Are they misunderstood heroes fighting the corrupt matriarchal system or a bunch of incels that are too proud and...

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Theyre mostly grown men who got divorce raped. Or men who have experienced women and their nature.

All the incels I know are permavirgins and desperately worship the pussy and cant get any

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Feminism is the jew psyop. Chasing pussy is "falling for the jew psyop"

Lol the vast majority go mgtow after the lambo seized its own engine and demanded another payment before you can drive it again.

This is after the lambo is fully paid.....

mgtow and feminism are two sides of the same shekel.

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No man is really an incel. Any one of us could take a trip to Thailand, find some old or fat woman. Sure you can move the goalposts and say that "sexpat/hooker/non-white/granny sex isn't the real thing" but you take my point.

What IS happening though is that women have successfully made it harder for normal guys to even approach women. First there was the raised ages of consent, this took the younger cuter girls off the table and at a stroke made the game a lot less rewarding to the fussiest and/or most competitive guys. Then there was the prostitution ban in many western countries, that made dating the only alternative to marriage. Next you had sexual harassment policies and laws that made directly propositioning women something that could cost you your job and/or freedom besides any social penalties. As for doing the right thing and getting married, now you have no-fault divorce, alimony and custody rules that benefit women, you're not entitled to sex in marriage anyway...

You take my point. Yeah sure Chad is still okay because women still approach him, but even that turns off a lot of guys especially the flirty types that actually enjoy the hunt. Even the Chaddest of Chads can expect rejection 1/20 times or so and rejection is becoming more and more dangerous all the time, and feeling like you have to wait for women to hit on you can take the fun out of it if you actually want to be dominant in your interactions with women. I didn't even get into the crazy disease risks now which are a problem for both men playing the field AND married men with cheating wives alike.

News flash: women have always been shit. Your father, his father and so on have put up with it since the beginning of time. Grow a pair of balls, deal with it and don't let your bloodline die because you're too much of a pussy to deal with women.

One demands society adapt to suit them, and the other just wants to abandon society.

They are polar opposites. I can see why you're worried enough to perpetuate some meme tho.

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Thing is, this attitude that men are obliged to put up with anything from women is a cause of women behaving so badly.

Only when men either defy the government or change the law and customs will it be possible to change womens' behavior in a way that benefits men.

Until men as a group do this, individual men continuing to play the game the way women want them to play it just enables and encourages them.

I KNOW RIGHT? WHAT ALL ALL THESE FAGS DOING. THEY MUST BE SECRETLY GAY. LOL. I MEAN LOOK AT PIC RELATED. SHES AN ARYAN QWEEN JUST WAITING TO GET IMPREGNATED. THESE BETA INCELS JUST NEED TO "RED PILL WOMEN WITH THEIR COCK". WHY CAN'T THEY DO THAT? ARE THEY FAGGOTS? YOU CAN JUST "FUCK THE CRAZY OUT OF THEM". THIS IS HOW A GROWN ADULT THINKS - NOT LIKE THESE MANCHILDREN WHO NEED TO GROW UP. NIGGERS HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA - "MUH DICK" IS THE SOLE PHILOSOPHY. PIC RELATED WILL MAKE A GREAT MUM AS ITS NOT ABOUT QUALITY, ITS JUST ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE WHITE. SHES WHITE, SO HAVE A KID WITH HER. IT'LL TURN OUT GREAT. ONLY A FAG WOULD NOT IMMEDIATELY JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO PROVIDE EVERY DEMAND FOR THIS LOVELY "WOMAN". MGTOWS JUST SELECT SHIT-TIER WOMEN. NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

NOW GET OUT THEIR AND SAVE THE WHITE RACE WITH LITERALLY ANYONE. THESE TAX SHEKELS ARENT GOING TO PAY THEMSELVES.

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Faggots. Go and live in Kansas.

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Kek
Bloodline is such a meme
Outside of ruling dynasties which mixed exclusively with eachother there are literally no bloodlines. Only a giant soup of random genes mixing randomly. And at least one of your male ancestors in your family was cucked and havent spread his genes. Just like in mine. And in everyone elses.

Both lead to the destruction of the family unit. Feminism strips women of their nurturing role in the family and mgtow strips men of their leadership role in the family. Two paths that lead to the same result.

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mgtow aka i became a mysoginist because no woman would look at me

I suspect that social instability is going to cause a lot of modern customs and beliefs around sex and the sexes to be drastically reasessed. You could argue it's already happening: for the first time, the ridiculousness of feminism is so blindingly obvious that even the most normie bluepills can't help but sit up and notice.

Nope. The vast majority of MGTOWs are incels, propped up by a handful of very vocal divorcees who are upset because their cocks are too small to please women, and their wife took her 50% and found someone who could fuck her properly.

You are a pathetic, pitiable group, but at least it's a good filtering system for genetic cul-de-sacs such as yourself

Pretty sure a recent study showed that the number of celibate people, particularly young people is increasing considerably every year.

This isn't an issue with individuals, but one with society as a whole. It may well be a natural human instinct to scorn and suspect the sexually inactive, but clearly something IS going on.

>mgtow strips men of their leadership role in the family
No, that would be government and welfare programmes

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News flash: our forefathers had women in their fucking places.
We should still be able to beat. They shouldnt vote, and a married women can never be "raped" by her husband.

Our ancestors fucked us you idiot

Just remember you're the captain xD

>deal with women.
This is socially unacceptable these days. This will get you ostracised from society, which is why MGTOWs are GTOWing - they dealt with women

>he can't keep his woman in line without violence, rape or restricting her ability to vote

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Making all physical chastisement of women illegal while women are free to nag and pester men to their heart's content has had very predictable consequences. One-sided disarmament.

Cause and effect, just like "racists". Before (((feminism))), MGTOW didn't exist, or if it did it was a very small group of people, therefore MGTOW is the effect, not the cause. Same with "racists", before hoards of shitskins started to teem in the "racists" were no more than people talking about jigaboos down the pub with their mates.
Leftists only semi-understand cause and effect, but in typical leftist fashion they still manage to get it arse about face.

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they're disgusting degenerate sons of coalburners

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Violence is not desirable, but it is the one advantage most men have over women when there is conflict between the two. You'll notice that women in particular work hard to stigmatize all violence even a mild slap or spanking, but when it comes to the ways women hurt men (gossip and plotting, belittling, nagging, etc.) men are expected to shrug or laugh it off as harmless and silly. That's not a coincidence.

Women will destroy everything, turn the west into the third word, then between the gang raping you might ask one "why did you do it" and invariably the answer would be:

"because it felt good"

They are consensus-driven sociopaths who obey mass media without question. Our fatal mistake was giving them any rights whatsoever.

>We should still be able to beat. They shouldnt vote, and a married women can never be "raped" by her husband

hmm wonder why this guy's a virgin who has to larp online about his 'voluntary decision' to never have physical contact with a woman

I'm married and have kids, but what always makes me reconsider things are these virility based attacks.

Was johnny depp not man enough to keep his marriage together? Was brad pitt's dick not big enough? Ben affleck wasn't alpha enough?

Just my two cents.

You are very naive if you think that women aren't attracted to any violent men, especially if said violent man is even more violent to other men than he is to her.

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It doesnt say "never marry and reproduce". It says "marry and reproduce"

It doesnt matter how good of a parent you are, your kids will be affected by (((their))) influence and thereby become good tax slaves

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When you allow others to manage and control your affairs, you signal your subservience to them.

That's why Napoleon snatched the crown from the Pope's hands when he made himself emperor. He believed (correctly) that being given his crown rather than taking it would be a gesture of submission.

Marriage is no different: when you get married in a church or in a government office, you are implicitly accepting that the relationship is government by one or both of those bodies.

Once you do accept that, you can't exactly complain when your relationship reflects the values of one or both of them, possibly to your detriment.

It's bad enough that we are all forced to obey laws we have no say in and no escape from: to voluntarily accept even more fetters is madness.

thats because tyrone keeps her happy when ur at work

I have never seen anyone use a good argument against mgtow.

it usually femalepets who use shaming tactics.

>Grow a pair of balls
Shaming tactics aren't very effective on these type of men. Just a heads up that you're wasting your time by trying it.

>deal with it
They are, by disengaging from women.

>don't let your bloodline die
Unless you're part of some dynasty your bloodline is irrelevant. Plus most have siblings that can carry on the family name or blood.

This guy gets it

Every single time we have this thread the MGTOWs make solid arguments and present their case well. Then on the other side it’s like an army of women, beta orbiters, and cucks spewing vitriol and not actually making any counter arguments.

7 out of 3? Damn, that's some fast fucking. Must be MinuteMen.

>Are they misunderstood heroes fighting the corrupt matriarchal system or a bunch of incels that are too proud and delusional to admit they're incels?
just men that have been burned badly by the system, trying to corrupt incels that going their own way is the way to go.

some of both but mostly the heroes even though they dont consider themselves heroes, cuz opting out of being used by this system is a way (and probably the best way) of fighting it.

the best way of fighting it, is not to op out but instead not wallowing in w/e the fuck happened that burned you, and push forward.
fucking do something with your life anything, and you will see how the type of women that burned you being seeing you as a man again, and then and show interest in you, and then you can tell them to fuck off, that's how you fight it not by running away.

>fucking do something with your life anything, and you will see how the type of women that burned you beigng seeing you as a man again, and start to show interest in you, and then you can tell them to fuck off, that's how you fight it not by running away, or clinging to w/e the fuck happened like some cuck.

Shaming tactics is basically all they have. Can't argue that marriage is good for men, which is why no one tries; they instead argue that men getting married is vital to society and it's their duty no matter how bad the institution becomes. They also know how dangerous unrestrained women are in general, which is why the first thing out of their mouth whenever you make a negative generalization about women is NAWALT.

The good news is these shaming tactics are ineffective, which must piss them off.

i dunno it sounds a lot like feminism
blaming everything on one gender
as if corruption doesnt affect people of both genders
why men going their own way and not individuals going their own way?
why cant a woman go her own way?
why are women the only corruption in the world according to mgtow?
mgtow is male feminism

>The good news is these shaming tactics are ineffective, which must piss them off.
>Every single time we have this thread the MGTOWs make solid arguments and present their case well.
exactly

my cousin is now going to get buttfucked in a divorce. Never

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mgtow is totally b-baste, right guys?

can a woman be a mgtow?

Homo Movement created by Andrew Anglin.

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of course not.

women are gregary creatures. They only care is what others think of them and nobody sees their true self, because they know it is shameful.

and also, it is Men Going Their Own Way

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exactly. mgtow is male feminism, like i said

Does MGTOW ask women to give men special privileges?

thank you Dong

women can not be mgtow. mgtow is blaming women for the problems caused by modern society
just like how feminism blames men for the problems caused by modern society
watch this video , he says "the opposite of something bad is not always good". hes right

You didn't answer my question. Does MGTOW ask women to give men special privileges, yes or no?

the problem is ((they)) have put us in a terrible enviroment when women are nothing men should chase.

Women have allways been the same brainless shit, but they where kept in check and were nicer.

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Good on you. My grandfather got to his 90's while smoking his whole life, but i still wouldn't inject my children with tar... Oh wait, i don't have any children because women are trash.

Don't talk to women, don't look at women, and don't help women. They have been spreading their cooties to men for long enough.

your question is irrelevant
and men are nothing women should chase
corruption doesnt discriminate by gender

Answer me. Does MGTOW ask women to give men special privileges? It's "irrelevant" to you, so why can't you answer? Just one word. Yes, or no?

>Oh wait, i don't have any children because women are trash
mgtow in a nutshell
the problem is not women, it is society

>mgtow is male feminism
Whenever someone claims this it shows they don't know what they're talking about, because a quick examination of both will show that MGTOW - a reactionary and apolitical philosophy - is not comparable to feminism.

mgtow is male feminism, as evidenced by mgtows blaming women for every moral problem on the planet, rather than the true source (((government)))

MGTOW =/= incel

Incels are social outcasts who can't get pussy and are seething over the fact. MGTOW are men who can get pussy, however, they refuse to do the social norms by getting a wife, settling down, and have girlfriends because they don't like the climate involved in doing so.

I understand the rage of incels and understand the reasoning of MGTOW, but I love being married. Of course I was well over 30 when I got married and if I didn't meet someone who was very traditional and compatible with me I wouldn't have done so. Up until I met her I was pretty much MGTOW. Shun sluts and don't cast the net. I had been burned by crazy too many time to risk touching the fire personally. My wife came to me instead of me going to her.

They are incels who don't want to admit their lack of social graces is why they can't get laid. Plenty of guys never get married but still manage to get their dick wet regularly and be in dating relationships with women their entire lives.

>Under communism we could drastically reduce what we consume
Yup, by eating less. Want to consume less, you fucking communist? Kill yourself. I've lived in the third world and I'm not going back to poverty just so you pinkos feel good about yourself, and I'll go down dying if I have too. You communists are less than niggers.

mgtow and feminism are equally as twisted and degenerate as each other
the opposite of bad is not always good. this is because it is impossible to be 100% pure bad. all twisted and corrupt ideologies have some amount of good in them. mgtow, the opposite of feminism, is bad because it rejects the good aspects of feminism

>Porn is made by the Jews
>The court system if ran by the jews
>The government is controlled by the Jews
>College is controlled by the Jews
>Women are the Jews of the sexes
>But if you don't marry a woman and get fucked over in court you are falling for the Jews tricks

Fucking Jow Forums, man.

Find the roastie.
If you are a man, please look for more info, it could save your life.

If you are a married man and already fucked, learning about female nature will help anyway.

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>mgtow and feminism are equally as twisted and degenerate as each other
I fail to see how. Care to elaborate, or will you continue not backing up your argument? It's rhetorical, because I know you won't.

>the good aspects of feminism
What are these good aspects. Please humor me.

Why can't you answer my question user? It's not hard, it's a yes-or-no question. So, which one is it?

>I've lived in the third world

Papers, faggot.

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>MGTOW is male feminism

No, that is MRA, however, the MRA guys have a valid point about their bitching and feminists don't.

kek

>please look for more info
literally begging me to brainwash myself into joining his degenerate ideology
feminism identifies one problem with modern society. toxic masculinity. the majority of men do not know how to be men or what masculinity is. in fact i would say that the cause of our corrupt modern society is twisted and confused men perpetuating their degeneration via government
because your question is irrelevant, i dont even know what your question is because it is not important

feminists do have valid points

women have societal control at this moment in history because our entire school system is structured around the fallacy that male teachers are rapists or pedophiles. most women grow up either not learning about or more commonly not giving a fuck about men as equals, learning about the world entirely through the perspectives of post-wall women or disney cartoons/other women.

most women develop a princess/queen complex and need everything handed to them whilst men are judged, given less opportunities, offered less support, are not treated equally and far, far more likely to fall off the rails.

The male homelessness and suicide statistics are at crisis levels, and yet women are not "equal", women are "discriminated against" women are the "victims" when thousands of men are choosing to take their own lives.

why is this? well, it's much easier to get hired when your a woman, as stated; you receive far more support as a woman. you are judged far less as a woman. personal image/requiring personality/requiring talents isn't really an issue for women.

even the ugliest stupidest woman is still desirable, the ugliest stupidest man will die alone.

they aren't incels. they don't hate women, mgtow just don't want to be around women, or associated with women, or want to do anything for a woman. now, blatantly within any employment structure where this is required or equally given they will serve as required - but to go over and above for a woman, to make exceptions for a woman, to make the lives of women even easier is entirely off the table.

mgtow basically just detach themselves entirely from the pursuit of women often then entirely focusing around fixing their own problems and personal issues so they don't become a statistic.

the people likely to become mgtow? people that have had a deep injustice happen to them, or perceived injustice that goes beyond something as shallow as a woman rejecting their advances.

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what is that pic from? i have seen something like that in a dream once

It's just from dark souls mate.

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Okay, in your view it's irrelevant, so you should have no problem answering it, right? Does MGTOW, the ideology you are talking about, ask for men as a group to be given special privileges? Yes, or no?

>Does MGTOW, the ideology you are talking about, ask for men as a group to be given special privileges?
irrelevant
mgtow is male feminism because mgtow blames women for all of societies' issues rather than the real source
same as what feminism does to men

So far I've asked you the same question 5 times. You have not answered even once.
It's not a difficult question, all you have to do is answer yes or no.
I'll be happy to debate you, just answer the question user.
Why can't you answer a simple question?

>asking the same question 5 times and expecting to get a different answer

he's right, you know.

mgtow essentially is male feminism. mgtow is literally built on the idea that women are to blame for many of the problems men currently face.

Although this be true in some regards (even more-so than feminism is) doesn't change the fact that it is entirely discarded men scorning women.

...just like feminism is entirely discarded females scorning all men.

Your issues are your own, the realization is NOT that "women are a problem WE need to fix"

the true realization is: "women caused so many of our problems, but it's our job to fix the things we can fix and leave women to their fate without us"