How do we get rid of Identitarianism? identitarians really limit themselves to something as arbitrary Nationalism, gender race whatever. why be proud of something you had absolutely nothing to do with? You could argue that People who hold some sort of common identity hold stronger bonds with one another, however, this significantly limits the will of the individual, sometimes resulting in Punishment from the collective for having different opinions or thoughts for ideas that run counter to the collective thought, however you have the individual who somehow separates themselves from the herd, and begins to voice their opinion and then ironically then creates their own identitarian collective. This seems to be a constant circulating issue.
How do we get rid of Identitarianism? identitarians really limit themselves to something as arbitrary Nationalism...
Adam Edwards
Jayden Rivera
Literally impossible. It's human nature to create an "other guy" to hate.
Evan Jackson
I'm not saying you could get rid of the "other guy", Just break up the collectivist dictatorship let individuals form individually their own opinions, federating for a common goal while respecting individuality.
Nathaniel Martin
Individuals, without collective identity, will be defeated by those who do have collective identity.
To change the world, you need to have the majority of power.
Jeremiah Jackson
It's Important that these affinity groups don't attempt to control their members or attempt to become the top collective which just leads to yet another dictatorship.
Brayden Harris
That's not true, it only takes one individual in a collective to knock the whole thing over.
Aiden Clark
Nope, because part of hating the other guy revolves around creating a group of people to hate the other guy with. At that point, you have to agree with the group, you don't want to be one of the other guys do you?
Even if you had a nation of genetically and politically identical people, Clone Batch 12256 would hate Clone Batch 12257, and form an identity around even numbers being better than odd ones, and punishing members who acted "odd"
Andrew Reyes
Not if you maintain individuality, and target collectivism/identitarianism.
Carson Sullivan
And how do you plan to do that?
>Sorry sir, you are not allowed to have Casablanca as your favorite movie. Someone else already picked that, and we can't have you forming groups based on preference.
Thomas Cook
You're a fucking retarded average american reader if you think Nietzsche is against nationalism as a whole just because he gives a few points against it, or certain things to guard ourselves from.
Life is adversity and sometime to thrive more it requires a group.
At some point Nietzsche says of people like you (in essence) : and these faggots, if only they understood how without a state they would be nothing.
kys
Blake White
Expected >Anti-SJW Libertarian>
Julian Cooper
Why should we do that? I like someone pissing Antifas off on a daily basis, let'em do their will
Asher Cook
>having a preference is forming groups based on preference
I bet next you'll say Germans are Chinese because they both eat meat. Just because you have a preference doesn't mean you have to interact with people who have a similar preference.
>how do you plan to do that?
The trivial implementation is to avoid interacting with people, except when required. Anything beyond that is succumbing to your social desires.
Jackson Rogers
idk man I just want a world where I'd don't have to constantly forgive and excuse blacks for behaving like wild animals
Parker Nelson
Nice try leaf, It's like you haven't even read any of his work, he thought nationalism was arbitrary, also You know Nietzche was against the state right? he hated the leftist anarchists of his time, however, he hated them because of their collectivism. Nietzche whole philosophy was rebelling against the herd, and even I mention that federations should be used to overthrow the collective dictatorship.
ya got me nigger.
I don't like them either, their sheep, just like you there's not much difference in my eyes between you and antifa.
Connor Murphy
My only issue with "identitarianism" is that it is a narcissistic and vain ideology.
Basing an ideology off of race or heritage is too shallow, it sounds cringy. BLM-tier shit.
An ideology or political movement should be based around a higher idea, and race/heritage should only be one part of that
David Lewis
>The trivial implementation is to avoid interacting with people, except when required. Anything beyond that is succumbing to your social desires.
Okay Autismo.
You can start by getting off this site.
Luke Russell
We lost freedom of association in 1964. Your premise is flawed.
Blake Adams
Of course people have common interests, that's why I said earlier I have no issue with people federating for a common goal, however, your existence doesn't entirely revolve around your race or in the hypothetical "Casablanca".
I don't want to stop anyone from doing anything, I just want to stop the constant cycle of master and slave values. stopping from someone from associating with others is an authoritarian master value.
we never had it, this shift between master and slave values goes back to before recorded history.
Isaiah Thompson
If non-whites were capable of upholding traditional Western culture then identitarians would be few and far between. But when people only find that the only people who have matching beliefs also have matching skin color then it's only natural for people to group themselves off.
Brandon Williams
all countries would be better if everyone just stayed to themselves, only getting involved when they absolutely need to.
Oliver Richardson
It's sad to think that humans might become a mutt race that will be slaves to corporate entities. Just take a look at day to day life and watch how many people are glued and hypnotized by their phones.
Tyler Hughes
> It's sad to think that humans might become a mutt race that will be slaves to corporate entities. Just take a look at day to day life and watch how many people are glued and hypnotized by their phones.
For the most part, I'd agree however your issue of a 'mutt race' People tend to be inclined to mate with their own race, so if your concerned about whites disappearing, don't the rich and powerful need more worker bees, they'll just start another world war and as a result they'll create more worker bees as troops return, not to mention the profit they made from funding both sides of the war as well as the military-industrial complex.
Jayden Mitchell
identity, tradition, history and heritage are commodities.
Benjamin Evans
The problem with individualism is that it leaves the groups you are associated with (even if you deny the association) vulnerable to other groups who wish to use their collective force against you.
If I am on a football team and a majority of the players on my team wish to play only as individuals and ignore the concept of teams all together while the other team does not, it is likely that your team will lose. You have to ask yourself if abstract values are more important than outcomes. Collectivism is why the left has been kicking the rights ass for decades now. Working as a team encourages competition amongst groups which leads to innovation.
Daniel Foster
Your reffering to affinity groups as identitarian ones, they're not they have a common goal or interest but that subject does not encapsulate the entirety of their Individuality, unlike Antifa, BLM the "alt-right" etc...
Kayden Ortiz
> Collectivism is why the left has been kicking the rights ass for decades now. Working as a team encourages competition amongst groups which leads to innovation.
Both the right and left have historically used collectivism, the right's contribution being capitalism and the left being things such as communism and fascism.
Jason Morgan
when it comes down to it, there isn't much difference between the left and right I'd go so far to say that these two positions are the same, and they really just use semantics and talking around to distinguish themselves from one another for communists its capitalists for fascists its jews.
Hudson Long
You're living in a fantasy world, but your syntax indicates that you're pretty new here. Just lurk a bit more and you'll understand that there's no getting rid of it. Instead of trying to best human nature by sheer force, build a society that recognizes these parts of our nature. You have all summer to lurk so good luck and remember, you're here forever.
Christopher Roberts
Austin Wilson
I've been here a while my, don't tell me to lurk more you nigger cunt, this isn't human nature its humans being enslaved by another class.
Lincoln Lewis
> uses the summerfag meme.
> unironically a fascist.
Look at this fuckin guy, I'm pretty sure your either a jew or a newfag.
Ryan Lopez
When more people become brown, it leaves that many fewer potential partners of your own race. Elites will have greater control of a group with no individuality or diversity of thought. Once everyone becomes a mouthbreathing slave that can't function until Google guides their next step, there will be no one to speak out against it.
Ryan James
how do you break up a collective as an individual? gonna fight em 50 to 1? you people live in a fantasy
Benjamin Rogers
Drop race out of the situation, it is an arbitrary element in the situation considering it is the entirety of humanity that is subject to the "herd" as well as the Banking oligarchy's power. If we were allowed individuality the issue of people in masse becoming "brown" wouldn't be an issue considering the master value of multiculturalism is being pushed if all were individuals the majority of people would mate with their own race.
Grayson Jackson
Because thats how humanity has developed over ten thousands years. Fucking retard.
Noah Harris
Only because way back when one tribe tried stealing shit from another, this situation wouldn't be an issue if the idea of Tribes were exhausted.
Nicholas Bennett
Race and ideology pretty much go hand in hand though. I don't really see how individuality would prevent racemixing. I feel it promotes it actually. People who identify with a group are more likely to stay within that group whether it be with choosing friends or a partner.
Jeremiah Thompson
>why be proud of something you had absolutely nothing to do with
Because it has everything to do with you, no choice needed. It's natural, you have to go out of your way to reject it.
Caleb Brown
1. Identify all individuals with IQ below 120
2. Kill them all
Brody Davis
it's because of the idea of race mixing is championed by the current people who hold the position of "master values", you don't normally see in nature "blackbirds and whit birds mixing."
You are more than your race, you are more then your gender and you are more then really anything, only you can successfully identify yourself, even remotely it's not natural, its peer pressure, its coercion.
Logan Gray
Posts twice replying to two posts instead of replying in a single post..... fucking newfags.
Wyatt Baker
My bad, I'm kinda Bizzy switching between this and my IDE.
Bentley Powell
If people stuck with their own groups no one would buy into these new "master values". I believe that people can be entirely individualistic while still belonging to a group. Working for something that's greater than yourself is what builds flourishing civilizations.
Elijah Turner
>only you can successfully identify yourself
except that's not how life works, other people identify you whether you want them to or not, and they're going to use your appearance
Lucas Cook
It's ok, we were all new once. You will grow out of this lolbertarian stage of individualism worship. You are here forever btw.
Jordan Clark
>you are more then your gender and you are more then really anything, only you can successfully identify yourself, even remotely it's not natural, its peer pressure, its coercion.
Are you suggesting that your gender is a choice? Race, the genetic predetermined markers that define your limits, appearance,temperament, etc is a choice? See how much dodging of the obvious facts you have to commit to before you can deny the reality? And why you continue to do so I have no idea.
Blake Myers
Yeah, of course, they will but that should have no bearing on the individual, collectives lead to the isolation of those who don't support or disagree with the collective, this thread, for example, I'm told I'm a newfag regardless of my seniority on this site because my value system is different I am ridiculed by the herd, ill keep posting no matter what they call me because I don't care.
No, I'm saying that regardless of things such as gender, which is not a choice, neither is race that as individuals regardless of these things we can push past our limits.
Ayden Gray
OP, I was dead serious earlier. Your classical liberal utopia has one key prerequisite: a high-IQ population. See any governments that protect individual rights in Africa? There's a reason for that.
Hong Kong's average IQ is 108. Maybe if you only genocide all the people with IQ below 110 you might be fine. Increase threshold to 120 if desired results not achieved.
Andrew Brown
Let's be honest with ourselves, if you were interested solely in pushing past your limits you wouldn't be squandering precious time on Jow Forums of all places. I'm here precisely to squander time right now, so unless you're in the same boat. The thing is, most people even given a "perfect" environment will still squander their potential with all that aside. They will degrade the environment around them. It's a sign of both good breeding and upbringing that someone counters that trend to any great effect. And really, just because someone can't be pigeonholed into a specific exact role with parameters for every characteristic life(and really, there's no reason any given person can't be measured) there's still no reason to deny the fact that massive groups of people are closer to each other in terms of not only "choice" traits like culture but things like temperament and behaviour.
Logan Nelson
> Your classical liberal utopia has one key prerequisite: a high-IQ population.
zozzle, I'm not a classical liberal by any stretch of the imagination, also I don't believe in government it kinda goes hand in hand with the opposition to collectivism if people are stupid that's their problem. I am a self-admitted non-left libertarian socialist, I follow Proudhon, Proudhon's system of mutualism has no master or slave, its individuals working in mutual aid, trading however they choose so long as it's without hierarchy.
Your time is what you do with it, I'm not only on here but I'm writing a c++ program and a book on this subject.
Grayson Brooks
honestly just provide a comfier environment, people only care about identity when things look rough around them and they get the instinct to gang up
e.g. western muslims mostly drink acohol and have casual sex since they have no real problems that need a community to have their back while muslims living in shitholes take their religion very seriously since they need their tribe to survive
James Lopez
> image.
Carter Harris
>non-left socialist anarchist
When I said kill everyone with an IQ below 110, that includes you
Grayson Jones
> doesn't know what any of that is so it must be degenerate.
> wants to look cool in front of other Jow Forums niggers.
Jace Kelly
kill ur self kike
anyone else who isn't sageing this should seriously fuck off too
Cameron Sanders
My bad
Eli Johnson
> Jew posting jew meme to hide his jewishness.
Hey shylochk how the fuck u doing?
Jackson Allen
all good lil' dood
Zachary Phillips
Dont Turn Jow Forums into /b/.
Michael Clark
Ryder Torres
>it only takes one individual in a collective to knock the whole thing over
hahahahhahaha
yeah ok bud, come back when you've crashed the deep state alright?