>Baptized as a Catholic as a babby >Grew more and more agnostic as I got older. >Went through a period of investigating various faiths, but not ever really happy with any of them.
My main issues with Catholicism is actually believing in the divinity of Christ, and the view I have of it being unmasculine as fuck now, despite it's very masculine past with the defense of Europe.
A lot of my close make friends are Catholics, are into right-wing politics, guns, hating boons, etc. I feel sort of left out because I don't have that ritual link with them.
I posted this on Jow Forums b/c of the large amounts of Christians on here.
Aiden Smith
I hate Catholicism. Jesus was clear about organized religion.
Ryan Young
this is not a religious board and you are not going to convince me you aren't a shill spammer because of the shear amount of times this has been posted here. fuck Christianity and fuck all Jewish based religions
Jeremiah Moore
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Ayden Ramirez
1 Timothy 4:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Your answer is in the scripture. Jesus warned of the inevitable (((Catholic Church)))
Zachary Cox
Dogma doesn't matter. What matters is how a religion helps the people. By their fruit..., Op.
Alexander Morris
Yet God explained how bad the Jews were. Read the King James Bible and stop being a brainlet pol tard.
Jack Green
>King James Version (KJV) Had a nun slap that shit out of me and burn that heresy. Not really relevant to a Catholic discussion
Josiah Ortiz
King James is the Best transcription of God words. I am not surprised this happen.
Cameron Bennett
Not literally reading ancient Latin and Greek. You are such cucks
Elijah Cruz
>Having an issue with the divinity of Christ What are you, an Arian?
That’s not relevant. This is why Catholicism will take more people to hell than Islam and Judaism combined.
Henry Young
t. brainlet
Noah Johnson
Dude, what is seriously stopping us from being an anti-Pope? If you were ever registered as a Catholic just go for it. Otherwise who cares, I mean you know why religion is good, you know its health and family benefits, you don't want to bow on the ground 5 times a day and have the entire planet wear burkas. What can I tell you? Take on The Pope.
Leo Sullivan
My views on Catholicism have softened over the years. Also my own Church is having trouble with SJWs so I envy the fact that you just have Francis and not Archbishop Welby and his army of cuckolds.
About the divinity of Christ, you really just need to open your eyes. It is written that you will know them by their fruits, and Christians have done a lot more for the world than any other competing faith tradition. I can't believe that that is just an accident like some retarded secularist.
You're the one telling people to read a translation that literally uses words in ways we don't anymore.
Thomas Reed
Almost no catholics are saved and almost all will burn in hell.
Juan Allen
>so I envy the fact that you just have Francis and not Archbishop Welby and his army of cuckolds. It's really worth stating that Francis' problem is not fully understanding elements of what's going on, rather than just actively pushing for SJW shit.
Christian Myers
It’s called get a better education brainlet. King James is the best bible.
Josiah Brown
>accepting religious instruction from a woman Absolutely unbiblical
James Johnson
No argument lol. Catholicism is the reason why the west is a joke. Just look at what I did to America. Thanks jfk for that open border!
Colton Reed
Which you know most people don't have. Translations are made for the people, not people for the translations.
Ryan Flores
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Blake Roberts
>Thanks jfk for that open border! We literally do not have an open border.
Gavin Gonzalez
That why Catholics are dumb. Meet an average catholic. Most of tntm vote blindly for the democrats without even understanding why they do so. You just kinda proved my point.
Owen King
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Catholicism is a false, Satanic religion and has absolutely nothing to do with Christ. It is a disgusting, idolatrous and putrid religion that will be thrown into the lake with everything else. You are worshiping Lucifer. Get out of it for the sake of your life.
Connor Torres
JFK said on national television that his faith had no affect on his politics
Oliver Flores
Right now I wouldn't recommend it anymore. Medieval Christianity has faded awaay, with all its values of pride, honour and might. The once founder of European identity against Islam is now nothing but a sect for cucks and leftists. Take the (anti)Pope as an example to see what the Church has become.
Orthodsox Church is still safe in case you want to join it.
Ethan Rodriguez
Are you serious? Jfk/lbj is the reason why our immigration changed.
Mason Flores
>no politician has never lied before
Brody Sullivan
Virtually ever KJV poster I've seen on Jow Forums has retarded understandings of various bible passages because of the fact that the KJV literally uses words to mean things that they no longer mean.
Open border means no regulation on immigration you dipshit.
Alexander Brooks
This, however I'm staying with it because the Church has survived worse Pope and it isn't just a fad for me to switch when things get cucked like right now desu the amount of Catholics that seem to become Pagans, Atheists, or even Communists does hurt me on a spiritual level though.
Connor Campbell
>go through RCIA to see if I want to be a catholic >they say KJV say it's not church canon but still okay to read
wew lad
Lincoln Peterson
Of all the things which will take people to hell, pride and an unyielding spirit are foremost. KJVism is just an idolatrous religion unto itself.
Xavier Gonzalez
Well said, savedbros >2 Thess. 2:3-4 >Romans 10:9 >Rev. 18:4
Just become Serbian Orthodox my dude, its so fucking piff.
Owen Rodriguez
Are you new to Jow Forums? That is when America stopped being white.
Yea because people are not educated. Denying thr kjb is literally proving you are stupid and you attended public school.
Jaxson Reyes
What is your issue with the divinity of Christ? What's your position on Christ, anyway? How is your masculinity issue just your issues with its most notable leadership? It seems clear to me that the expression of doctrine is what you make of it.
My issue is, I don't "feel" his divinity. Like, spiritually. It's not something I internally understand, and thus have a hard time putting faith in it.
Jason Bell
Do you speak portuguese?
Jaxon Young
>Being an ethnonationalist and a Christian at the same time
>Yea because people are not educated. That's not what the issue is, and it wouldn't change anything. You're literally saying that the best version of the bible is one most people won't understand properly.
>Denying thr kjb is literally proving you are stupid and you attended public school. Attending the best school in the country doesn't change the fact that THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE LITERALLY DOES NOT WORK THE SAME WAY ANYMORE. It's not just that it uses older words for some things. It uses words WE STILL USE, but in ways WE DON'T USE THEM ANYMORE. It's not that people will have no clue what they're reading, it's that they'll think it means something other than it does. That is not an education problem, that is a translation problem.
Aaron Stewart
>>reading what God actually said >Implying He was speaking English Stop being a fucking retard.
Angel Gray
You are loved Brother, but the Catholic Church does not give the full and restored Truth of the gospel.
If you have any questions about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I would be happy to answer them.
I can’t believe someone is this stupid. By your logic you are fine with letting low IQ people doing technical jobs. I mean no low IQ person could ever do these jobs so let’s just lower the standards.
That’s why it was transcribed you brainlet. Everyone who actually has studied the Bible acknowledges that the King James is the best transcription.
Austin Cook
Why not just be Calvinist?
Mason Edwards
Why do you guys like white buildings
Adrian Phillips
You said it: the former Pope.
Just see the Church now: most Catholic people I know are leftists and/or pro-immigration. Some of them are even favorable towards gays and Islam.
Admit it, the Church of Rome has fallen. Unless there's a Pope like Benedict XVI or John Paul II again, I don't see much use in keeping such an institution.
Have you read the Camp of Saints, by Jean Raspail? Well, Raspail is a traditional French Catholic, but even he could see what the Church's ideology was leaning to back in the 70s, so in his novel one of the defenders of the arrival of the coloured (Indians, niggers, etc.) immigrants to Europe is actually the Pope. A leftist South American pope. Does it ring a bell?
Also, look at pic related. That's the current state of the Church in a nutsell: white guilt, humilliation, degeneration.
Mormon architecture is a modern take on classical cathedral art. Their use of white ad pristine geometric shapes it meant to express the purity of the message.
Dominic Wood
By the way, I'm baptised and consider myself a traditional Catholic. But the sad state of the Church right now really pisses me off. It only promotes weakness to white people, like a cancer. Refugees Welcome is one of its slogans, actually.
Leo Ross
mormons aren't even christian.
The RCC, has the history, the intellectuals, and the great men who were part of it.
Read the verse I quoted earlier in this thread. Jesus said this would happen. Also as a former catholic I agree.
Hudson Baker
>My main issues with Catholicism is actually believing in the divinity of Christ How else could it be that the christ image is embedded in our psyche and that Jesus Christ walked among us?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Ethan White
Yup, the jews run Catholicism. The Jews killed Jesus.
God was right about the Jews, they are a stiff neck people.
Angel Bailey
What do you mean divinity? That he isn't the Son and thus part of God? That he is merely a man? Do you feel the same about the other parts of the Trinity? How would you have it be more masculine? Sin and kill those who we deem have threatened us? Where have they challenged God in such a way that we would need to return back to the old days?
Easton Sullivan
>By your logic you are fine with letting low IQ people doing technical jobs. No you retard, not at all.
>I mean no low IQ person could ever do these jobs so let’s just lower the standards. Not only does this have absolutely fuckall to do with IQ, but Christianity is for ALL people, not just people with high IQ, or who happen to know how to properly interpret a version of English that's been outdated for CENTURIES.
>That’s why it was transcribed you brainlet. You mean translated. Transcribe means to write something down.
>Everyone who actually has studied the Bible acknowledges that the King James is the best transcription. That's not true in the slightest, and there's no sensible metric by which it could be true.
>Admit it, the Church of Rome has fallen. the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Juan James
>what are homophones? >5,000+ different words (KJV) are harder to learn than 20,000+ different words (Papist counterfeits) >you need to learn Latin (ie, Hebrew) and Greek to understand the Bible because English is too hard to learn No wonder you idolatrous retards bow down and worship statues.
>don't trust God's word to save you. Trust me and my appeal to random books I read. You're likely on your way to Hell, you ecumenical Pharisee. >Acts 5:29
Spanish Catholicism used to be very conservative and even "reactionary", so being a Catholic here was a sign of being a monarchist, traditionalist, anti-LGBT, defender of national borders, etc. But in the last decade, things have changed quite a lot.
The same religion that allowed us to define our national identity fighting Islam during the Reconquista has now become a fifth column; a subversive force that is destroying Europe from within, by making us weaker, more "tolerant" and favorable towards degeneration and foreigners.
David Miller
As in I feel no real "love" when I pray to him. I haven't ever, really, even when I was going to mass often.
Jack Edwards
>Your answer is in the scripture. >Uses King James 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2 King James Version (KJV)
Camden Jackson
>specifically edited version to make catholic church look bad Fucking idiot.
Thomas Long
The truth is that the Trinity isn't even mentioned in God's word, the Holy Bible.(5) A check of any concordance will prove this fact. Not only is it not mentioned, but the doctrine is neither found in the New Testament,(6) nor the Old Testament.(7) Concerning Old Testament scriptures, "theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity, even though it was customary in past dogmatic tracts .... to cite texts like Genesis 1:26 .... as proof of plurality in God."(8) And "... in the New Testament the doctrine of the Trinity is not enunciated ..." but only "deduced from a collocation of passages ...."(9)
The Trinity, therefore, did not " ... reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God, it was, on the contrary, a divination from this teaching."(10)
"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established ... into Christian life ... prior to the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there has been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."(11)
Sola Scriptura isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible either, numbnuts. The vast majority of Christians are Trinitarians, you are not going to get any mileage with that shit.
Adrian Williams
>9780300166286 The church has survived for 2000 yrs, through both good and BAD times, and it will again, but what were seeing now will probably be it's hardest fall it's ever seen.
And I agree with you, the church is idiotic for supporting the islamic/african refugee agenda, it will ultimately lead to their destruction. Why else would you allow millions on military aged arabic men into europe for??? remember when the turkish president threatened europe with further invasion? the ottomans never conquered Rome.
The church is in a crisis, but the remnant of trad-caths are still around, you found one here :)
Angel Wilson
>the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I would like to believe it as I used to do. Sincerely. But seeing how the Church has made everyone become cucks, now I'm rather sceptical.
>but Christianity is for ALL people, not just people with high IQ Christianity is certainly universal by essence, but historically it has been the religion of Europe. Christendom, as we used to call our continent.
Everything was still fine while the Church was considered a "European" institution, but now that there are even niggers in it, the very core of it has been tarnished. It's not a religion that defends Europe anymore, but a sinister multicultural sect.
Ryan Campbell
I only speak the truth.
Charles Stewart
I'm sorry, but you probably weren't even baptized. Did you "straightway coming up out of the water", or were you sprinkled?
Your main point is to dumb down the curriculum. You are the problem
John Adams
>but what were seeing now will probably be it's hardest fall it's ever seen. I disagree completely. In terms of moral crisis, the Borgia era was far worse.
> Why else would you allow millions on military aged arabic men into europe for??? As I said, the Pope is not fully aware of what's going on. He's applying social teaching to his understanding of what's happening.
Kevin Jackson
>mormons aren't even christian. Jesus Christ is the center of our religious life, without his atonement, we would never be with our Father in heaven.
Your love is not a prerequisite for Christ's divinity.
>the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The church = the elect. It is the elect that shall not be prevailed against by the gates of Hell. Simple perseverance of the saints. How you confuse this with an organization is baffling.
Carter Lewis
he doesn't feel God through Christ, when he sees a pic of Jesus, he sees another dude with long hair and a beard...he doesn't feel inside of him that Christ is part of the holy trinity
Luke Cox
Imagine being this brainwashed
Robert Taylor
As a Catholic I can say this, research on your own and don’t take Jow Forums opinion if you want a serious answer. Your faith is for you to decide and you should put effort into looking up what church is best for you. Honestly I’d reccomend Catholicism but it’s not the best church for everyone. Find what works best for you as long as it’s christian.
Also, you faggots saying that Catholics are going to hell are retarded. If that’s true, then all Christians up until the schism between the east and west (minus the Ethiopian and oriental Orthodox Church) would have gone to hell. Us christians need to stop fighting each other and unite against the Jewish and Muslim menace. It’s almost like (((they))) want christians to fight each other and kill ourselves like he Sunni and Shi’a do to each other which is why many Arab states are complete shit
It's really reassuring to see you also consider yourself a traditional Catholic. We are becoming a minority though, and the very Church we used to believe in has turned its back on us.
But yes, as you said, Christendom had to face many things, so perhaps we may put an end to this degeneracy in the future.
Glad to meet you, trad-cath fellow.
Sprinkled, like all baptism ceremonies in Spain.
Dylan Gomez
Mormons are false prophets and devils. If you have the cajones to think for yourself and compare spirtual things with spiritual, you will watch these
13He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Jordan Sanchez
The first paragraph is certainly the truth. However, the conclusion drawn from it is completely erroneous. In addition, what I said, that Sola Scriptura is itself not in the Bible, is also truth.
>dumb down It literally doesn't work that way, you fucking autist. These things are, at this point, translation errors. You are literally arguing that we should use a version of the Bible that will mislead people.
Christopher Garcia
That's actually 100% accurate on my end.
Grayson Russell
>The church = the elect. Fuck off, Calvinfag.
Christopher Robinson
I know the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople confirmed that doctrine and it was during the time of Arius and his heresy. There are very few modern sects that hold that doctrine and don't go even more crazy with other scriptures. There were other sources and influences for those fathers of the church though.
Do you feel connectivity with God at all?
Jaxon Martin
Please watch that video brother. The Baptism method itself isn't a big deal IMO, but it indicates how subverted the institution performing it is. Jesus Christ was in the heart of the earth, and with Baptism we are to be buried as well.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
If you want find the masculinity in Catholicism tehn study the work of exorcists and realize how big the balls of Catholics are to confront the devil himself
That verse says don't add or remove anything from the Bible. When the King James was written they removed scripture passages. Maccabees for instance. How can your Bible be correct if during the creation of it they literally violated stricture to write it?
Aaron Gomez
No I can't say I do. I understand God in an abstract way, but not a personal one.
Luke Sanchez
>Protestants trying to use an early Church Father to justify Protestantism Wew
Dominic Watson
I like the fact you mormons have lost of big white senpaitachi.....but you don't believe in the trinity , THUS YOU aren't christian.
The Credo is the CENTER OF CHRISTIAN beliefs, which is why as a catholic, I consider orthodox, and even lutherans, more closer to me than a mormon.
