There is not a single good argument AGAINST UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME

no argument? what about 20-30 year olds still living with their parents, what happens if you give them $1000 a month? they;ll just spend it on more vidya and prolong going into the workforce

>UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME
it's just a ploy by the rich to keep you quiet so they can keep on ruling.
you're basically a slave if you accept UBI.

modern service economy is basically gibsdemdats
so nations that actually evaluate their currency and material stocks will claim "developed capitalists" are basically lieing international robbers
if we actually started issuing billions of notes to everyone cause they're alive than that problem would be 100 fold worse

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Well nobody is against that.

Ubi is not traditional welfare, welfare is what we have now.

But is highly inefficient.

1) at least half of the money is spent on 'bureocracy'
2) It penalises leaving welfare, if you leave welfare you get a +100% relative increase of taxes
3) welfare didn't solve poverty, it's inefficient.

Economic migrants have nothing to do with ubi, you may refer to 'reclaim' call, well is as simply as strong border defense.. take the 'boats' and gently scolt them to their origin country.

and also help that countries.. no matter what it's the only solution to save europe.

Yes its called the conservation of mass aka noney doesnt grow on trees

Inflation maybe? If every retard gets a free 1000$ corporations might start increasing prices.

>Ubi is not traditional welfare, welfare is what we have now.
>
>But is highly inefficient.
>
>1) at least half of the money is spent on 'bureocracy'
>2) It penalises leaving welfare, if you leave welfare you get a +100% relative increase of taxes
>3) welfare didn't solve poverty, it's inefficient.
you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs. try again, sweetie

It's really simple. If you rely solely on the government to give you money regularly for the rest of your life for doing nothing other than existing and consuming because they said you deserve it, you are a slave to them and they are your master, and have power over your life.

how about this.

It's morally right

It's possible

it's fair for those whose parents have built the world, but now are rejected, this is called 'collective legacy'

that was a small test.
the test just stopped
no data has been given
there is still no conclusions by anyone

And?

While I want people to 'contribute'..

Why slave?

So better be a slave without ubi?

Nah, thats a parasitic reationship: worst than a slave

>So better be a slave without ubi?
super-rich should be overthrown. it's the only solution.

UBI encourages people to contribute less tho

That would happen if you 'created' the money.

If you redistribute it shouldn't happen also production shouldn't be a problem nowadays..

Tell me the points.. or better just check

youtube.com/watch?v=NNHAgXy5dxQ

Would you do that?

I mean you would just stay in a room doing nothing?

Okay I think that universal basic income would be a great that.
My argument is how does that happen in reality? How do you prevent people from abusing it, or trying to gain power from it? How do you prevent it from becoming universal welfare? Won't it basically become communist where the government seizes your money to redistribute it amongst the people?
Like the money has to come from somewhere or else it rapidly inflates.
Serious question, because it would be really cool to have the means to live and the freedom to spend you life unshackled by money, but I don't see a way that can happen in reality without just being implosive.

>what points
try watching the video you dishonest nigger.

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:

It is unsustainable, immoral, and unnatural to the perverse level.

Look it this way.

A lot of people that nowadays are busy doing bullshit jobs nobody cares, would try something with their ubi, these people have potential to be contributors..

It`s none of those things.

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
(You)

i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

Humans are inherently evil and i dont want to support evil

>it's morally right to take money from people

Your picture is the best argument against UBS.

It's immoral to steal from people, which is the only way UBI would be funded. If you can present some way of funding UBI that doesn't require stealing from people then I'm all ears.

Uhm I think that is quite hard, at least we should redistribute more and stop increasing unequality..

Big time economists defend it, I think that they have more capacity to see flaws.. and refute them.

youtube.com/watch?v=NNHAgXy5dxQ

there is no abuse from ubi.

By power you mean, clientelism?
Ubi is not welfare..
And it doesn't imply massive tax or communism.

try to watch that video

It's natural to share and provide, its morally right to care for humanity.

And it's sustainable.

Ubi is not welfare, it does not have that effects.

Its juat another form of wealth redistribution. While many will never use want or need UBI, those that enter into it wont get off of it and it will expand at a constant rate. Humans tend to stay where they are comfortable and only the threat of loss or lack of a safety net spur us to push forward. You see this with the more and more common "failure to launch" class of Americans who are comfortable to live in their parents basements (this knows no economic class exclusion).

>tldr you cant have my money you lazy commie

don't bother too hard, they just ignore history and dont understand basic economics

The more of something you subsidize the more of it you get

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

again so that it's clearer..

To get on welfare you have to be really poor.

When it's so hard to enter welfare people doesn't want to leave it to LOSE MONEY

Yes If you have some gibs why risk never again having them and all for losing money or be a poor slave without any real security?

No, its not moral to take one persons property just to give it to another. You are not entitled to another person's property and labor.

How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?

If the points are so important just write them.

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

>It's morally right
>People have a moral obligation to give me money so I can spend my day shitposting on a Tunesian coin collecting forum
I'm not surprised to hear this shit from a Spaniard, you all peaked when conquistadors were still relevant. Enjoy your regular siestas and shitty business hours.

my job ain't so bad and I still fucking hate it.
I fucking hate when sunday night approaches and I have to think about when I have to get ready for bed and fall asleep, I hate it.
I hate having to think and organize my day just to fit my work schedule.
>want to eat something heavy since you are hungry?
>well you fucking can't if it's too late or you'll have to shit at work and you hate going to toilets that aren't your own
>want to go hang out with that super chick you met at the bar and skull fuck her?
>not today buddy, tomorrow morning you'll have to go to work work work
>want to start that new vidya you've been excited for weeks?
>haha you best be joking nigger, only 1 hour of play time today
fuck this gay shit

>How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?
so you admit that you did not even bother to watch the video and consider the evidence before disregarding it outright?

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

There is not a single good argument AGAINST UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME

it'll guarantee inflation. hows that?

Are you evil? wew

It's taxes all over again lad

You wan't a society? a good society? a working society?

or maybe you prefer being shot? that's what happens in america no? you get shot a lot..

Don't get me wrong I'm refering to being robbed with violence.
Taxes 101

Taxes are the price for having a society, with everything that we want on it.

You contradict yourself.
If you got ubi would you just lay in your parents basement? see that's not what most people would do.

>How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?
so you admit that you did not even bother to watch the video and consider the evidence before disregarding it outright?

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

So work is saving you from degeneracy basically.

If i spend 10 minutes on your bullshit video will you still be here to hear why you're mistaken?

i'll be here until the thread archives, sweetie

>boo hoo waking up at 6:30
What a fucking pussy

also,
>flaggot
leaf, cuckman, poo, t*rk, UKuck, or swedecuck?

And nobody says that little nigger.

Ubi means a slight increase on taxes and a MASSIVE reform on welfare.

So the money wasted on bureocracy gets spend on ubi.

also any actual warfare is included on ubi spending.

taxes all over again.

Ubi is not perfect but you could take some breaks and then rejoin your work.. or maybe find another solution while on ubi

yeaaa been outta a job for a month and life sucks without work. it gives you a reason to get up.

>How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?
so you admit that you did not even bother to watch the video and consider the evidence before disregarding it outright?

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
(You)

i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

I KNOW the really bad aspects of welfare..

I also know that ubi is the best system there is to get rid of some of them..

I admit that, I can't see your video now, If you have any point just write it.

>How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?
so you admit that you did not even bother to watch the video and consider the evidence before disregarding it outright?

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
(You) (You)

i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

If I sleep in til 630 I've overslept and now gotta rush. That sucks so I wake up earlier. I love mornings.

are you going to address sowell's arguments or not?

its simple, if everyone has $1000 than $1000 becomes worthless

In what units will "universal basic income" be paid when nothing is being produced?

BUK

If it is natural to share and provide, why do people starve? Why do we need a contrivance like UBI?

The fact is that it is not natural. In order to share you must self sacrifice for the benefit of a group/tribe. In order to provide you must deprive from another. Universal life support is an artificial, doomed to fail human model.

It is not morally right to deprive an individual of their full potential. UBI would lower the impetus for professional growth if not eliminate it. It is neither right to deprive someone of their personal product, which UBI would invariably do to the higher quality minds of the world.

And finally, UBI is not currently sustainable without a major restructuring of the concept of a democratic government and monumental propaganda/social engineering campaign. The concept is distasteful to the vast majority and could never pass into law in a self-governing society.

oh look mr. perfect is posting on Jow Forums
to answer your question, yeah i love how working for my pseudo jewish boss, that has fucking peacocks in his mansion, is making him richer while I am going from paycheck to paycheck having no life at all or time to improve myself.

UBI doesn't work without post-scarcity societies if it's really universal.

Say everybody gets an UBI dollar, and wants to spend it. So you increased the demand.

But, assuming you ran on an efficient government, you also had to increase taxes for that UBI,

The taxation increase and the demand surplus will accommodate for higher prices. Now the guy who works and has an UBI will access to the goods the the unemployed UBI holder can't. So you're back to square 0 but with economic distortion.

that aint how it works lol

Maybe.

While possible its never regarded as a major 'problem'

Then nobody will take your dream from you.

But maybe on ubi you could get a more meaningful job.

How could I adress something that isn't even on this page.

Your efforts are worthless, write, give up or keep at it.

There are plenty of good arguments against UBI helicopter money. The first of which is that money doesn't normally fall out of the sky. Second is that people horde money if they can. Third is that if you add more to everyone, its equivalent to not having added anything at all, since they are in relative terms still the same.

everyone has a tv, everyone has a smart phone.
They're worthless yeah?

Pic related applies if you work a shit job with low pay. You can also add commute to the list if you drive more than 20-30 minutes total a day.

My commute is less than 20 and my first job paid 30 an hour. Wouldn’t take any less.

>How could I adress something that isn't even on this page.
so you admit to willfully ignoring evidence that counters your position? looks to me like you lost

absolutely thrilled to announce Ive just finished. an interesting piece of propaganda, not as far right as I expected.

Rather than use misinformation to attack welfare directly like friedman or murray, sowell just sort of rambles about how "harlem was safe back in the good old days" and makes points about "assimilation" in totally unrelated situations in other parts of the world

Bonus points for calling MLK's civil rights movement an "insurgency" this dude is the epitome of an uncle tom. what did i miss?

It's a bit more complicated.

But why? production is based on money spending that you would still receive.

MAKE SURE TO PAY FOR MY UBI, WHITEY

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>Rather than use misinformation to attack welfare directly like friedman or murray, sowell just sort of rambles about how "harlem was safe back in the good old days" and makes points about "assimilation" in totally unrelated situations in other parts of the world
you conveniently forgot to address his facts and statistics

>How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?
so you admit that you did not even bother to watch the video and consider the evidence before disregarding it outright?

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

Do you not realize that basic income will be a way for the public sector to finally be privatized? The reason Zuckerberg, Bush, and other billionaires are so suspiciously supportive of it is because in this era of capitalism, there is no way we can guarantee jobs to everybody. We are heading to another industrial revolution with the advances being made with A.I. and automation which will put millions of people out of work. A.I. is the new mill, and with so many people out of work, they will not be able to sustain themselves the wages with which to buy the products sold at newly automated places. UBI guarantees them their ability to reproduce themselves daily and then some, so that profit can still be made.
Tl;dr UBI is a way by which capitalism will be kept on its feet and prevent mass worker revolts challenging to overthrow it.

cool story kid. have one of your roommates pop your back pimples

>being in a society automatically justifies taxes of any kind, in any amount, for any purpose

Two men are in a room. Man A has $100, man B has $10. Along comes a third man, man C, who puts a gun to the head of man A and takes $20 of his money by force. Man C then proceeds to give $10 of the stolen money to man B, and returns $10 to man A. This is the basic operation of UBI. I’ll assume we agree on the existence of ownership, which we must because UBI is useless without it since it distributes a fiat currency which is only useful in the context of a society with ownership. If we agree that theft is morally wrong then how can UBI be allowable, even if you call man C the government. If you don’t consider theft morally wrong, then why bother with UBI, just cut out the middle man and take what you want?

Once a political candidate or party says that they will make everyone's ubi larger, no matter what the cost of doing so, people will vote for that and destroy the ubi system.

agreed. the burden of ubi will be placed on whites and asians, generally

thats tax

>If it is natural to share and provide, why do people starve? Why do we need a contrivance like UBI?

Nice.

Traditionally because of production and scarcity.

How could you share until you get nothing? or why do anything if you get the same amount?

That are also natural human emotions

But when mass production and 'automation' get enough development.

it's more of our 'traditional' point of view.

UBI is possible, it just needs a 'rethink' of what the world we want.

Has there been anywhere where this experiment has been done successfully? I'm not trying to knock it, but I think niggers will abuse it.

Fight against unearned income. Don't fight for gibs.

>leaf

what facts and statistics? he literally told anecdotes about how safe harlem was in the 1930's? I don't dispute that at all (even though its anecdotal), many americans were still farmers in the 1930s, and most black people still lived in the south.

That's the whole reason why the depression fucking up farms was so damaging to the economy.

>How can I watch a ten minute video just because you say it and still reply to the post?
so you admit that you did not even bother to watch the video and consider the evidence before disregarding it outright?

notice how the leftist utterly disregards facts, statistics, and evidence in favor of deflection and baseless non-arguments

you forgot to address the points raised by Dr. Sowell regarding the effects of gibs again

see:
(You)

i'm not letting you get away with simple deflection. i'll be here until the thread archives

you conveniently forgot to address his facts and statistics. i thought you watched the video

life is not about enjoying, is about struggling you fucking piece of hedionistic shit

I think some scandinavian countries like Norway have UBI, and parts of California and washington state were doing small-scale experiments with it, but im not sure. its mostly theoretical still

i lied about taking this thread to the archives. i have to go to work tomorrow to pay my taxes to buy tyrone another set of jordans and to support la'queefa's 3 bastard niglets.

What the fuck does “force feed” mean?

reminder that none of these lefties ( ) considered the facts and statistics from the video () but rather deflected and cherrypicked from the video.

i'll go to sleep soundly knowing that i easily btfo lefties again

I described things he didn't talk about until like 8 minutes in. The only "facts and statistics" were that some college had less black applicants than it did in the 1930's.

he provides no evidence that the lack of black applicants was actually caused by welfare, he just launches into more anecdotes to make you think he can prove it statistically, when he can't.

a classic tactic

epic.....

Im really trying to have a conversation but your radical boomer-ism is making it difficult

Money quantifies marketable goods and service. If you give money away you are hurting its value from loss of return to those providing goods or services.

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demand and offer our old friends..

There is no real market, there is nothing that is not influenced by politics.

An ubi is possible.

>if you add more to everyone, its equivalent to not having added anything at all, since they are in relative terms still the same.

Not everybody benefits from ubi, mostly top earners and big multinationals..

So you would preffer to work to ubi.

I think I would work for some months then go ubi and repeat

As I said I don't know any of your or his points If you won't type them I won't listen them