Illegal immigrants lower rates of violent crime instead of raise them. Illegal immigrants pay sales tax like everyone else and aren't on wale-fare (otherwise they'd get caught and deported) Illegal immigrants raise the GDP by .02 Illegal immigrants work jobs that no one else wants to work, thus they're only a threat to uneducated people and mostly minorities.
So why do we want to build a wall POL? why do we want to keep them out? Illegal immigrants don't actually hurt america. its all propaganda to divide people using hate.
>no income tax >hidden crime against hidden people >no one else wants to work >wants 15$ to flip burgers but won't take 12$ to pick cabbage My house stinks I need to burn sage to freshen it up
Gabriel Roberts
OP is a faggot
Aaron Rivera
I see shit talk but I don't see a counter argument. Could it be that there isn't one?
>Illegal immigrants lower rates of violent crime instead of raise them. Only because of niggers, illegals have double the rate of homicide compared to whites.
From what i see, the legal ones are far more likely to commit crime.
Isaiah Richardson
Nice job ignoring my post faggot, looks like you're incapable of critical thinking.
Brandon Rivera
>hahah I'm gonna lump in black criminals into the crime rates of native-borns then I'm gonna claim illegal immigrants commit less crimes than the average american.
Xavier Smith
>illiegal immigrants work jobs that no one wants to do This is such a disgusting meme it hurts, companies will hire poos and chinks because they can reduce their wages and still satisfy them because of their low standards. when the wages drop, whites realize that they have to compete with 12 million illiegals who would work the job for pennies, and now they have to work even harder for the business, that now pays lower Eventually whites leave, and the desperate spics and niggers stay and work for scraps, giving the company the opportunity to reduce wages even more, that is why menial jobs are taken over by spics and silicon valley is taken over by poos. Forget diversity and ethnic foods, it's about getting more and giving back less, cutting corners.
Matthew Robinson
African Americans are us citizens.
Just admit you're racist and you want a country of nothing but white and Asians. Illegal immigrants don't hurt the nation. you're just xenophobic.
Jordan Campbell
>Illegal immigrants lower rates of violent crime instead of raise them How do we know this? I thought they were "living in the shadows". That was the argument for sanctuary cities...
>Illegal immigrants pay sales tax like everyone else and aren't on wale-fare (otherwise they'd get caught and deported) They don't pay into the greater social compact, and they cannot without committing identity theft and tax fraud.
>Illegal immigrants raise the GDP by .02 Muh shekels
>Illegal immigrants work jobs that no one else wants to work, thus they're only a threat to uneducated people and mostly minorities. Because if no one wants to work those jobs, then it means they don't pay well enough. If workers demand higher wages then companies will be forced to innovate new tech, or pay higher wages.
Cameron Green
Again, you're incapable of critical thinking. Why is it okay for illegals to have double the rate of homicide compared to whites? Why should they be allowed in? Why don't you admit that the only real reason you support illegal immigrants is because you hate white people, there is no other rational reason.
Hunter Barnes
False Half true False False
Looking forward to when that socialist wins the Mexican election and it becomes legal for patriots to defend their border from invasion.
Levi James
poos and chinks are legal immigrants as well.
Why would a well trained well educated worker have to worry about employment oppertunity if mexicans only work menial jobs and and Indians work tech and call support? Seems more like a poor career choice than the immigrants fault.
Adam Davis
Speaking of it, Legal immigrants have 1/6 the rate of homicide compared to illegals. Why the fuck should we then let illegals into the country?
Elijah Sanchez
Mexico is a paradise: we should be more like then.
Jace Watson
More Labor = People compete for jobs Less Labor = Jobs compete for people
This is why you liberals are such trash people. You claim to support workers, yet then demand more labor be imported into this country.
Blake Stewart
I support immigrants because they're humans too just trying to get away from a shit hole. I don't give a damn about white people. white people aren't the only citizens in this country. we are not a white only country. so when we speak on native born people we speak on all of them. not just the white ones.
Isaiah Cox
Thats fine. post some proof, prove me wrong.
Ryder Morgan
No, it's quite obvious you hate white people because that's the only reason you would excuse the high murder rate of illegals.
Alexander Phillips
No-one wants to work farming or low-skill jobs because immigrants themselves lower the wages. It's an economic issue where large corporations will do everything to lower food prices, even if Central American families have to be ripped apart. Construction workers were already getting higher salaries in the US due to a better balance of job demand and supply.
Also, GDP is about as hollow of a concept as the thoughts and prayers sent by politicians.
>white people arn't the only citizens of this country >which is why we should allow illegal immigrants in Your logic makes no sense, why should we allow illegals who have a high homicide rate into this country?
Luis Morales
Asians? Fuck no! I only want to live with whites peoples and only see other races for buisness. You say it's racist like it's a negative thing, I say it's an ideal to work in the way.
Racism is love, love for your own kind, for yourself and your family, it's wishing the best for others and yourself.
Xavier Rivera
Nobody wants to admit that the immigration "crisis" is caused by white people not having enough children. This is especially true in europe, first world white nations have become so degenerate they can't even have enough white children for the next generation so they need to import foreigners to take over. This isn't the fault of nonwhites, it's the fault of white people choosing to commit suicide
Evan Nguyen
this logic still only concerns the uneducated and poor career choices.
The only field that seems to be effected negatively is software development. and thats not illegal immigrants doing the damage its outsoucing. what fields have more competition because of illegal immigrants AND require highly skilled workers?
Josiah Green
it's not just about legals and illiegals, it's about basic economics, and why would they worry about their employment? Because companies now know that they can do less and less and still have people buying their products and working their jobs. And don't try to change the goalposts with poor career choices and whatnot, you said that immigrants work these jobs because no one else will take them, and I told you why.
Charles Miller
So essentially you're saying >FUCK THE POOR I WANT CHEAP WORKERS Go fuck yourself porky
If you watch the whole video and are still feeling strong about illegals causing no harm, then we can't help you.
Chase Bailey
Plus African American are citizens on paper, but they all must go back to home land in Africa where all the niggers can shit of the ground, fuck each others and eat humans corps for animist rituals. You might be judgemental about their lifestyle but this is the way they are happy.
>Illegal immigrants lower rates of violent crime instead of raise them. They dont >Illegal immigrants pay sales tax like everyone else and aren't on wale-fare (otherwise they'd get caught and deported) So what and yes they are >Illegal immigrants raise the GDP by .02 No they dont >Illegal immigrants work jobs that no one else wants to work, thus they're only a threat to uneducated people and mostly minorities. No they dont
Robert Ramirez
you're just putting words in my mouth because you don't have a counter argument. just let your friends debate me if you don't have anything to say.
So if no one wants to work them, they should be getting a better education to work a better job. something the illegals can't do but natives can... this puts illegals well under natives. even minority natives that this board hates so much. whats the problem? illegals living what we consider a shitty life is still way better than the shit hole they're running from.
Carter Hill
We could learn a thing or two from them actually, there's a reason why they're succeeding and stronk individualist whites are in decline
Adrian Collins
>Illegal immigrants lower rates of violent crime instead of raise them. They lower the rate of RECORDED crime because they have no identity. Unsolved crimes are not recorded.
>Illegal immigrants pay sales tax like everyone else No, they don't. They get duty-free goods from across the border, smuggle them in, and sell them to each other at flea markets. Go to Denios Market in Roseville, CA to see this. >and aren't on wale-fare (otherwise they'd get caught and deported) Welfare is given by the state, not feds. They have no duty to report illegal immigrants. California will in fact punish anyone reporting them to ICE. >Illegal immigrants work jobs that no one else wants to work, thus they're only a threat to uneducated people and mostly minorities. Those people deserve those jobs more simply because they are legal tax-paying citizens.
Elijah Nelson
why did you come here of all places?
Christopher Wilson
How do you change the mind of someone who has admitted that they are delusional, psychotic, and neurotic?
Jace Brooks
>better than the shit hole they're running from
And? They came here illegally, they need to get the fuck out and try coming here the right way. The situations they face aren't our fucking problem.
Matthew Lewis
kinda, illegal immigrants live worse off than minorities, have less opportunities than minorities. if they want to come here to live a better life by bettering the quality of life of native born people then be my guess. or nativeborns should be better educated leading to better jobs.
Benjamin Kelly
alright, post some proof. prove me wrong.
Adam Martin
>OP keeps asking for proofs >provides none for his side >anons keep denying his claims >provide no proofs for their side
650 MILLION a year to undocumented parents of illegal children. That's just scratching the surface and not counting all the money all of them and the ones NOT getting welfare are sending back to their home countries out of our economy without paying taxes on it working under the table.
Fuck off and everyone you know what goes in all fields.
I provided proofs you faggot OP has nothing more than an opinion.
Owen Long
why not.
They do try, but our system is fucked up. and thats OUR problem. we do our own part to invite them in illegally, because coming in legally is almost impossible for them.
Your "proof" is nothing more than the opinion that cheap labor is more valuable than raising native wages.
Sebastian Bailey
this is the very heart of counter culture in the US right now. its the last place id expect someone who disagrees with it to come for the purpose of just talking rather than shilling
Caleb Lee
but they do pay taxes... thats why I posted these links here:
Nathan Price
Furthermore, you've continued to ignore the homicide rates of illegal immigrants compared to whites. There is no argument that can change your opinion because you came to Jow Forums in bad faith.
Jaxson Myers
They get wale-fare illegally
Jaxson Price
The only reason illegals reduce crime is because they are replacing blacks as the lowest income earners and pushing them out of the poorest hoods.
Of course first-second generation illegals commit less crime than blacks, its easier for them to be deported and they travelled to this country not to fuck shit up, but have a future.
But the same thing happened to the first -3rd generations of freed slaves. And just like freed slaves, once you get a generation completely removed from the hardship of the past, and left with nothing but pverty, the crime will increase. But it will be even worse this time since the illegals are taxing our system like never before and it will come to a head.
Xavier Thomas
been on pol for years.
I provide my argument. ifI get proven wrong good. I'm better educated now. If I don't get proven wrong, I might change 1 or 2 peoples mind. either way, why not?
Adrian Hughes
Change your mind? Everything you've stated as a fact is patently wrong.
Robert Long
The system is that way because we don't want these aliens in our country. Crime rates won't change if they come here legally anyway, so why should we assist criminals in coming to the U.S in the first place?
Also, most of the sources you posted are liberal, left-wing propaganda bullshit. Anything from Los Angeles is going to be void because of political bias.
Jaxson Wright
You can argue all you want about pros and cons of these foreign evaders. The FACT is they are here illegally and it puts a burden not only on Americans, but also LEO, ICE and several other organizations. Not to mention the slap in the face to folks who came here to seek asylum and did so lawfully. Why enter here illegally when you can do it lawfully and never be fucked with? Probably because they are criminals.
Josiah Morales
>The best estimates come from research by the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy, a Washington, DC, think tank, which suggests that about half of undocumented workers in the United States file income tax returns. The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes.
Wow, that's enough to cover the state of California
too many people these days lack that sort of thought process
Noah Butler
Why should i bother with linking evidence if the original post is just theory crafting
You know, you can have an intelligent discussion without the need for evidence, but it should be given if demanded
Matthew Jones
>Just admit you're racist So the purpose for this retarded thread comes out. What a waste of trips. Sage.
Logan Barnes
Shouldn't you have done this legwork prior to solidifying your opinion?
Luis Nelson
>expecting me to read before posting in the thread
Cooper Robinson
I'm not ignoring it, I'm stating the fact that the homicide rates compared to all native born is lower. Whites aren't the only ones in this country. if you want a white only country, visit Europe before they're all BLACKED. You live in a country with minorities, their statistics are your statistics. weather you hate them or not.
Jose Hernandez
Latinos make up 77% of all undocumented immigrants, and over 85% of all those incarcerated in US prisons. They commit crime at a much higher rate than native born whites.
>paid 23.6 billion in taxes. >are 3 percent of population >budget for last year was 3 trillion >23.6b/3t = 0.8%
Wow, how generous, 3 percent of our population paid for less than a percent of our taxes
Josiah Kelly
I'm okay with being wrong. just post some kind of link that proves im wrong. I've seen the california link. I understand crime rate has risen there, and so has illegal immigration. but correlation != causation.
Adrian Foster
Immigrants in general increase violent crime in white communities
Illegals are not paid significantly less. They arent paid under the table to underpat them, they are paid under the table so both the employer and worker do not have to pay state and fed taxes and social security, the illegal ends up making basically the same and the company saves on wages AND tax
If you couldnt figure it out, this is why (((they))) want illegals
I understand your argument, but some of these people are in a bad situation and need to leave NOW and our citizenship process can take years. literal years. they could be dead by then. I know some people do it strictly because their criminals but I believe most do it because coming here legally is so difficult.
No, they don't pay back the full amount that they take from the gov. but they do pay taxes back. Also, most of them are so poor that they would get a tax refund/welfare anyway.
they're not all criminals, most cross the border for a better life.
2. Los angeles is actually the same state everyone has been using against me to say that crime rates do increase. so... does it count or doesn't it?
Alright, so proove it wrong. i've presented my side with my evidence, present yours.
I posted links to back up my argument after the first post.
you got me there, I should post those links in every post.
Reading this now.
african americans are native born so.. they add to the native born statistic. maybe some illegal immigrants will rub off on them and they'll commit less crime.
Anthony Wood
You aren’t here to have your mind changed, but here are some reasons that might appeal to you: >environment US residents consume energy and emit greenhouse gases at a far higher rate than those where “undocumented” originate. If you care about global warming and are serious that it is an existential threat you would oppose further migration to the US and allow our population to decrease naturally. >public health If undocumented we don’t know what you have been vaccinated for. This inhibits herd immunity. The bigger risk is the Ebola scenario — lack of border control prevents quarantine from communicable, tropical diseases in an emergency. >inequality here and abroad Illegal migration saps entrepreneurial and risk-seeking population from the host country and converts it into low-value unskilled labor in the US. This is a wealth transfer from poor countries to rich Americans. >rent More people mean more renters, more renters mean higher rents for the poor. >Economy Immigration increases GDP because the formula is consumption + production + government expenditures + net exports. Migration increases consumption and govt spending but not production, as it delays domestic productivity improvements, like automation or treating workers with dignity. If insisting on GDP, better to use GDP per capita. Most studies show a decrease, meaning our economy is bigger but everyone is worse off on average. Also, most GDP gain inures to the very wealthy. Studies show migration hurts poor blacks so it is not Pareto optimal. >human and labor rights It is wrong to set up a dual track system that protects only natives. Illegal migrants are not paid minimum wage or overtime. They are powerless to enforce OCEA. Employers do not pay health insurance (circumventing 32h/w rule in Obamacare), do not pay or protect under workers’ comp. This is wrong and racist. Also, influx of desperate labor undercuts unions by destroying leverage of a strike.
Jacob Lee
>maybe some illegal immigrants will rub off on them and they'll commit less crime.
They should not only deport all illegal aliens, they should arrest everyone who says they shouldn't be deported for being accessories to human trafficking. Even if the charges are overturned, getting man-raped in prison for 72 hours straight by nogs and cholos will teach these White liberals a thing or two about racial realism.
>Illegal immigrants pay sales tax like everyone else and aren't on wale-fare (otherwise they'd get caught and deported) About half of US state allow illegals to use welfare and state Medicaid funds. They use welfare at much higher rates than citizens.
>Illegal immigrants raise the GDP by .02 So what? GPD says nothing about whether they are net contributors or if they lower wages or divert billions in tax payer funds.
>Illegal immigrants work jobs that no one else wants to work, thus they're only a threat to uneducated people and mostly minorities. Nobody wants to do them for slave wages. They get paid cash under the table and then qualify for welfare so you lettuce that 15 cents cheaper isn't as cheap as you think when you factor in the 100+ billion that goes to illegals at the municipal, state and federal level every year.
>So why do we want to build a wall POL? why do we want to keep them out? Illegal immigrants don't actually hurt america. its all propaganda to divide people using hate. You're wrong, they do hurt America. They cost us about 100 billion annually in direct costs and 100s of billions more in indirect costs due to overburdening our educational, judicial, law enforcement, and penal systems.
Key fucking word there. If you want to change immigration laws, do that. You don't get to bypass the democratic process and selectively allow people to flout the law when it suits your agenda.
Noah Carter
No they don't pay a net benefit but they do attempt to pay some of the net loss. There's native borns in this country that don't even do that.
Theres a system in place to allow them to pay income tax without being revealed. though prior systems have just been used to lure them out so they are weary of the newer system.
sure, to what? I miss some posts. I don't do it on purpose, sorry.
They work the jobs we hate and get paid less doing it.
Owen Miller
>Sales Tax = Pays same taxes as citizen
Oh no OP is retarded.
Christian Jones
>elasticity is low but the major grouping is the same, with less advancement. So illegals do make the same, they just advance less later in life.
Matthew Torres
Niggers are shit. So are illegals, and they both commit significantly more crime than white people. Are you trying to tell me that the appeal to letting illegals in is that "well they're slightly better than niggers"? They're still negatively affecting the country when we could be importing white people from south africa or asians. You're looking at this in a retarded robotic way so that you can win the argument arbitrarily. We dont want spics or niggers here
Brayden Hill
I never knew that.
I'd love to change the system to make immigration easier and background checks better. if anything I want no illegal immigrants and the legals we do have coming over to be good people. However, our system is fucked and powerful people don't want us to unfuck it.
