MGTOWs and incels need saving

>need saving
lol
men have been enslaved for the entirety of human history by the pink jew. we're free now.
If you could turn society upside-down you could coax some of the more masochistic tools back maybe
It's a moot point though as you have zero social power and zero ability to influence your environment

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No, I won't destroy my ancient lineage to Europe with some hapa that might grow up to resent me.

Kidnap one, it's free.

Not looking for a meme answer, thx

So for you it’s a matter of having unfair legislation, rather than a hatred of women generally? Seems to be a minority position amongst incels.

Why the spamming of white-Asian relationships? What has that got to do with incels? Asian men generally aren’t attractive to any race, even asian women.

Yes and no. I'm too bitter and drunk to elaborate further but I'm of the opinion that women are genetically subhuman based on overall group characteristics. Kind of like how most of you lot view nonwhites.

Oh shit this nigga cured me all it took was for a faggot to post a retarded question on a Nicaraguan furry site

I dont want kids, I have a low libido, and women generally just dont do it for me intellectually. Fuck off.

I agree MGTOW isn't a good path, but isn't it marrying nowadays too? Everyone says "Just find a decent girl, they're out there", but I really don't see them that often and when I do they're already taken. What the fuck am I supposed to do if the vast majority of women prefer wealthy high status men no matter what's his race?

Kill every girl over the age of five. Start auctioning off child brides to us.

We'll sign contracts promising to be gentle.

>aren’t attractive to any race

Meanwhile in the real world, the #1 boy group in the US is a kpop boy band. Millions of young white girls dont find East Asian men (and not just "Asians") attractive or anything ... right? How does it feel to live in delusional world?

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>So for you it’s a matter of having unfair legislation, rather than a hatred of women generally? Seems to be a minority position amongst incels.

What are you talking about? That's the primary reason why men arn't even bothering. Men would climb mountains for a woman who's worth it, the very fact they are opting out and would rather play vidya then listen to some cunt waffle on says more about the state of modern women than men.

So have no kids with modern wymon Jessica.

Idk, every time I talk to women, I just want out of it in less than 5 minutes.
Yes, I want to fuck her, but how does it justify putting up with this bullshit?

Women aren't worth the time and effort. I'd rather just masturbate and play video games.

Yeah and asian women check me out and play with their hair everywhere I see them, now fuck off back to r/hapas.

>What would it take to convince you incel and MGTOW types to stop hiding from society and start having normal, healthy relationships with women?
Nothing. Less competition for women for me. If a man is so stupid he would be volcel or chop his dick off and become a tranny he doesn't deserve to reproduce. Whites are going through "the great filter" right now and the ones who succeed at reproduction in the coming decades will be the forefathers of the White Space Empire of billions.

A huge part of why they don't is because they're completely unfuckable.

I’m not particularly attractive or wealthy, but I’ve found a woman who’s a solid 8. I promise you, she’s madly in love with me and worships the ground I walk on. Granted, it may partly be down to the dynamics of our relationship (we’re into BDSM and she’s my slave), but I’m convinced there’s someone out there for everyone.

pls, save me

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what a terrible idea. do you think men like this would be good fathers? more importantly, do you think women would actually stay with these men long-term? they're whiny losers, so the answer is obviously no. that leaves you with single mothers raising a child whose father is genetically inferior. that doesn't help anyone

You sound like a feminist.

Take women's rights away. Bring back patriarchy and man as the head of the family.

I have no interest in debating some hairless boy with an overgrown clitoris on an unrelated topic.
Get lost.

That’s fucking sad

.No one is unfuckable. There’s always some girl that’s as desperate as you.

right, because feminists always point out how dangerous single motherhood is and how women can't be trusted to raise a child alone, right?

Fix the laws and you'll fix the women. Women will behave as badly as they can get away with legally. It's still against the law for men to rape and murder, but it's perfectly legal for a woman to cuck her husband, then divorce him, then get the kids and the house, and have her ex forced to pay her child support and alimony. Why would anyone allow such evil to go unpunished?

Incels can become Chads. They’ll still be fugly and poor, but they can learn how to have the confidence and gravitas to attract women.

>Get lost.
Go continue living in your fantasy world while I live in the real world

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>So for you it’s a matter of having unfair legislation, rather than a hatred of women generally? Seems to be a minority position amongst incels.

lol

Calling men who have made the rational decision to eschew relationships with women “whiny losers” is feminist rhetoric. Critique the philosophy of MGTOW all you want, but don’t attack our brothers.

They'd rather shame the men who left the plantation than examine why they left the plantation in the first place. Tradcucks and feminists would never admit they made a mistake when they created the current legal nightmare that is modern marriage.

It doesn't. Just see hookers.

Strip women rights away and you'll get results.

Its so much more than looks though, most of these incel types. Have the worst mentality and a loserish mindset, selfishness, entitlement all the things a man shouldn't be.

Both men and women have unrealistic standards for how society should change. MGTOW included.

Because they don't think it's a mistake. They think it's how it should be, and they don't want to put up with a rebellion.

>That’s fucking sad

No it's not. What's sad is wasting time and money on some slut who's just going to end up leaving you anyway.

white grills dat NIGS more than PATHETIC CHINK BOIS

The quikest way to anger a lefty is to tell xer the truth. The quikest way to anger a conservative is to lie to him.

Want to fix the marriage and birthrate problem? Have an honest discussion and compromise to a logical conclusion. While fear may be an effective tactic (wypipo gonna extinct in 20 years), it does nothing to address the core issue(s) plaguing our mating rituals or lackthereof.

You know damn well why intelligent men aren't breeding.

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Fucking gross
Offspring does not even look like the Mother
Weak Genes and Weak Biology is disgusting.

I’ve seen men broken, financially and spiritually, by the divorce courts. They’ve been stripped of their children, their homes, and their dignity. And were all decent men who just wanted to provide for their families.

So, yeah, I don’t take it well when people refer to these men as sour-grapes losers. Until you’ve experienced that level of existential devastation at the hands of the woman and the government, you can’t understand the thought processes that lead men to want to burn down the whole wretched system.

You don't need to convince me. You have to convince women.

it's not the act of mgtow that makes them whiny losers, that movement just happens to attract a lot of men with those qualities. wouldnt you agree that most are men/boys who have had limited romantic encounters and are looking to justify their own failure? if you are someone who could find a wife but choose not to, that's an entirely different story

>quikest
jesus christ I used to be an excellent speller what is happening to meeee

Literally any proof that women aren't psychopathic degenerate leeches that only care about looks.

Look at all these weak fuck excuses for men who think there is nothing wrong with being caught in a court system for alimony, and court raped. What a bunch of low IQ, faggots. This is why idiocracy will happen if the courts arn't fixed. fuckers like them will breed like the niggers do. No quality, only quantity.

The divide between the two sexes will only get bigger.

how do ya'll feel about your mothers? you mean to tell me that none of you have ugly-to-average looking fathers that are part of a decent marriage?

>but I’m convinced there’s someone out there for everyone

that may or may not be true but the problem lies within the circumstances needed to reach said person. not everyone's in a situation where then can have their ideal match fall into their lap

It's ultimately a numbers game and you just have to pray for a decent roll and do everything you can for the odds to align in your favor

The 'men' who try to dismiss the claims of the MGTOW movement are far fucking worse. The room temp IQ faggots who try and social shame men into playing a rigged system? Just REEEEK of estrogen. Social shame is primarily a woman thing, men don't play ball with it, the define it.

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got to destroy femenism and mgtow. The wedge between man and women in society is manufactured and manipulated by satanists/dark occult

>feminists and commies have turned you into.

Societies rules broke down and female hypergamy kicked in. How is this 'our fault'?

>wouldnt you agree that most are men/boys who have had limited romantic encounters and are looking to justify their own failure?

I wouldn’t agree. Sure, there’s some of that, but most MGTOW that I’ve interacted with have been severely burned by women, often more than once.

I’m not trying to proselytize, but go read up on some of the stories on the MGTOW.com forums. I think you’ll find it’s a more diverse group of men than the detractors would have you believe.

>how do ya'll feel about your mothers? you mean to tell me that none of you have ugly-to-average looking fathers that are part of a decent marriage?

Who eventually got divorced, and still doesn't see 2 of his kids to this day due to it. House taken, child support etc...

Another problem is white women coming across more as friends, and completely killing their attractiveness the moment they open their mouths.

I don't like her, and my father was kind of a beta who only taught me about the importance of making money

I see MGTOW guys as the 'middle of the road' males who opt out because they don't want to play a rigged system. Some incels are 'MGTOW fakers' who never had a choice about attracting women to begin with.

MGTOW dudes can do whatever the fuck they want. They are free to do as they please. I don't condone or condemn them.

>What would it take to convince you incel and MGTOW types to stop hiding from society and start having normal, healthy relationships with women?
Not everyone is badass chad. I accepted my genes are not good enough to be atractive to females. It is better if they find someone else to start family with. Better genes for next generation than my manlet curse. Other incels have propably similar problems.

>GET A JOB AND HAVE KIDS IN THIS "SOCIETY", GOY!!!!
no
gamers reise up

Different men have always had different results, but social media and tinder have widened the gulf too much. Pre-social media, one's attractiveness to women consisted of two components - physical(face body etc.) and non-physical(money, personality, charisma etc.). In the post tinder era none of that matters because you're just a fuck pic on a phone - swipe left or right. 80% of men are considered below average physically by women as they do NOT grade men on a smooth bell curve. 80% of men are now in a position where they cannot compete or have a severely reduced capacity to do so. Think of it like the economic term, marginal utility of income (the increase in utility gained from one extra unit of income, which tends to have diminishing returns). With me being in the bottom 80%, my marginal return to an extra hour of non physical attractiveness improvement is now zero because non physical elements no longer matter. I've been in the gym for years, learned game, developed hobbies, and NONE OF IT MATTERS WHATSOEVER because none of these activities provide any marginal value for a given amount of time invested any more. Earning more money won't get me any more pussy, so I don't. More exercise won't get me any more pusy (already 10% bodyfat), so I don't. More socialising won't get me any more pussy because every woman I meet in real life is "single and not looking for anything" i.e. fucking chad on tinder while pretending to be single so as not to look like a slut, so I don't socialise. If you want us to come back you have to increase the marginal pussy utility of NON PHYSICAL attractiveness (work, socialising, hobbies, morality generally speaking. One way of thinking of patriarchal societies is that they forcibly impose rules which create a correlation between non physical attractiveness and sexual success, which motivates the bottom 80% uglies to do something other than what they would do in a state of nature - Kill, rape, form gangs, and masturbate.

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>done with her party phase
>already has 3 kids
>wants to settle down with a nice guy
MGTOW

Nothing short of arranged marriage with virgin females.

Trust. How can I trust the mother of my children not to divorce rape me and take our kids.
That is what it comes down to. I don't trust the females and most likely never will.

My dad was a literal 6'2" Chad drug dealer on parole when he met my mom. He used to flash a .357 anytime he was out in public with her and he noticed someone "checking her out" when they were dating. She said "oh no it was so scary" but at the same time she also admitted she liked it.

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depends
if you're attractive but do autistic shit, once you decide to go "after" girls all of a sudden, you're competing with top-tier chads, unless you want to fuck literal dogs

There is always desire to be something more within human. Usually it manifest itself trough materialistic ways, sexual ways, trough drugs or parenthood example. It is endless chasing, rat-race that leads nowhere but keeps you busy trough own creation that people calls as life.

We can't remember our time as toddlers because we didn't exist in that time. We had no identity. Only when years has gone while we gathered data from our environment we created identity. When we have our identity, we decide what matters to us. Then we experience impulsive feelings when things didn't go as we wanted.

We are piece of life that creates own image and plays it (Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image). We get so tangled to our own creation that it can kill us and bring us into hell. We think that something or someone causes our misery even when we alone create everything within.

We have all this mysterious desire to do something, be something more. It usually manifest itself trough sexual ways, materialistic ways, trough parenthood, dating, drugs, games, food, alcohol.. you name it. Trough that it leads nowhere, it keeps us happy for a moment and then we need more. So where we are now? We are piece of life that want to experience bigger part of it. Trough physical ways it finds not that part and when that need to expand finds no expression we create this pain within. So what to do? This is what meditation is all about. We wan't to think nothing, be nothing because that is just the data we gathered from the physical and created self from it. When we learn to be still, just be as piece of life, something start to happen that seems to expand you into everywhere. It seems to that consciousness, awareness is the basic that exist and everything else it is manifest of it.

I think that what ((they)) wan't is to bind us more and more into physical, sins, into that rat-race i wrote about above, so that we wouldn't learn or even think about this.

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sage for the kike slide thread

It's not just MGTOW forums. Young men see the wreckage of males all around them.
The divorce rapped dad, the cunt on almoney with new boyfriends. Boomers with 3 or more marriages, blended families, fights over custody, stepdad molestation.

You have to admit; that shit is a warzone. Some men don't want to go near it, so they don't get married or have kids. They just sportfuck women instead.

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>to stop hiding from society and start having normal, healthy relationships with women

Ehhh, maybe if they stopped rejecting me, that problem would be solved. Just a guess.

i look like a little bitch, only gays hit on me. plus i have no sex drive whatsoever. i feel weak all the time and can barely provide for myself

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How much of a manlet should you be to decide 'well the curse dies with me'. Under 5'7?

dude this is a weapon of mass destruction, do you want to kill all of the chinks on here?

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you put into words what I've been thinking for years

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Perhaps. The little bitch microdicks make me violent

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>i.e. fucking chad while pretending to be single so as not to look like a slut

This hurts...

Did your mom calm him down? Do what every woman dreams of and controlling Chad?

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Notice how the thread died when i started posting? Thats how you know 90% of the posters above me are shitskins and chinks

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I guess. Jokes on her though, he was also a cocaine+heroin+alcohol addict who constantly worried her and he died of lifestyle-related health issues at 65, leaving her alone for life. Not before spending most of my life in rehab or passed out drunk.

Jokes on me though because I'm an only child and she has nobody else to deflect her emotional state onto.

Chad always wins.

Asian masculinity

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Why would you want a child that looks like you? Just genuinely curious

I want to steal white genetics!
Black men do something similar, they want to fuck white women and 'deny' them to white males. Although I don't think they give a toss about half-nigger babies.

This. My genes are simply not worth passing on.

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