Jow Forums, I'm feeling brave today

What kind of a pussy doesn't go to work just because their childhood was fucked? Tough luck, life's not easy for anyone.

Pedophilia is a smokescreen. The actual reason for not sexualizing children is so men don't tear society apart trying to fuck young teenage girls, which they would if they could.

Children can take hormones and change sex. Surely they can decide to have sex.

Proper response here, everyone else is moralfag going "HURR DURR ALL PEDOS NEED TO DIE ASAP"

It’s not victimless kids can’t consent. If kids had the right of consent they’d die of an infected splinter that they’d never consent to being taken out. Because kids lack the brains to realize what long term is they do not have the ability to consent. Same reason we don’t let seveerly mentally insane people have those rights. A person who is in a dimished capacity doesn’t have the right to consent anyways. Hence why drunk women claim rape all the time.

Wouldn't want to deny them their agency would we, unlike this oppressive bigot

I think if you're a pedophile, and you are able to go your whole life without touching a kid or buying child porn or any of that shit, then kudos, that's great. I don't fucking want to hear about it though. I don't want magazines to write articles about how we need to "see your point of view" - I am not interested in your point of view, and I don't want anyone to get ideas thinking that viewing child porn is a "victimless crime" because one of the "non-offending pedophiles" writes an article about draconian freedom of speech laws.

If you're simply just living your life and jerking off to lolis and shotas on fucking /b/ then fine, I don't care, those aren't actual children, but don't fucking make me hear about it.

what possible reason would somebody ever admit they are a pedo?
why would they do that?

The idea of consensual sex between a child and an adult is pretty egregious based on the fact that children are simply too dull to understand when they are being taken advantage of and when they aren’t they could be verbally consenting and feel that they want to have sex but the ease that an adult has in convincing a child to take on this mindset is inherently why pedophilia will always be illegal

That proves that it's illegal and immoral. It still is technically speaking victimless if no one was hurt.

>The main issue is that children beneath a certain age are considered to not possess agency, and therefore, are unable to consent to sex, making the sex - rape. That is why making real CP, with actual children, is a crime.
Pictures of rape and murder are not criminal to possess.

There is a lot of truth in that.
Much of that moralfagging is a defense mechanism, stemming from the fear of being called or suspected to be pedophiles themselves, many of whom might be actual pedophiles.

>Children are deemed legally unfit to decide what is best for them

Yes, that is why their parents decide for them. In the same vein, their parents should decide if their child consents to sex.

That's the screwd-up part. I believe it is fostered by moralfagging due to fear of being called a pedophile, so people over-compensate.

If they can’t consent they’re a victim. If you fuck a chick in a coma it’s rape. They’re not capable of consent. Dining something without someone’s consent causes physiological damage and breaks down the persons ability to engage in life in a healthy way. If it was victimless the childern that engaged in these acts would not suffer as adults. But they do.

> victimless crime

This is a meaningless phrase that exposes your own confusion about what crime is. Crime isn't just directly injuring someone, causing harm. This "no harm" standard is the lowest possible standard. Crime isn't just that which harms someone, it's that which harms the whole society. You can commit a crime by not paying your taxes, by neglecting to help someone dying on the road, by acquiring a cocaine addiction, by failing to perform your duties as a member of our society -- even though none of these directly injure anybody but you.

Society requires that we look out and care for each other. It's about more than paying taxes to a police state to make sure nobody goes around looting and pillaging. (If that's your standard than no wonder you're an-cap.)

So the best reason to oppose pedophilia is because it hurts you. Because it destroys your soul, because it turns you into a victim of your disease, because it sends you straight to you. You might not care but I do, because we're in this together, we have to get along. Even if you purchase organic boutique hand-drawn child porn that doesn't involve any real children at all, it's still wrong. It's wrong for you. And I want better for you.

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>If it was victimless the childern that engaged in these acts would not suffer as adults. But they do.
I actually went ahead and read some of the academic sources pedos post on here and that's apparently not true in all cases.

Still doesn't make it morally acceptable, but OP is technically correct in saying that it can be victimless.

No. Because some parents do consent to sex for their kids and they’re just shitty parents. If they can’t consent on their own then they shouldn’t be allowed. I agree that he age of consent can be lowered. But no lower than 15 or 16 and that’s with the parents consent. If that were the law it would get abused. But all laws get abused. Anyone cought selling their child into marriage should face heavy penalties.

acceptance is the first step towards help

As far as children's capacity to consent to sexual activity is concerned, it's honestly case by case. Some children are a lot smarter than others. Here are some questions I'd be asking:

>Does the child know what exactly he/she is consenting to?
>Does the child make any attempts to resist or otherwise show signs of fear or distress that imply that he/she does not consent to the activity?
>Have the child's parents/guardians provided their input on the activity? Have they given consent? If not, did the child continue to consent?

> Even if you purchase organic boutique hand-drawn child porn that doesn't involve any real children at all, it's still wrong. It's wrong for you.
How? How do you know that looking at a picture of say a naked child hurts your "soul"? Why? Can you elaborate?

It would appear the Tumblr Brigade is already starting fuk off shill take your pedophilia and go straight to hell*

It doesn’t have to be true in all cases, just most. And it is true in most cases.

and who the fuck are you your highness

Well I would guess that user knows because ‘weed is a gateway drug’ was roundly laughed at. Now white peoplw have a opioid epidemic on their hands. It is reasonable to assume there is a slippery slope here.

>it's that which harms the whole society

Which is a completely and totally subjective and thus undefinable standard. You can objectively demonstrate whether an individual was harmed, but as society is not an existent and observable entity attempting so to use it as a standard of justice is equivalent to using random whim.

If the definition of a crime was that which 'harms society', there would be no objective standard for criminal activity. What you think harms society and I think harms society are different, and it's fundamentally impossible to objectively prove it one way or another. It's essentially giving whoever's in power free reign to imprison everyone else for doing whatever they happen to not like.

itt: lots of faggots who need to be gassed and plenty of people happy to put them in the fucking oven

Fuck off with your meme flag. Sage the fucking thread.

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>fucking a girl that has had her first period is wrong. T.fag You must be gay to think that fucking prime pussy is bad. Please proceed to jump from the highest roof near by.

Severe trauma is not that common. Most of them are "confused". If that's your standard for an amount of suffering that is significant and noteworthy then we will never agree on this being a problem.

However even if we accept this is a serious problem, most of that confusion is caused by society sending a message that conflicts with their personal experiences. Stigmatizing someone makes them feel bad, not really a surprising discovery.

I'm assuming that unconsensual activity is outside the scope of what we're talking about, because that is very harmful with very few exceptions.

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Explained in a bit more pragmatic terms than I would prefer but well explained nonetheless.

>Well I would guess that user knows because ‘weed is a gateway drug’ was roundly laughed at. Now white peoplw have a opioid epidemic on their hands.
If that's what he was talking about, then it is a bad analogy. Those people where not looking at pictures of other people taking drugs, but actually taking them. If we take this simile, then all this would mean is that looking at pictures of CP would become an epidemic.

desu I don't think pedophilia is uniquely dangerous. There are plenty of people with torture/murder/kidnapping fantasies that never do it. Rape is a common fantasy, but there aren't many who do much beyond think about it. Rather it seems like people with poor impulse control are compelled to act on their desires, and pedos just happen to have crimes that are considered the most abhorrent, so it makes it seem much more prevalent than it is.

Head pats are a gateway to child rape.

Children can't consent. Pedophiles should be castrated.

Holy fuck you both need to be executed

You know what? Consent is bullshit. Women don't consent to sex anyway. Sex is a normal thing that happens between men and women and there's no female consent involved normally. If the woman isn't being violently assaulted or struggling while being fucked, it's fine.
Consent is bullshit that feminists made up.

So you think children should be allowed to take hormons and change sex?

KYS

I'm saying that we let them take hormones, so it's inconsistent not to allow them to fuck adults.

People with gender dysphoria needed help too. But they were given acceptance instead and now people are going around mutilating their genitalia and then committing suicide once they realise it changes nothing and that they are still depressed.
They need counselling and not acceptance, just like you sick pedo cunts.

But we shouldn't let children take hormones. Are you autistic?

It doesn't matter what you think. We do, so until we change that, it's an argument for legalizing pedophilia.

This, these slide threads need to stop.

No it isn't you fucking pedo.

shut the fuck up you towel head piece of shit you your religion is shit and a fake ass bitch ass religion that tried to copy christianity in the most stupid fucking way possible you child fucking faggot i hope the brits kill every last one of you subhuman scum

>I'm feeling brave
We already know that you are a paedophile. Not a summerfag here.
>attraction to children is a victimless crime
It isn't any type of crime you dildo.
Just change your mind and stop it. It's exactly the same as any other sexual deviancy. All deviancy whether straight deviancy or homosexuality itself is an attraction to what is wrong because it is wrong. The wrongness is what gives the thrill.
The way to recover is to not dwell on those thoughts and let them shrivel up and fall away. It's the same for me, you, everyone else. We all have temptation, attraction to deviancy but those of us with any sense just bypass those thoughts and let them go. We don't spend time on them.
In this way I no longer feel the desire to kick in the backdoors of every chick I meet and bed. It's just not an option and I don't invest in fantasising about it.
Homos and paedos are selfish little weasels trying to get used by the victim culture that is promoted by political above the law organised crime who use sexual deviancy as an attack on decent people, it serves as cover while they steal money.
You deserve zero sympathy and frankly as God is my witness and will judge me when I die I warn you that if I find out someone's hurting kids like that irl it could get brutal at the drop of a hat. No talk, no warnings. A lot of people feel like this. There is absolutely nothing to discuss - CONSTANT TALKING ABOUT THESE SUBJECTS IS A JEWISH TRICK
Do as I told you or Kys

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>>Women don't consent to sex anyway

What?

> Whiter than you, Muhammed *sharts in American*

You should consider suicide if you think homophilia and pedophilia is the same.

They don't consent. What sort of faggot are you if you ever asked a woman explicitly if she wants to fuck? Sex is just something that happens between men and women.

He is a pedophile wanting to justify his pedophilia

keep dreaming achmed go wipe your ass with your hand some more you degenerate fuckwit achmed

>what is body language
fuck off achmed i cant wait until all you fucking pieces of shit are ran out of europe

> I got shit on my hand! Better wash it off with soap and water.
> I got shit on my face! Better wash it off with soap and water.
> I got shit on my asshole! Better SMEAR IT ALL OVER WITH DRY PAPER AND LEAVE IT THERE STINKING ALL DAY
t. filthy amerishart

> body language is consent
jej you autistic retard

You could take the opposite approach though and say that hormone therapy for children should be illegal because paedophilia is. They can't consent to sex so shouldn't be able to consent to hormone therapy because they are impressionable at a young age.

If you think children (13 and under) are old enough to have consensual sex then you must also agree that they are old enough to decide if they are transgender.

hahahaha you just admitted to being a fucking sand nigger. i figured you dumbfucks would have learned what sewer and sanitation is by now but no youre still wiping your ass with bare skin you stupid fucking towelhead fucks

a very large amount of human social interaction is conveyed through body language but your low IQ dumbfuck shithole countries dont understand anything but ahooting eachother and raping little boys and girls you filthy fuck

>Absolute state of Ancaps

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pedophilia is a mental disease, plain and simple. it is a deformity. the persons sexual attraction is misplaced in a manner which is ineffective (children cannot teproduce) and harmful to the group as a whole, since children who are molested are pretty much always damaged emotionally. therby decreasing their ability to lead a productive life.

so pedophelia is a mental disease which causes harm to more than just the person infected.

pedophiles who act in any way on their impulses are like violent dogs that just need to be put down.

If you think that they are old enough to decide if they are transgender it doesn't mean that pedophilia is okay and visa versa

This.Pedophiles need to be castrated, pedo aplogists needs to be executed.

My point is that kids can't make those life long decisions. I'm not agreeing with OP or my statement about transgenderism

Consent doesn't have to be explicit

There's nothing wrong with having a clean anus Tyrone. It's really simple. You wash your asshole with soap and water. You don't walk around all day with dingleberries.

> a very large amount of human social interaction is conveyed through body language
Tell that to the judge.

t.not a sand nigger, stopped using toilet paper years ago

There's nothing worse than a nigger that doesn't read a thread before replying. Chances are the point you want to make has already been made and responded to
see

But let's say that a person supports sex change for children, he shouldn't automatically support pedophilia.

T.sister fucker.

We choose for them faggot.

youtube.com/watch?v=07bu619Xv0M

How are they victimless crimes? The child is to blame because they shouldn’t be putting in inappropriate material to others and the people should be to a lesser degree to blame because they might have just browsed over it unless they are legit looking it up intentionally

Excellent thread OP.

dumb ass! we can always make more kids...

fuck you kid lover.
the post you quoted refutes nothing. its ramblings of a faggot kid lover.

I see what you're saying now. In that case you're right, I just think kids shouldn't be making such life changing decisions so early in their lives

>t.not a sand nigger, stopped using toilet paper years ago
HAHAHAHA oh fucking wow. by far the stupidest fucking thing ive read all day

Technology has turned this previously simple matter into something extremely complex. Once upon a time a young girl flashing men would be sternly punished, slapped around a bit and that was all that was needed. Now these pictures are out there circulating on the internet for all to see, they can't be got rid off, they corrupt society, and there's no easy way to determine who is to blame.

Let me guess, you did not read the entire chain of replies so you have no idea what is going on?

It's not good for a man to spend too long unemployed, too long poor, too long unfree. It's not good for a man to be drunk, to be sick, to be idle. These things eat away at a man's full expression of himself and slowly ruin him. Consuming kiddie porn is the same thing -- it's a sickness of the soul. How can you be healthy if you're training yourself to look at children with lust? It's desensitizing you to things you should feel absolute disgust at.

Not to mention that it will send you straight to hell. (But I presume that this question is being debated at all means we aren't talking in Christian terms.)

> totally subjective

So what? Society is built on subjective, undefinable social constructs. We accept that nudity is shameful, but there's no logical reason why it *has* to be that way, no objective standard that says everyone *must* wear clothes. Maybe when it's cold it makes rational sense, but what about on a nice hot day? What harm are you causing anybody to go streaking in the sun? None, but I can bet you won't do it.

If you feel some shame walking naked in public, it's because you still share this social more with the people around you. Feeling these social mores is an important sense, it's as important as seeing or hearing. We're social creatures, we share a common morality. People who don't are sociopaths, and people are poorly socially-developed tend to be angry and hostile. (Look at many millennials today for proof.)

> giving whoever's in power free reign

I think giving a dictator free power to rule by fiat is the very definition of "harming society." What exactly do you make of history? There were a lot more societies that imposed a sense of morality in their law to protect society and the people in it than sheer naked despotisms.

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I can barely relate to adults of the general public because they're so dumb and ethically inconsistent, children are even dumber as they haven't even reached the retard level of the gen public yet. What kind of idiot wants to have sex with children? It's a deviance. Are people expected to be so hedonistic and impulsive that they fulfill their lusts and it's just accepted? No. Legal, not legal, youre just a dirt bag that has no self discipline. You want to intellectually obfuscate the reality that youre weak. --It doesn't serve any function, immature women have difficulty in birth. boys?.. thats just gay and immoral. In this time, adult women are barely equipped with the discipline to assist and raise children with due attention. Do what you want. If you assault or threaten my children, you'll lose your life on the spot.

>We accept that nudity is shameful, but there's no logical reason why it *has* to be that way, no objective standard that says everyone *must* wear clothes.
Hygiene. We share public spaces. Would you really want to sit on a chair at a restaurant that was previously occupied by a naked fat woman on her period?

What's stupid is using DRY TOILET PAPER to smear shit over your anus. Disgusting. Western countries have it all wrong.

>It's not good for a man to spend too long unemployed, too long poor, too long unfree. It's not good for a man to be drunk, to be sick, to be idle. These things eat away at a man's full expression of himself and slowly ruin him.
By that logic, we should criminalize a myriad of other things, including but not limited to: TV, video games, porn in general, alcohol, etc.

This fag ^^ is a moron. Society can't be corrupted. Corruption is a undeniable part of every social construct.

We could use clean wipes, we could decide we don't care about certain kinds of hygiene. You're kidding yourself if you don't think there are jungle people out there right now perfectly comfortable walking around naked and swapping sweat.

Society requires a healthy social fabric, which is built on a lot of arbitrary and subjective standards. But we all feel them on some level, and we have to maintain them to keep society healthy. If we don't then we end up atomized and depressed.

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kids don't even understand consent, if you asked them they wouldn't understand and probably agree as an adult is a lot stronger and more intimdating than them
CP is digusting and pure degeneracy
go suck satans chode faggot

yes lets just smear shit all over our fucking hands. heres an idea maybe you fucking dont use TP because ytour sand nigger desert countries dont have fucking trees or plants with leaves to wipe their asses with even nignogs in africa have leaves. you sand niggers do not

t. obvious pedophile
>oh but I am not because reasons despite hosting a thread explicitly devoted to talking about pedophilia being harmless

kek you dumb fuck

PEDOS GET THE ROPE