Give me ONE good reason why I should follow the National Socialism...

Poland started it

National Socialism has nothing to do with Poland. The Germans had this issue with Poland being moved Westward by the Russians/Soviets, which meant many ethnic Germans were no longer in Germany and were in Poland, where they were abused.

>Who said that?
Hitler himself, by his actions? You know, invading other countries that he saw as inferior, "German master race" and "slavic subhumans", euthanasing the cripples and mentally ill, that kind of stuff.

You Poles were screwed because of the awful diplomacy of your foreign minister. That and the Brits used you as bait to get the Germans to invade.

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Internet Goebells award.

>Hitler himself, by his actions?
Wrong.

>You know, invading other countries that he saw as inferior, "German master race" and "slavic subhumans", euthanasing the cripples and mentally ill, that kind of stuff.
lmao.
I bet you think the Holocaust happened too, don't you?

>ideology created specifically for the German people
Man cannot exist as an individual, only as a member of a community. Races, peoples, and nations are therefore more real than individuals. Therefore universalistic thought must replace individualistic thought in philosophy, and the organic view of the world must replace the mechanical view. But do not misunderstand what is meant here by universalistic. Community-consciousness that is fundamentally rooted in biology. Sociology was the beginning of an attempt to understand man in his collective nature, but it was in some ways on the wrong track, because „society“ is still an essentially individualistic term. „Community“ by contrast denotes an organic unity.

Recent thinkers who pointed the way to the new community-conscious thought are Johannes Rehmke and the National-Socialist Paul Krannhals. But really it has been a long time coming, foreshadowed by Meister Eckhart, Kant, and Fichte.

With the turn from individualistic to community-based epistemology, the divisions of scholarship will have to be reorganized in a way that makes sense within the new worldview.

This new mode of thought is valid for all races and peoples, even if not all are yet able to recognize it.

From: The Philosophical Foundations of National-Socialism – by Otto Dietrich

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How?

>National Socialism has nothing to do with Poland
Indeed, and that's how I don't get why so many retards see it as the ideology "to unite the white race".

>The Germans had this issue with Poland being moved Westward by the Russians/Soviets
That happened after WW2. Poland reclaimed most of its former territories itself, Russia was fighting civil war at that time. Do you even know what you're talking about?

>many ethnic Germans were no longer in Germany
All the territories Poland reclaimed after WW2 had Polish majority living in them.

>where they were abused
How?

>So you don't believe everything you've ever been told about National Socialism?

no i dont, i question the traditional narrative which is parroted by most people but also revisionism like on Jow Forums.

if you legitimately think that all the "facts" in those infographs shared here are well sourced and the truth then i got some bad news for ya.

>Hey, you're the one flooding your country with millions of muslims so you don't get called "racist."

still doesnt make you any whiter, also we know how to get rid of millions of unwanted people.

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This

no one is telling you what to do, fag

do what you want

>if you legitimately think that all the "facts" in those infographs shared here are well sourced and the truth then i got some bad news for ya.
That's why I'd direct you to this: tgsnt.tv/

All the sources are at the end of the documentary.

>still doesnt make you any whiter,
The difference between you and me being is you have false memes while I have the truth.

>also we know how to get rid of millions of unwanted people.
The Holocaust literally did not happen.

>Hitler himself, by his actions?

There was no Holocaust. Jews died within the camps due to starvation and lack of resources. The real number is close to 500,000- 750,000 dead. There was no plan to exterminate any races of people. Communists and insurgents were killed. The real casualties were the soldiers and the civilians killed by bombs on both sides.

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>You Poles were screwed because of the awful diplomacy

How?

Your meme iconographics fails to mention that in exchange for his "friendship", Hitler demanded part of our land (the exterritorial highway between Germany and Prussia), something that we couldn't accept and Gdańsk that didn't even belong to us at the time because it was a Free City,

Besides it was 1939, Hitler already invaded Austria and Czechoslovakia. We saw what happens when you give "just a little part of your land" to Germany. We weren't that stupid.

So of course we refused, and THEN Hitler decided to ivade us.

So Germany is entirely to blame for the outbreak of that war. Don't blame the victim for standing up to the bully.

>he thinks i'm talking about the holocaust

might want to learn a bit more about german or european history mate

>i have the truth
sure ya do bud, there is literally no point in talking to you people you will believe everything you want to believe, while accusing others of doing the same. ironic.

>might want to learn a bit more about german or european history mate
You mean you want me to accept your Jewish narrative of history.

>sure ya do bud, there is literally no point in talking to you people you will believe everything you want to believe, while accusing others of doing the same. ironic.
But when you do it, it's acceptable huh?

>Man cannot exist as an individual, only as a member of a community. Races, peoples, and nations are therefore more real than individuals. Therefore universalistic thought must replace individualistic thought

Christianity was doing that part pretty fine by now, unifying Europe as a community.

I'm not even talking about Holocaust. Hitler literally tried to phisically wipe out the Polish intellectual elites and turn us into a nation of slaves to the "German master race". And most of the Death Camp prisoners were in fact not Jews, but ethnic Poles.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_AB-Aktion_in_Poland

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmiry_massacre

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_in_Piaśnica

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_Krakau

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Lwów_professors

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>Wikipedia
Oh look...a politically correct, Jewish edited website. totally trustworthy.

Each of this articles has a list of citations beneath. If you feel like questioning them, question the sources used in the articles.

However, if you insist on other sources

pamiec.pl/pa/biblioteka-cyfrowa/katalogi-wystaw/12902,The-Destruction-of-the-Polish-Elite-Operation-AB-Katyn.html

pamiec.pl/download/49/34899/OperationABKATYNpomniejszona.pdf

lwow.com.pl/lwow_profs.html

Have a nice read.

NatSoc wasn't just pre-christian, it was pro religion, whether that meant, Christian, pagan, or Muslim. Just so long as your religion wasn't subversive to the government.

Crimea had a Russian majority. If Russia sends millions of Russians to the Baltic can they have it?
>Inb4 the Germans did the same
Yeah, like a few hundred years before. I'm not giving America back to the natives.

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Is no one going to acknowledge this shit?
W I T N E S S E D

>Crimea had a Russian majority
Russians only started settling Crimea with Russians in 19th century, after the fall of Crimean Khanate.

The Polish lands we're talking about had Polish majority living in them because they were stolen at the end of 18th century for a little more than 100 years and Germans never managed to wipe Poles out of them (despite of trying their best).

The lands you're thinking about are Pomerania and Silesia, and indeed, those were stolen from Poland much earlier, in middle ages. But Hitler never asked for them, as they were still occupied by Germany when he came to power.

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you shouldnt
find your own way

Also, he's using the fact that Germany invaded without a declaration of war to pretend like the British and French started the war because they had the spine to issue real declarations.

Anyone who denies that Silesia is German needs the noose.

The eastern lands of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth were Ukrainian, Byelorussian and Russian even back then though, Just thought to mention it.

>Silesia is German

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Well there aren't many Germans there anymore.

To get to the root of your question, national socialism is essentially hitlerism and was subject to change based upon whatever became pragmatic. However you are not obligated to follow the national socialist model to the T. There are differences in policy amongst Democrats and Republicans and liberalists in general. I don't support the idea of lebensraum and no one should feel obligated to do so. The only way global nationalism works is for regional agreements amongst nations in regard to historical claims. National Socialism can be adapted for any country, and because Hitler was in some ways making it up as he went along, you can adapt it in any way you see fit. I think in principle that should exclude removing the national soverignty of other nations though. Space will be the future area of expansion and we should devote a lot of resources in that area. Then you could have a polish ethnoplanet.

Wrong person

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>Indeed, and that's how I don't get why so many retards see it as the ideology "to unite the white race".
Note this is not a nazi position at all, I just wanted to note that in the context of the USA the whole unite the white race thing makes sense.

I am a natsoc and you are a historically illiterate retard.
And that's a good thing. Greater Germany and greater Poland NOW

The eastern lands of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth were Ruthenian. Belarus and Ukraine didn't exist back then.

So yes, Poles were a minority in those lands, but mosf of them belong to the Lithuanian part of Commonwealth anyway. And Lithuanians weren't forced to enter the Union with Poland, they did it out of their own will.

There is nothing about natsoc that is anti-polish, it was just Germany's geopolitical situation at the time. It's like saying capitalism is anti Iraqi because the US went to war with Iraq.

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Unless I'm mistaken, most polish-lithuanian settlement was polish? Ruthenia is long gone by now anyway.

>I go to your house
>Trash it, rape you and evict you
>Declare that it's my house now
>The process is legitimate and the property is rightfully mine

Worked out for us, mate.

Evil Poles at it again

You really have to read up on history. Not even any mainstream history prof will tell you Hitler used "poles are inferior" as casus believe to go to war with them.

Why are you literally worse than Hitler?

Okay well this kind of poses a question, because that's what the Germans did to Silesia even prior to that. So whose land is it really? I don't really have an answer, although I think a compromise in the form of making Köningsberg german again is really the only realistic thing I can think of that could be done.

I mean ideally every European people could own all of their homeland but it becomes kind of an issue when multiple peoples' have a legitimate claim on a piece of land.

Why? Every people has a right to self governance, imperialistic tyranny just ends in suffering and misery.

>hitlerism and was subject to change based upon whatever became pragmatic
And I'd say that's a good thing, because I also believe that pragmatism is a way to go.

Except that historical context is literally unnaceptable not only for Poles, but also most of Europeans who were victims of Germany during WW2.

So I literally cannot see a rason why so many idiots on this board want to force the Nazism down our throats and whitewash what celarly cannot be whitewashed. As you said - because National Socialism can be literally anything, then how is it even still a National Socialism, except for the name and worshipping the manlet Austrian? Oh yeah, and denying his war crimes.

Let's just call it pragmatism, and let every coutnry go with the right-wing ideology that fits it the best. And also isn't a spit into face to other white nations' history.

>Invaded Austria.
Your schools have clearly brainwashed you.

ironic, coming from either a britmutt or a mohammed

>Not even any mainstream history prof will tell you Hitler used "poles are inferior" as casus
He didn't. But as soon as he conquered us, he decided it's time to get rid of that obstacle once and for all. See

But then we would actually create a reasonable and realistically palpable movement, we can't have that!

Indeed, that's exactly what Germans were doing to us for over 700 years.

Anschlussed Austria and invaded Czechoslovakia.

Happy now?

No, but he still believed that and treated them accordingly.

>invaded Austria

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Is this the future you want? Because if you don't REICH this is the future you've chosen

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In our blood i guess

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He was killing partisans. Funny how in Krakow it was mostly fine, but in Warsaw (the hotbed of commie partisans) is where the "cleansing" happened.

>if you don't want socialism, choose socialism!
wew

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Wrong. See

>Anschlussed Austria

The unification of Austria and the rest of Germany has been desired for hundreds of years. The Entente had to specifically write into their post WWI treaties that Austria was not to become part of Germany to try and prevent the union of German peoples. It would be no different than the US invading Poland today and separating it into Poland and "Free Warsaw" and then pretending that the people of Warsaw ever wanted to be anything but part of Poland.

The only reason Austria memes this whole 'first victim of Nazism' garbage is because if they don't then they too might be liable for (((Holocaust reparations))).

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Except there are other ways to prevent this, other than National Socialism.

We never were Nazi, and yet we're doing pretty well so far, your pic related is not happening here.

So I'd say your argument is invalid.

>hurdur everyone who dislikes hitler is a jew

Wow your an idiot.
>commie partisans
>"cleansing"
Please come back when you learn some history

No, you were occupied by Bolsheviks. Just because you were too poor for materialist poison to start growing and you were too conquered for the Soviets to bother with social engineering psyops is not some testament to Polish strength.

are you white?
love your people

Eugenics was officially promoted by the NSDAP though. Or are Nuremberg Laws a hoax too?

CZ was a patchwork state in which all ethnic groups were unhappy. The Germans and Czhes were content to become part of greater Reich and the Slovaks were content on finally having their own state. Magyars and Ruthenians also were rezoned and better off.

you shouldn't follow national socialism but you should follow fascism. NS is just a German expression of fascism. Polish fascism is what you should subscribe to

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Anschluss was voted for by Austrians and a popular thing. If you want me to be honest in regard to Hitler don't be dishonest in regard to Hitler. The was even prevented by anti Hitler leaders at first.
Yeah, you're right. I'm just playing political favorites, I'd be willing to create a greater Poland that absorbed Ukraine and Belarus. I'm not going to say it's completely just.
There's a bit more to fascism and natsoc than just pragmatism. It's hard not to end up vigorously defending hier because he is literally the reason you're not allowed to believe in it. But the term "natsoc" is pretty representative of what we want and most of what Hitler did is seen as favorable. I am still against imperiistic elements, but we have plenty of imperialists in our (((democratic))) government here in the U.S. Should we fully reject democracy too? Maybe, but not for that reason alone. I like to think of myself as a kinder, gentler natsoc, hahaha.

Sick argument. Tell me why I'm wrong or fuck off of this board brainlet.

Well, try Fascism then, happy?

Poland lost 20% of it's population in the war, excluding Ukrainians and Byelorussians.

They died from combat, mass executions, deportation to internment and slave-labour camps and man-made famine.

Eugenics were pretty big in the U.S too. We sterilized plenty of people up through the 70's. We also helped pinoeer the concentration camp :DD

>He was killing partisans
Polish proffessors and intellectuals were "partisans"?

>Funny how in Krakow it was mostly fine
Did you even read my entire post? Check out Sonderaktion Krakau.

And also, you're partly true. There were less partisan actions in Kraków, but that's because Kraków was made a capital of General Governship and as such, had much tighter security. But there were some notable actions that happened in Kraków as well, like attempted assassination of Wilhelm Koppe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Koppe

And also, what "commie partisans" are you talking about?

>The unification of Austria and the rest of Germany has been desired for hundreds of years

Yes, but both sides wanted to be the uniting side, that's the problem.

And Anschluss was against the international war.

Also, how do you justify Czechoslovakia?

Or a semitic sympathizer, you know its the truth

Also nice flag faggot

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>Give me ONE good reason why I should follow the National Socialism
White Europe under German rule > Brown Europe under Jewish rule
>ideology created specifically for the German people
Lie
>"slavic subhumans"
Citation needed

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Ok sure. The Home Army were not "commie partisans". Also are you actually trying to deny that Germans massacred Poles in warsaw?

It's retarded and gay. Stop it.

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The jew won the war but Hitler went to Valhalla from where he will lead the Einherjars to the final battle at Ragnarök. We mortal Aryans who remain in this dimension have to train in the Temple of Iron so we can join him.

Not an argument cuck.

>We also helped pinoeer the concentration camp :DD
Wasn't that the British?

>No, you were occupied by Bolsheviks
True, but it is also thanks to strong Catholicism.

And since 30 years we are no longer under Soviet rule, but somehow we still remain unspoiled by Cultural Marxism.

>CZ was a patchwork state in which all ethnic groups were unhappy.
If they were "unhappy", they would never form their own state.

>The Germans and Czhes were content to become part of greater Reich
[citation needed] on Czechs.

>Slovaks were content on finally having their own state
Tiso was considered a traitor, and was executed after war by the Czechoslovakian state.

I'll stick to Traditional Catholic Conservatism, thanks.

>Polish proffessors and intellectuals were "partisans"?
You mean (((Polish proffessors and intellectuals)))? He did us a favor, look what this filth was doing to Poles after the war. Joining commie police and torturing patriots.
>Germans massacred Poles in warsaw?
That was mostly Ukrai**ns. Wermacht treated Polish POWs RELATIVELY well. Anyway it's our fault. We shouldn't had started a fucking uprising without weapons knowing that woman and children will starve to death.
SKOL!

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>White Europe under German rule > Brown Europe under Jewish rule
Well I'd prefer to have the one where Poles and other Slavs still exist and have their culture. If you like sucking German dick so much just hop ever the border you fucking cuck.

Why are you such a cuck?
>we still remain unspoiled by Cultural Marxism.
Ja pierdole :D Widzę że kolega jest do tyłu troszkę. Zobacz co robi TVN i TVP z ludźmi. Zobacz jakie tam są materiały, promują pedalstwo, związki między rasowe, nowe filmy cwela Vegi pokazują facetów jako pizdy a kobiety jako ogarnięte itd. jestesmy w ciemnej dupie. Hitler was our last hope.

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>pic related
What's it says?

There's a difference in forming a state and realizing it was a mistake. Yugoslavia was a thing too. Also most Americans hate other regional variations of Americans.

>eugenics is opposite of Christianity
Fucking retard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves#Christian_Scripture