Can Jow Forums actually refute any of his ideas?
Not trying to shitpost, I'm just genuinely curios.
Can Jow Forums actually refute any of his ideas?
Jason Allen
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Caleb Hall
Isaac Hughes
>taking anything the original neet says seriously
His whole “philosophy” was based around making a system in which he could be a neet without repercussions.
Beyond a loser. Communism is loser-acceptance.
Xavier Lewis
Marxism relies on post hoc explanation when it’s predictions fail. This is pseudoscience. Failed prediction equates falsified hypothesis.
Read Popper dammit. He was literally knighted for refuting Marxism.
Juan Lewis
To actually refute any of his ideas you'd have to know them in the first place, and nobody is reading all that shit, nigga.
Nathaniel Morales
>inb4 "real communism has never been tried before!"
Connor Gomez
>Can Jow Forums actualy refute
Doesn't matter. Competition in world economic markets proves that Marx's hope for a proletarian paradise is not economically viable.
Adam Moore
No they can't and this becomes most clear with automation. What's the free market solution to large scale unemployment? Starve.
Brandon Moore
Blake Richardson
His criticisms of capitalism are valid. His solutions aren't.
Lincoln Butler
History itself is the refutation.
Logan Williams
>automation
What happens to the worker when his work becomes valueless?
Dylan Morris
A communist who lived off of his friends family who owned a factory & sold a book in a capitalist market
Ryan Baker
According to Marx? Foundation for class consciousness and socialism.
Christian Rodriguez
>All history is a class struggle
That's just your slave morality.
Jeremiah King
Unironically based
Jaxson Collins
>give the means of production to a heirarchy of different skilled workers, expecting the lowest educated people to make the trickiest business decisions that takes experience and/or education to excel at
Alexander King
his work didn't become valueless, it became valueless to those who own the means of production thus restricting him from working
David Martinez
That traditionally assumed there exists a proletariat whose value is in their labor. In a fully automated world where labor is worthless, there are no proles, only lumpenproles.
Lucas Flores
i dunno throw an idea at me and ill refute it
Charles Flores
Maybe I should've used the term worthless instead.
Luke Torres
So the solution is to implement Communism and starve ourselves BEFORE automation takes over?
Hudson Phillips
>What is the human condition?
>After robots replace our jobs we will turn to “hobbies”.
>Religion is the opiate of the masses.
Some of his stuff is really great and his concept of the class struggle is amazing. His solution however and some of his “observations” is less then stellar. I’m assuming you posted this without realizing he portrays the Jews as one of the alienated party’s in history.
t. Read/learned a shitton of philosophy stuff including Marx.
Evan Adams
Caleb King
Exactly.
Eventually concentration of capital will become incompatible with capitalism itself. That doesn't mean we'll get a workers' paradise. The plan is to have the robots kill all the human proles. The capitalists know the class war is real. And they're playing to win.
Lincoln Martinez
>Can Jow Forums actually refute any of his ideas?
He's a Jew. Therefore he's inherently anti-White. He's also non-White.
Non-Whites and anti-Whites don't belong in White countries.
Joseph Cruz
why refute them when we have done several tests
Michael Roberts
What profits would be made?
Asher Edwards
This.
William Smith
Jose Peterson
Playing devils advocate, none of those actually became truly communist countries and devolved into essentially a dictatorship. If we have a less...blood thirsty leader then we would have to see.
Sebastian Morris
Jace Price
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Tyler Young
>If we have a less...blood thirsty leader
You can't because in order to have "true communism" you need to oppress the people until they're soulless worker automatons. That's why "true communism" is impossible. It gets so evil, tyrannical and corrupt in attempting it, it collapses. Just like everything the Jews do.
Samuel Cox
He starts out with trying to base his approach to the Hegelian dialectic on the work of Feuerbach; it is not only disingenious but also blatant, and with all the good that can be said about Spinoza's work it stands to reason that two minds so fundamentally opposed in outlook and origin should not be conflated casually. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest Marx never actually read Hegel, being that the true master himself back then considered his time's Prussian state the highest possible expression of the human creator spirit. Read the Phenomenology if you disagree, you won't afterward. In short, he was as sloppy writing his filth as he proved to be flunking college and failing to get employed. And all of that is still nothing to say about pic related.
Leo Cox
Marxism was proven false when world war one happened and no global revolution happened.
Thomas Cox
How do I make sure I'm on the side that doesn't get culled?
Carson Collins
Not true, after the workers revolt they can have a leader who relatively peacefully ushers in communism. No overkill oppression after the revolt needed.
Charles Brown
Also you don’t oppress the worker in communism. Yes it’s still assembly line production but you remove the oppression via the wage system/fatcats. I honestly don’t think communism on paper can’t work but we really have seen a true communist system except maybe Russia after Stalin but they tried to put coin the US so they inetiveibly crashed.
Joseph Cooper
>Not true, after the workers revolt they can have a leader who relatively peacefully ushers in communism.
No they can't. Because the leader must be tyrannical, evil and oppressive in order to keep communism. Without such a leader, things will revert back to the natural order (aka not communism).
Due to the fact that communism is unnatural one must do unnatural things (murder, oppression, torture, Jews, etc) to enact it.
>Also you don’t oppress the worker in communism.
Of course one does.
Otherwise one doesn't have communism.
Communism wants to turn the people into soulless worker automatons.
No family, history, heritage, culture, tradition, race or faith.
One needs force and oppression to remove those things and keep those things from coming back.
Owen Bailey
>Otherwise one doesn't have communism.
Pretty sure communism in theory is about "worker liberation"
Kevin Cox
communisim and socialism are both retartedly flawed in the same way. Both assume that the people at the top wont become rabbidly corrupt. whish is a mornic miscalculation of human nature. for this reason the corrupt will always seek to insall socailicm under the guise of equality.
Logan Mitchell
>Pretty sure communism in theory is about "worker liberation"
that's what you get for trusting a jew on his word.
Ayden Clark
Marx's ethnicity has nothing to do with what his ideology was designed for.
Ayden James
marxism and juedism are the same thing.
Liam Brooks
>Marx's ethnicity has nothing to do with what his ideology was designed for.
Absolutely it does.
Marx was a kike.
Therefore because Marx is a kike, Marx is inherently anti-White in everything he does.
Jack Morris
Not really.
Jason Morris
Socialism was actually tried at an American pilgrim colony.
Failed big time.
Aaron Ramirez
>Not really.
Yes, really. It puts the Jews in positions of power and subverts the goyim.
Eli Edwards
How?
Henry Powell
There are many examples of actual nations that refute his theory.
All threads.
Owen Johnson
>How?
Removing/replacing the goyim from positions of power, control, authority and influence.
Institution of policy that benefits the Jews and subverts the host people.
It happened in the USSR and it's happening/happened in the USA.
Jesus....just how new are you?
Jeremiah Phillips
Juan Morgan
Are you talking about a Vanguard? That wasn't Marx
Samuel Morris
Ho Chi Minh was Jewsih?
Dominic Kelly
It has the same problem as capitalism. People are more than workers/consumers and any ideology that revolves around production, labor, or profit will be unhealthy for society.
Ryan Lee
>Are you talking about a Vanguard? That wasn't Marx
I'm talking about the USSR, Communism and the Bolshevik revolution.
>Ho Chi Minh was Jewsih?
The Jews were behind the installation of Communism in China. Without the Chinese Communists there couldn't have been Korean or Vietnamese Communism.
Henry Jackson
>I'm talking about the USSR, Communism and the Bolshevik revolution.
Yeah, a Vanguard. That was Lenin's ideology. Marx said communism would happen naturally. Lenin believed that it should be implemented asap.
Ryder Cox
price =/= value
Lincoln Hernandez
We can but we've already done it 1,000 fucking times. Use the archives if you're actually looking for knowledge, you whiney fuck. Your ideology is utter shit.
Michael Mitchell
Communism basically assumes that humans are mere cogs in a machine that would do their assigned thing and need only the most basic of maintenance.
Therefore, anytime a "cog" decided to stop doing as intended, or wanted more maintenance, they were discarded
Joseph Scott
Gavin Jackson
>Yeah, a Vanguard. That was Lenin's ideology.
Lenin was a Jew.
>Marx said communism would happen naturally.
So how come it has to be forced at the barrel of a gun every time it's attempted?
>Lenin believed that it should be implemented asap.
because as with all jews, Lenin wanted power over the goyim asap.
Parker Lopez
>So how come it has to be forced at the barrel of a gun every time it's attempted?
Because it was forced every time it has been attempted. Same with every other revolution
Caleb Long
It throws normative and descriptive notions along with self-fulfilling prophecies into a blender that results in a series of oversimplified Nostradamus "predictive" bullshit.
Historical materialism is a good example of this, because it presumes the mindset of historic actors as fitting into Marx's presupposed dialectical processes by claiming vague interpretations as fact.
Daniel Long
History has refuted his ideas.
Kayden Jones
>Because it was forced every time it has been attempted. Same with every other revolution
And the difference with communism is the revolution is forever. the target just changes from the enemy to the people.
Charles Baker
to be completely honest, he genuinely saw problems but didn't have the solution, he never wanted to give us Stalin and the Kim dynasty, the Bolsheviks used his ideas for their advantage.
Mason Cox
>he genuinely saw problems
Yes, he saw that the Jews weren't in power and the goyim were.
James Fisher
spot on
Tyler James
dumbass, his criticism of capitalism is 100% valid, kikes love capitalism so what is your point ?
Evan Harris
>dumbass, his criticism of capitalism is 100% valid,
I never said Capitalism wasn't Jewish or anti-White either.
> so what is your point ?
You're fighting over two Jewish ideologies while ignoring the one ideology that no Jew wants you to even consider.
Carson Hernandez
during the industrial revolution most of Europe had rothschild banks, so they already had power, he wanted to take away their power in fact so you're retarded
Adrian Young
>ignoring t
so what is the one ideology that the jooz dont want me to conciser ? please dont even try suggesting socialism.
Levi Jenkins
>during the industrial revolution most of Europe had rothschild banks, so they already had power, he wanted to take away their power
and put it in his own hands. and other jews (lenin trotsky, bolsheviks etc) wanted that too.
Oliver Wilson
All his ideas about analytical economics turned out wrong or are at least very out-dated, e.g. value theory of labor and tendency of rate of profit to fall.
Daniel Moore
>so what is the one ideology that the jooz dont want me to conciser ?
Gee...I wonder....what is that one ideology that the Jew fears above all?
>please dont even try suggesting socialism.
"hurr durr national socialism is exactly like communism because it has socialism in the name!"
Justin Ortiz
Pretty easily. The crux of his entire argument is a revolt and eventual dissolution of unequal leadership. Basically we turn into an ant colony without the queen. The problem with that is it would require our consciousness to evolve and our egos to dissolve. This is why local communities could practice it because of less people to account for.
Just like capitalism, expecting people not to take advantage of this system makes the whole system fundamentally flawed. The reason why no one shits on capitalism that isn't a communist is because both schools of thought still want power.
Julian Robinson
the Marx 'experiment' has been an extraordinary-failure everytime it has been applied 2 a society; it incentivizes laziness & punishes those who work hard; Communism by definition, devalues efficiency
John Fisher
we can agree on that, Hitlers definition of socialism is something the jooz fear.
Xavier Morales
Grayson Ramirez
This 100%. Read das kapital
Marx was still a retard when it came to history though
Thomas Nguyen
one post by this id cancer killing Jow Forums
Landon Hall
>we can agree on that, Hitlers definition of socialism is something the jooz fear.
Because it removes them from all aspects of society, removes the tools that allow the Jews in and creates a society that will succeed.
The Jew needs the White man. The White man does not need the Jew.
Connor Harris
>one post by this id cancer killing Jow Forums
It really is.
Jose King
this is so simplistic, yet so right
gommunism cannot make economic calculations. therefore they can't value resources and therefore they can't effectively allocate those resources
Jordan Bailey
i suppose communism has no ruling class right?
LOL
Liam Brooks
Also, he didn't foresee the reforms of liberal democracy. His work makes a lot more sense when you keep in mind that he lived in the gilded age when children were losing hands in their 3rd shift of the day at the textile mill. It turned out that society was able to resolve the most egregious capitalist abuses without a violent revolution.
Asher Gomez
Heres a great example
Blake Jones
look son, a retard
Gabriel Russell
Ayden Morris
Popper didn't understand Marxism, make Popper's arguments and I'll tell you how they're wrong.
>His solutions aren't.
>implying
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Luis Bell
>Marx doesn't allow for much specialization
>Marx thinks everybody can put in work at a factory, come home, and be a farmer, a fisherman, a craftsman, and a scholar at the same time, in the same day
>in reality I just have a shitty chair because I don't specialize in building chairs and I'm burned out from working at the factory
>from each according to his ability, to each according to his need
>turns out a small minority of people are pulling a shitton of dead weight and should be compensated fairly for this
>nah, universalize shit
>gotta get rid of the bourgeouis
>that means murder because people don't give up their shit
>gotta kill their kids to stop vengeful successors
>not everybody's in on this, gotta kill those guys
>somebody needs to be in power during the transitional stage, let's hope he steps down at the end
>oh shit, he didn't step down
>Marx thinks that there's gonna be a proletariat uprising globally
>good luck with that
>dude fundamentally doesn't have the right conception of power dynamics or group loyalty
Thomas Price
Lucas Ortiz
to actually refute his arguments, I would have to read his book(and the references that it makes to others) and since I am a STEMfag I ain't got time to waste on that.
Jacob Gray
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Juan Miller
>ain't got time to waste
>on Jow Forums
pick one
Oliver Hill
Yeah, if you're coming from the mutt perspective of history
Angel Gonzalez
>implying there is one pie
Inequality doesn't mean inequity.
Justin Miller
kikes love everything that put them in power.
So they love communism, capitalism and everything as long as the goyim are down and (((they))) are up.