this is why communists hate them
>both are middle class "petit bourgeois" movements opposed to disorder from below and rootless cronyism from above
>dependent on a family-based society and countryside culture, i.e. patriarchy
>opposed to the social cannibalism of unchecked democracy
>both liberty and order inform each other, liberty is best fit for a moral and virtuous people per John Adams
fascism is anti-bourgeois but otherwise a good conservative bulwark to ally with
>Liberty lovers siding with authoritarians
Yeah, that's a laughable concept.
cocaine
Literally has happened twice before with Mises and Hayek
Liberty depends on an integral and moral social fabric to weather class cannibalism and multicultural strife
Not really, the left/right divide is far more intensely concerned with power than the authoritarian/libertarian divide is. Questions of individual vs state power are more nuanced than deciding who should go in the ovens.
I guess.. but why would a group of people who preach individualism side with collectivism?
the same aristocratic "every man a king" spirit powers both, being that both reactionary libertarianism and fascism are middle class patriarchal ideologies
it's just a matter of retooling fascist class collaboration into a transitional state to be later liberalized once the social fabric is secured
then we can go full paleolib
>guys who want control any aspect of life
>individual and economical liberty to everyone
Are you retarded? Are you even know what fascism is??
Eh I would much rather side with the fascists than the commies
I can live my life ok under a fascist framework, but my life would be complete garbage under a commie framework
per "The Mass Psychology of Fascism", fascism is just the patriarchal family model extrapolated to a whole, unstable society
the best libertarian society would just be a republic where only property owning family men could vote, which would be inherently ethnocentric
one can lead to the other
This is a pretty good thread. Keep going.
>Would rather side authoritarians who hates capitalism over authoritarian who also hates capitalism.
Shame.
corporatist technocratic fascist socialist neofeudalist trannyhumanism is the end goal of the elites
Is that part of a collection?
If so, post the rest.
fascists don't hate capitalism.
fascism is really just about dealing with the extreme ends of the class ladder, the proles and the biggest and most rootless of businesses who have left the nation-state behind.
each ends are without as much stake in society because they are not connected to the land. they are not self-governing like the middle class is, and they either grow the state with entitlement or crony collaboration
the middle class, specifically the small property owner, is rooted in the land and therefore a conservative culture. it's the closest to having a national consciousness.
that demographic is what breeds libertarian and fascist reaction. they are fellow travelers, and they should be complementary
Collection?
The Jeffersonian Democracy infograph
also jeffersonian ideals are irrelevant. jefferson wanted an agrarian society of small property owners with no national bank. that kind of capitalist society would be overtaken by international (british) competition even in those days. thus the federalists, it's why we created a central bank, used tariffs, etc.
it's an early modern way of thinking that is no longer relevant, in an age of burgher freemen struggling against landed gentry. we're in the post-industrial age, totally different class structure
Nah, this is the only one. Unless quotes count.
We share common grounds, but the main difference between us comes when we talk about child sexdolls®
the collective rights of the individual - fuck man 'are you really a burger or just a larper?
>National banks is a good idea
Wouldn't that make it easier for jews to control the system?
The reason why I think fascist hate capitalism because it promotes (((them))) and multiculturalism.
Burger.
I would laugh but at the mere possibility that it is actually the true end goal of the elites and they are on their way of achieving.
anarcho capitalism is destined to fail embrace anarchomonarchism and respect your elders you stupid megaracist statist
>trannyhumanism
Lets do it
I don't like either, in fact I would rather have our current crony capitalism than either full fascism or full communism
But it's clear that at least fascism rewards a man for his work in more substantive ways than communism
The Nazis were cool with drugs, so I'm cool with Nazis.
that's the other thing. libertarianism depends on a set of cultural values that favor negative liberty. these liberal cultural values are not evenly spread across the world, they're ironically racial.
fascism is basically a kind of social protectionism meant to preserve this culture, and therefore liberty. before you can have individual liberty, you must have a healthy social fabric. moral culture, strong families, and organic social bonds
>wouldn't that make it easier for jews to control the system?
I was just commenting on the hamilton vs jefferson divide. I'm not necessarily saying a national bank is what we should have
>The reason why I think fascist hate capitalism because it promotes (((them))) and multiculturalism.
Those two things are why they hate the materialism and cosmopolitanism of urban culture. sometimes they take that all the way to hating capitalism, but that's wrong. cities represent big capital, the countryside that spawns libertarianism and nationalism represent small capital which is much more conservative in nature
>anarchomonarchism
Hold on sempai, how does that works?
Fascism is less totalitarian than democracy.
It's Jow Forums history for lolberts and fashisums to come together for white utopia.
basically, the thesis is that
libertarianism per hayek favors liberal dictatorship over illiberal democracy (communist cannibalism)
liberal values are not evenly spread across the world, they are concentrated in a certain race, class, and one side of the city-countryside division.
that demographic is literally the salt of the earth conservative social fabric. this means libertarianism is a fellow traveler to nationalist reaction (fascism) because they're both a product of that fabric.
libertarianism has an interest in the integrity of it as much as nationalists, because liberty depends on the order it creates. it's a bulwark to class cannibalism and multicultural strife
Both sides can only ever accept the other as useful idiots
I am a Fascist and would tolerate a Lolberg society. Ie not campaign for it's destruction like a Democracy/Communism. I don't agree with Lolbergs much but I do find freedom of association admirable.
i would like a system where you get to choose
at the age of 16, you have the option to opt in to serve your country
by opting in, the nation provides you room, board, and employment - but only if you maintain strict health and hygeine standards and do your job well. training will be provided whenever it is needed. medical and dental health will be dealt with.
all participants will also be trained to be battle-ready soldiers should the need for combat ever arise. it is a strict hierarchal system with great efficiency. failure to meet the conditions results in expulsion from the program. the nation provides whatever you need so long as you provide whatever the nation needs.
by opting out, you retain the freedom to do whatever you wish so long as you dont violate the rights of others. you have to provide for yourself though, the nation will only provide the court system and some other minor beurocratic utilities. perhaps a minimal police force, but not really needed.
a nation that supports individual liberty and collectivist efficiency as a choice for each citizen
That's a very interesting idea and sort of relates to what I have toyed with.
My idea is basically that we should nationalize automated industries and provide UBI to white lower classes to guarantee their security, enfranchisement (since they don't own property they're stakeless compared to the libertarian small property owner), and stability of their families.
The higher parts of the economy which are more skilled in nature should just be liberalized, where the libertarian, white collar individualist spirit should reign free.
That way we have two political estates united by culture and race, blue collar labor and self-employer or skilled labor.
Your citizen-soldier idea would be very good for poor young men to have a place to start off