why is every new technology built in an ugly way, hard to repair, hard to recycle, pricey and shortlasting?
>overspecialization and invasion of proprietary parts
>lack of durability
>ease of mainintence by basic tools
are sold as genuine technological progress, while in reality those are one dimensional quasi inventions.
From construction, electronics to clothing - its the same shit everywhere: gimmicky, prices and shortlasting technology.
is that the (((way of the future)))?
it's what happens when you let women vote
I know that (((STEM))) javascripters and other autists are held in high regards here but most STEM people are one dimensional autists that cant think outside the box so they design the tech that way.
this is also very connected to creating technology on the capital of (((fiat money))). cont...
MAKE TECHNOLOGY GREAT AGAIN
>this is also very connected to creating technology on the capital of (((fiat money))). cont...
you would never buy such bad investments as the (((newest))) phones etc if you didnt bought them on credit.
just look at this overdesigned piece of crap
>look how the screen curves to the sides on this shitty s7 in order for it to break more easily when it falls unlike good ol )))Nokia(((
>you cant change the battery
>pricey
>desing appeals to neo-yuppies
>they wont update the software after 4 years, BUY A NEW ONE GOY YOU ARENT STINGY ARENT YOU???
just a few non crucial and non expensive details (protected screen and changable baterry) could make this phone 10x more durable and user friendly, but they dont give a shit as long as STEM autists give them the phone of the month award.
Screen repair businesses are becoming a thing btw. Bizzaro world.
>it's what happens when you let women vote
part of the problem only.
Embrace free software, OP.
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ww.youtube.com/watch?v=p5qVxAoKwbE
Old school lasts 800 years, new school lasts 40 years. That's not even a competition.
how many of you realize how unsustainable your murtage house/apartment is?
Its life span is up to 50 year MAX, while previously buildings lasted 500years MIN?
one of the few varg videos that I cant find a bad point in.
modern agriculture destroys soil?
cars.
how much do modern cars last without (((offcial deealership))) mainintence? how easy is to maintain them yourself compared to older style cars?
Trying to fix anything post-2010 anymore gives me cancer. Manufacturing has shifted 100% to just making shit as cheap as possible.
>Trying to fix anything post-2010 anymore gives me cancer.
rivety, molded parts, everything proprietary, plastic everywhere that breaks when opening...horrible, horrible, autistic. Im speaking about stuff that autists in tech mags give "X of the weak" awards.
Look up the prices of old school all stainless steel toasters on eBay.
its almost impossible to modify anything post 2000s, pic rel is nothing more than yuppie electronic dogshit. fiat money economics at its finest.
>plastic as phasades for mortage apartments
technologies will never be the same
>glues a computer onto _____
Look, it's a new ____!
why dont we build technology in a Lada Niva system - durable and reliable, but low performance?
There is a place for sophisticated and high performance devices that require high mainintence, but most of the time you dont need it, its a specialist tool, but now everything is built that way.
>cars.
most modern designes look like dildos.
youtube.com
television.
can flatscreens be fixed? why arent they build in a way to be fixed if you expect them to break?
>tomo chan on the list
Fuck off
I work in construction and tool repair it's never been easier to build, demolish, and repair shit. New materials make its so easy. Blame the architects and designers for their ugly designs that people want to tear down as soon as the 'newness' wears off, the engineering and construction side of things is great. With the cheapness and strength of new materials the architects and designers have no excuse for the ugly shitboxes they make today other than critical theory commie bullshit. Enginerds are just doing what they're told and the commie architects and designers are doing the telling. If you look at high end home renovation where commies aren't giving the marching orders, it's pretty much 90% classical design themes where the golden ratio and detail reign supreme
Yes, engineers are actually retards, and were not highly regarded in any other society.
they are built to fail so you keep buying more. if a truck lasted 70 years and never rusted or broke down and you could do basic repairs yourself, they wouldnt make money at dealerships for maintenence and sell more cars and so on.
same for phones, computers, clothing, etc. even fucking cement is set up to fail. roughly 30 year lifespan for concrete exposed to elements. yet romans have concrete that gets stronger and more durable with time using ash and other common shit. they want it to fail. get a new eleventy billion dollar stadium in 20 years. just in time for name renewal and advertising rights.
jews gonna jew.
Yes, soil is pretty complex. Just the constant tilling of the soil can destroy it as it is taking away the protective topsoil and turning any compost and other soil into a nutrient-free top layer. This in itself leads to desertification.
There is also the loss of trees which hold the soil together and prevent erosion. Nice self-sustaining gardens incorporate fruit trees, but you cannot do this with machine farming.
Fertilisers are perhaps the worst culprits as they pull the nutrients out/to the top of the soil, and new soil has to be constantly reintroduced or the farms turn into a desert.
It is a disaster waiting to happen because it takes more energy to go into the system than we get out of it. Soviet starvation will be like paradise compared to what is coming.
What? The screen to an S7 doesen't spider web when you drop it and is more likely to get scratched, I don't know what the fuck you're going on about.
>why is every new technology built in an ugly way, hard to repair, hard to recycle, pricey and shortlasting?
Impulse buying literally created a new market but to imply 'technology' is becoming worse is stupid. Like anything, the durable and efficient will be around for longer and continued to be manufactured. You think useless shit (albeit significantly less) wasn't produced 5 decades ago?
The impulse marketing is indirectly and loosely related with the core of the new 'technology' invented.
Because planned obsolescence serves two functions. Not only does it increase sales, which can then be turned into profits in the stock market, but it is used to lower inflation (on paper). Any improvements in technology are calculated as a lowering of cost, so that 4k tv is in the end calculated against inflation once it reaches a price relative to the 2k television.
There are tonnes of tricks like this. Hidden inflation is everywhere, milk and ice cream being prime examples. Much of the war on fat is tied into the reintroduction of waste product to the population. That skim milk is the waste from producing cheese, yoghurt, and ice cream. Then they just reintroduce 'milk ingredients' back into the milk/water slurry and sell it for massive profits. Ice cream is pumped full of air, which is just one of the reasons why it tastes like shit now. And meat has sulphites and other chemicals to allow it to hold much more water, increasing the real price while the marked price remains unchanged.
Enjoy watching that chicken breast halve in volume as you cook it.
Products aren't built to last because it means you won't have to buy a new one. They're purposefully built to break down and be shitty to get more money out of you. This is mostly with consumer products : Electronics,vehicles,etc.
based
>roughly 30 year lifespan for concrete exposed to elements. yet romans have concrete that gets stronger and more durable with time using ash and other common shit. they want it to fail. get a new eleventy billion dollar stadium in 20 years. just in time for name renewal and advertising rights.
redpill me about based roman cement?
Isnt the trick of roamn architecture based stone?
With proper masons, you dont even need cement. Pic rel 2000yo, no cement.
>You think useless shit (albeit significantly less) wasn't produced 5 decades ago?
nowhere near the level we have today
It is made this way because it is made by half-starved chinks and consumed in prosperous nations, so the actual cost of production for them is minimal.
In YE OLDE ways it was your fellow men who created tech and therefore it was relatively expensive, and there was sense to repair.
If you think that tech is expensive, you are either stupid or poor yourself.
>hard to repair
Not in Russia
as a result of globalism (NAFTA, transferring industry to China, mass migration, h1bs, open borders, free trade) the US economy has been in a depression for the last 20 years, creating the opioid and suicide epidemics. Median wage gains have been stagnant for decades. The U.S. labour force participation rate remains at multi-decade lows. Even our own light-hearted Big Mac deflator suggests that the U.S. economy is in a depression.
There, too, by a variety of measures—ranging from petroleum consumption to consumer goods production to the Cass Freight Index—the U.S. economy appears to have not grown much, if at all, since the turn of the millennium.
there was a series of articles recently about either gross negligence, or deliberate cooking of the books by the federal government regarding manufacturing data for the economy
some people dug in to the federal data and found a huge discrepancy
the feds don't just track raw numbers of goods, but they add a qualitative factor to them (not a bad thing in itself)
i.e. a F150 truck made in 2018 will be counted differently than a F150 truck made in 1988 due to the improvements in performance, longevity, safety etc., so if we are producing the same amount today as we were in the past then our economy has objectively grown
well the government also applied this qualitative reasoning to computer processors
due to the dramatic increase in computer processing power it was calculated that we experiencing a huge increase in manufacturing
virtually all of the increase in industrial production over the last 20 years or so was due to this one category distorting the figure; remove processors and some kinds of electronics from the data and you have stagnation and decline
my biggest pet peeve is how shit just doesn't fucking last anymore
fucking christ i remember buying some fucking boots and expecting them to last at least the next 10 years but now they rip on the first fucking rock you grind them against
it's fucking bullshit and i hate how it makes me sound like a boomer retard
>tfw an actual 25 year old boomer
>tfw bought an iphone SE when X just came out
I needed something to replace my dead 5 anyways.
>tfw still have an iphone 4s
you're not even entry level boomer yet friend
in india, streetshitting is calculated as manufacturing and is a major component of their GDP
Free software is useless without free hardware.
>I work in construction and tool repair it's never been easier to build, demolish, and repair shit.
same shit with carpentry and plyboards...if it would make your job eaiser it would be good, but the sheer volume of shit needed for destruct it makes it the same level of job.
>Fertilisers are perhaps the worst culprits as they pull the nutrients out/to the top of the soil, and new soil has to be constantly reintroduced or the farms turn into a desert.
>It is a disaster waiting to happen because it takes more energy to go into the system than we get out of it.
fertilisers...yeah, that Im familair with. Why dont they just put some animals to eat the bugs, there are more sustainable solutions. always are.
>fucking christ i remember buying some fucking boots and expecting them to last at least the next 10 years but now they rip on the first fucking rock you grind them against
look at the sole of this boot, its a Dunlop lacing method made so you can replace it after 10 years, with modern hiking shoes you cant do that. Remember when shoes used to cost a fortune? They still do but you pay the fortune in other ways.
Pic rel is made in USA btw.
its literally everywhere, throway tech built in China.
>inb4 hipster faggot
Just kill your self you fucking Luddite
yea, in the US being fucking stupid counts as an achivement.
Fucking rednecks. Don't you dare leaving the US.
fpbp
he's against planned obsolescence not technology in general you brainlet faggot
it's the way of capitalism. You Jow Forumstards should embrace that. The goal is maximum profit, not the best product.
To make you buy new shit. I tried to work on my hedge trimmers today & I shit you not, they used special headed screws to the motor compartment. With the holes so narrow practically nothing but a special tool would fit in them. A god damn hedge trimmer!
I swear when I get some money saved, I'm gonna start buying old shit (cars, equipment, etc) that was made to be worked on & last forever.
Yeah, there are only a few companies left. It's incredible that 100 years ago all of the boots were custom made and sized, but now with all of our supposed progress you are expected to adapt your foot to the uniform size.
Viberg or Nick's are the two best custom shops in North America, and their boots will last 5 times that of the box stores. But people look at the 500 dollar price tag and don't even consider it. The average person isn't capable of basic abstract math.
One thing I have heard though is that even these boots have fallen in quality because there are so few leather companies around. Very few people raising cows as they used to reduces the quality of the hides, and they are no longer allowed to preserve them as they used to. There was a chemical process that really toughened the leather which is now outlawed everywhere.
m8 i still use my grandad's JNA boots (the extra pair he had he stored in our basement)
they're still perfect
>is that the (((way of the future)))?
Yes, because capitalism
Red wing are absolute dog shit Ive owned three pairs and they each fell apart about 18 months in fucking garbage materiel
>Luddite
wtf is that? also get anal explosion but that electronic javascripted high tech dildo you are using you stupid faggot.
>it's the way of capitalism.
the shit I pointed out never existed under gold standard, only fiat money can allow such obscene overspending and throwaway garbage.
>I swear when I get some money saved, I'm gonna start buying old shit (cars, equipment, etc) that was made to be worked on & last forever.
hngg! I collect that stuff, such intelligent desing.
no shit, those are quality!
Well, that's the way on the small farms, but factory farms are so massive that it would be hard to pull off. I imagine the animals would destroy much of the crops and irrigation systems, while herding destroyed the rest.
They are only concerned with yields, which also means a lot of poison which would kill many smaller animals.
t. 19 year old croatian boomer
Yes, compare to the prices of Nick's boots or Viberg. Then you see what real boots cost these days.
i should start buying custom shoes tbqh
my dad has 3-4 pairs or something that have lasted him ages
with this retarded sneaker fad you buy new ones every 2 years
wait if you buy sneakers for 60 years that ends up being 3 pairs
average sneaker here is about 75 bucks or something, that's 2250 dollarydoos
fuck man the boomers had it right all along
Ok fair enough. Just really wanted to use the word Luddite. In a way it still applies but I stand corrected by your statement. Good day
>these houses are 2k yo
>built once
>last 30 generations
>dont have to rebuild them
>save money
>now worth even more since historical value
good investment
>I don't like anime therefore it is estrogen
i think they were from 1972 iirc
look a bit different from these
That's for liability reasons. Children's toys, kitchen appliances, etc., have those damned triangle-head screws to prevent you from interacting with the item in a way the designers did not predict. It's annoying.
we are building our own prison
Yeah we are fucked. It’s coming.
>we are building our own prison
I disagree with Ted partiallly, if designed with that purpouse, technology can make you more self sustainable
now if you faggots wanna go maximum boomer sit down and listen up
the biggest fucking scam of the century is a gym membership
if you get a membership in even the most basic bitch shitty neighborhood gym you're still getting ripped off
this goes doubly so in every city gym
i did the math for my area and my home gym paid off only after 3 years of regular gym membership payments
just 3 fucking years
if you do the math by assuming you'll work out the next 30 years you're literally being bled dry for no fucking reason
not to mention the fact that your kids can use your gym equipment after you die or whatever
don't get ripped of
get a home gym
ever noticed how recent tech "progress" is almost entirely in communications?
construction, agriculture is becoming worse and worse and more expensice, almost as if (((they))) are developing only those stuff that makes you more dependent and eaiser to control?
Pic related
agriculture has advanced quite substantially though m8rino
i don't remember the actual numbers but burgers with all their agricultural innovations outperform our grain production by square meter by a factor of 3 or 4
Somewhat true. "Planned Obsolescence"
However, technology changes. Would you really want a 30-year-old cell phone that has been drooled on with crumbs and scratches all over it?
Ear gunk all over the ear piece.
Not to mention that cell phones have changed dramatically in the past 15 years.
Sometimes innovation is good.
>ugly way
if you build it for functionality you do not care about design. a manufacturing machine in a working hall does not need to look like an ipod.
If you want a car that does look like a box with wheels, then go ahead and buy one. Just don't come back bitching when you realize that you need double the gas.
>lack of durability
Capitalism. If it is durable then it does not need to be replaced. If no replacements and maintenance are needed then you will not make any money after you have sold the product.
>ease of mainintence by basic tools
Modern technology tends to be more complicated and uses more electronics.
Your average car right now is at least ten times more complicated than the devices used to land on the moon.
Nobody is stopping you from buying old stuff that you can repair yourself user. Just remember that you will have to pay the power bill, and that you have to use those old devices yourself, while I enjoy my state of the art household appliances.
It's more important the less average your foot is. I have 4E with a high arch, so it's more valuable to me than someone with average width and normal arch.
You could always get you foot measured first to see. But even then they are more aesthetic, comfortable, and cheaper in the long run. Plus you have to put in the effort to care for them, which is actually satisfying. Also interesting how much the leather conforms to your feet.
They can feel like shit the first few weeks though, lmao. So be warned it takes a lot to break them in.
Bring back two stroke cars pls
Yeah, the only reason to pay is if you are getting good instruction. As in martial arts or powerlifting.
No, you're stupid. A big part of the reason why I go to a gym is because of the other people there. It's a very subconscious motivating factor while you're there. If I'm at home, what do I fucking care?
Eat shit.
>I have 4E with a high arch
i literally don't know what that means
we use numbers for sizes not letters
>which is actually satisfying
couldn't agree more
always loved keeping my oldass boots clean
but i keep my sneakers dirty as a gypsy
>literally can't lift things up and down without people talking around him
pathetic
have fun getting jewed
you can get a lifting coach on the internet for cheaper
if you want to learn fighting then you're 100% right
Cars once were made that well.
youtube.com
Not the newest of videos, but that tractor was once a car that that saw decades of constant use doing hard work.
Last I checked it was still going
Henry Ford was /ourguy/ in every way.
I found a 1971 Ariens snowblower on the side of the road.
No safety features. It keeps running and driving by itself if you let it go.
Built solid like a tank. Made in the United States.
These new shit blowers rust out after 2 years.
t. lonely cunt
fucking love that pic. So true
2 years for sneakers?
Most people buy a pair every few months
>agriculture has advanced quite substantially though m8rino
yes, but we still dont get healthy food, sure we arent as hungry as we were 30years ago, but some quality is definetly missing.
>custom shoes
zagreb is one of best places to get them, very affordable also.
We have people from US flying here to get custom shoes and its still with the plane ticked cheaper than getting custom in USA.
youtube.com
>Henry Ford was /ourguy/ in every way.
model T is how most tech should be designed - primtiive, durable, affordable, low mainintence. user friendly.
make phone with upgradeable ram and processor
for the vape bro hobbyist mod scene
intrinsic motivation my friend
>make phone with upgradeable ram and processor
this! they could literally make them that way. most phone become obsolete because of lack of software updates, not hardware.
Motivation doesn't matter in the long term. It's Discipline. You can be motivated at the gym, or you can be motivated at home. It doesn't matter. What DOES matter is being disciplined enough to keep going.
Really? I haven't bought a new pair of sneakers in nearly 5 years
They take up so much space tho user. Why can't I just drive to the gym? Its only like $8 a month
Depends on your lifestyle and climate.
In the dirty winter months, sneakers get trashed.
I have tons of old sneakers that are YEARS old but they're trash ones I wear for working on the car, mowing the grass, yard work, etc.
t. 30 something boomer
There has been practically no innovation in the last 15 years. At all. Really you could make the case its been much longer than that. Cell phones/computers are the only exception and even that is stagnant as fuck. 90% of the technology I see people around me consuming is literal garbage that does not improve their lives in any way what so ever, and is frequently just an over-engineered shittier version of something that was already invented >50 years prior. The bulk of the "innovation" in the past 15 years has been in figuring out how to scam people out of their money more effectively.
There has been a shift in mentality. I don't know of a person younger than me that aspires to do something with their life that will yield something useful, add to the body of human knowledge, or in some matter just make peoples lives "better" on average. Instead you see kids come to pol to shill their youtube content trying to become ecelebs, or get rich quick or whatever. I'm sure its worse on other social media but I cant stomach that to give you a specific example. Its fucking gross and its everywhere.
.t 29 year old boomer
>why is every new technology built in an ugly way, hard to repair, hard to recycle, pricey and shortlasting?
are you some kind of idiot?
It's to make the shareholders more money by having products that have to be re-bought every few years.
smartphone style is the new buisiness model... superficial improvements, short lasting product, repeat buisiness.
Some buisinesses are even going to wards a more "Leasing" or "Renting" based buisiness model, because it increases dividend payments.
>technology hate thread
the absolute state of pol lmao
Its embarrassing really. That we've gotten so caught up in bottom lines & planned obsolescence, we've let quality go right out the fucking window. Its just to be expected now.
Even our precious firearms ain't built like they used to be. A lot are, but many aren't. And the ((500 round break in period)) has to be one of the biggest Jewed memes I've ever seen.
Read Ellul's The Technological Society, Hrvoje.
I live in the Midwest and never had winter destroy my shoes. I think you're just getting jewed
>There has been practically no innovation in the last 15 years. At all. Really you could make the case its been much longer than that. Cell phones/computers are the only exception and even that is stagnant as fuck.
THIS
THIS
THIS
was what I was talking about, its all about over-specialization and final touches, but nothing genuinly revolutionary or nobel is being discovered.
Unless you consider plastic BPA dishes a discovery...
its an rethorical question you tit.
>Read Ellul's The Technological Society, Hrvoje.
Ill look it up Johnyboy.
>phasades
There's no commercial benefit from making something durable. Especially with idiot consumers dumping say a netbook after 3 years.
If you make the manuals available to everyone then you don't have a lucrative monopoly on repairing the item. It's more profitable for say Apple or John Deer to misuse copyright law in order to control the repair market.
It's a modern form of colonialism. You have to buy everything from the company store.
>There's no commercial benefit from making something durable.
Under fiat economy, yes.
Under genuine gold standard capitalism people would be more wise with their money and industry would addapt.
You still have some nieche markets that provide 90% of cheap repairable parts and make ultra durable products which is how they market them to specific customers.
>Cell phones/computers are the only exception
I'm a programmer and that's only partially true. The processor market a cartel. Rather then shrinking the die size and working on other real innovations they just started clustering more processors together.
So today you have a die the size of a frying pan and a heat sink like a car radiator and that's fucking innovation.
>It's to make the shareholders more money by having products that have to be re-bought every few years.
When a company is publicly owned it's A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. This is why the games market is full of micro-transactions.
>The bulk of the "innovation" in the past 15 years has been in figuring out how to scam people out of their money more effectively.
unironically this.
You can design shit so ppl can maintain it even after there are no software updates from the manufacturer. The are still 80s Commodore computers running today.
Any new hardware is not only designed to be obsolete but they straight fucking disable it over the internet. Instead of say making it open-source and letting the community maintain the old device and online services if they want to the scum owners just turn it off.