Which one was more important in WW2?

Without burgers war lasted 2-3 more years,

The Soviets. Hitler fucked Germany with Generalplan Ost.

Without burgers Soviets would have lost.

Keep in mind they would still have to invade Japan. Not starved Manchukuo IJA on land with 30 year old supplies, I mean actual Japan, with an amphibious landing. Amphibious landing. This phrase terrifies Russians more than "no more vodka."

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Its kikes psyop dude, neither such plan was ever find neither its had been done, nazis just hadint had a choise either they attack with small of succseed either soviets crush them with 800 000 paratroops, 20 00 tannks and 15 000 planes

USSR made up the death camp stories because they had captured the records from the labor camps and were tasked to create propaganda against the Germans for hologib money. Only 38,031 jews died between 35 and 45 but none were incinerated or gassed to death.
Russians were being paid by Rothschild and Black Nobility fro their efforts to further vilify Germans and eventually all white folks

Well sibirian front was pushed to defend capital in 1941 october, so its means that atleast they wasint affraid that nips attack, but yeah yanks did most at the east,

Russia would invade Germany first if he didn't make the first move. If Soviet Union was first to strike, Germany would fall quickly, and Hitler knew that. He was only left with one choice.

Germany needed oil for the Blietz Krieg. At the time Russia was one of the biggest oil producers. That's why it was a mistake by his generals to try and take Moscow, when Hitler knew that the oil was in the south but he listened too much to them at the end.

The Russians could have beat the Germans by themselves, I mean they basically did the lend lease to them wasn’t really that much in the grand scheme of things, lend lease to the UK was far more valuable and effective. Secondly why would they have to invade japan?? The USSR only got involved in the east on the request of the west.

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America sacrificed resources.

Commies sacrificed people.

Based

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Who would have invaded europe after 1942? British alone? I know we played a small part but britain was set up to get btfo

nah, without burgers all of europe would be speaking russian. wwii was lost at stalingrad.

>commies
>people

everyone was important really

us easy

it wasn't all muh nazi germany.

Fuck you mom. Not everyone gets the most important award

his mom does

for most important slut

>his mom
>in a reply to me.
Are you a leaf on vacation?

Leaf is right "Russia"as you call it would done it by them selfs they would had marched to france and in about 1947

that's the rational logic. But with hindsight we can say that Hitler should have found it in him to wait just 5-10 years longer, even if it looked bleak. Then the nuclear bomb would have been developed and the huge wars as we know them would be obsolete. Mussolini himself noted that he expected Russia to attack sometimes in the 50s, Stalin would have took his time. Germany should have had faith in itself, new technology was just around the corner. Same goes for today as well, if America just invests in developing new technologies no one can ever force them into a corner, either by trade war or political isolation

its true for ww2 though everyone did a sacrifice

Well, I suppose that's probably why it wasn't a big deal to them.

Neither would have won without the other.

USSR could have done it by themselves eventually with millions more dead and more years of suffering. USA shortened the war, but did not win it.

Lend-lease is hilariously overrated and no one outside the US talks about it. Stop drinking your state propaganda burger bros.

You make a good case, I would argue though that using the American fleet forcing the Nips to fight in the Pacific kept the Soviet far east from being attacked and really amplifying the pressure against Russia saved them the most

Wasted trips

But all facts showed what red dawn would break before winter:

As if our government cares about spreading propaganda about how we kicked ass in WW2. They only care about pushing for open borders and race mixing these days that's the only propaganda they are putting out these days

us also provided a lot of supplies to the soviets and the British. without that Britain would have been forced to surrender.

US* not 'us'

It literally is not state propaganda, it's the truth.

95% of Russia's trucks were Studebakers from America. You severely underestimate the importance of logistics like those, especially in a wide theater of war with huge supply lines.

and starving pajeets

This, except that italy the traitor doesn't belong to the noble japanese-german alliance.

Even before Pearl harbour soviet spy infromed that japs wont attack SU becouse they was btfo at mongolia before so you claim is dull
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge

I think the point is Britain and Russia both did far more in WW2 than the US.

The question is did the US do more than China... I personally don’t know as I know next to nothing about China and the Pacific front

I don't think so anons, wouldn't taking Moscow been the move to make? The Soviet chain of command would have collapsed had the city been taken and the armies couldn't be compelled to fight the way they did

The Soviet’s but “more important” is hard to say, the allies needed us production to really turn the tides of the war

Bahahaha no. What trucks did the soviets use for Katyushas? Our Studebakers. What trains did they use for transport? Considering Soviets made 6 new trains total the entire war, ours. What planes did they fly? Our Airacobras until 1945 when they finally built a YAK that could outfight an ME-109. What recon units did they use? Our Greyhounds because the BA-15 was fucking retarded and they knew it. What tanks did 1st Guards and all Guards divisions use, train, operate, maintain and support by 1945? Our Shermans, not their own T34s. Without us there would be no victory, period unless the Soviets could magically produce anything that wasnt a T34 that wouldnt blow up for 4/5 of the war.

We could teach any idiot to use our weapons and we did, and an idiot without a tank or plane is just an idiot.

>american education

everyone outside the U.S talks about it.

US and British loans gave the USSR the mobility to win against the Mechanised Germans. People don't realise the extent that the Red Army was fucked up by May 1945, they were on the verge of collapse simply due to war exhaustion and logistical issues.

Something the OKW knew and were trying to stall and let happen to convince the Allies to join them against the USSR after Hitler was gone but it was too late.

British intelligence fucking lmao the eternal Anglo strikes again.

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>memeflag

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The USA provided enough supplies for the Soviets to field 60 divisions, fully one quarter of their meals (and certainly more than 25% of their food calories), 400,000 Jeeps and Trucks, over 12,000 armored vehicles (including over 7,000 tanks), fully one third of all Soviet ordinance, over 2.5 million tons of gasoline and diesel, in addition to half of all Soviet aviation fuel. All of this while providing for forces of their own fighting oceans away. Without the USA, the Soviets would have lost. The reverse cannot be said.

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And to this day they say they won it singlehandedly and we did nothing. At the same time they blame us entirely for Nazi Germany's fall and shit on our veterans for "fighting for the jews" while gushing over Red Army veterans because based Russia.

I hate Euros so goddamn much.

Nambia. The Cold War was over the caves in Nambia. The Germans knew, the allie maols knew. The Jews like green beens. #Truthout There's a massive 'pork rind' collection of giraffe foreskins there. It pretends to be a Museum to a 32nd reptilian mason of the different Popes dick skin, but to the 3Xith; its a giraffe foreskin 'pork rind' beef jerky festival. That's the number 14, section ,P, top secret shit of this world niggers.

Just don't say you didn't know about giraffe foreskin pork rinds nigger.

Trying to take Stalingrad was a huge mistake done by Hitler. They should have left it alone and take oil fields in caucasus isolating Stalingrad.
The Blitzkrieg came to a halt and gave Stalin enough time for counteroffensives.

No, helping fucking Mussolini was a huge mistake for Hitler, not killing a fuckton of Russians who just keep coming.

Maybe

The fucking question is who did more. Not did everyone do something lul

I think the soviets did because most of them died

Lets see that flag fag

The Axis allies went pretty balls deep actually into Russia, including Italy. You just don't have much to conquer there when the people are brainwashed and everything is at your limits of reach by its nature. They just faded into the background. Russia has and had room to play like others don't regarding territory. Its a great advantage. Plus the allys helped and giraffe pork rind foreskin festivals worked their mason magic.

>British brains, American brawn and Russian blood
More like British resistance, American money and Russian blood

To be fair Russia paid the debt off in full. I remember when they did, they made a huge show that it marked us even steven. Eurotrash on the other hand as usual pretended they didnt understand what numbers and other than the Eternal Anglo and kids never bothered to pay it off. When I saw how they are still repairing Dresden and parts of France back in 2008 after we bombed the fuck out of them I fucking smiled because both of those Jews deserved it.

There we go.

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>helping fucking Mussolini was a huge mistake for Hitler
This and going for Ukraine when they were about to take Moscow

We could have won singlehandedly although with more losses and it would have taken longer
None else were even close to such power

we were both equally important. Russian men basically defeated he brunt of the German Army. but Russian soldiers marched in American boots, filled their bellies with American SPAM, and towed their field guns with American Studebakers.

By that analogy the Poles contributed the most to the western front because they blocked bullets with their faces and actually trusted Russians like dumbasses at Katyn.

yea but its a part of why we were so strong after the war is not all of our goyim died like thiers

Trolling or not, that is the most retarded possible method for calculating contribution in the war.
>lol our shit tactics and leadership caused millions of avoidable deaths so we contributed most
The U.S. covered half the god damn planet with less casualties than what we sustained in our Civil War, while also supplying a dozen allies, one of which had the bulk of their tank force made up of American tanks. And don't forget about this either.

So america was like russias housewife? And they are equal lululul

Without Soviet involvement and Hitler going full force on Brits and you guys it was a matter of if Heisenberg and his team caved in and gave the atomic bomb before you developed it

russia would have had to surrender without US aid

How are the Germans going to get an atomic bomb to New York?

No dumbass, I meant with the war in greece, it delayed Germany's invasion till the winter, all because Mussolini didn't get any gibs.

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>Was
You think this shit’s over, nigga? Finna get dabbed on.

The soviets would have been steamrolled without US supply. Anyone who says different knows nothing about how logistically fucked Russia was without American vehicles to move their shit around.

>So america was like russias housewife?
Havent laugh this hard in a while
Good joke comrade very true

Pretty verifiabally wrong, but ok. Being shit doesn't make you good, too Canadian for me. The germans were killing the Soviets at a 2.5-1 rate in the last few months even. The Soviet Union vs Germany part of the war is a great example of stupidity of overconfidence and bad planning. The Russians just threw bodies into graves fighting them, with massive foreign assistance and just had 75429 tactical advantages. Its quite pathetic really upon study to know that the only reason the Russians played a role in the war was because it was too big too fail in multiple ways.

>US
>not kike slaves

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The Germans had no aircraft capable of reaching the U.S. even from Britain, despite their autistic Amerika Bomber program Hitler was obsessed with. They claim a plane did make it to America on a spy mission and stayed in the area for about 15 minutes, but that's without a payload. Maybe they could have developed an aircraft capable of reaching the U.S. carrying a payload, but it would be a one way trip and entirely reliant upon not being shot down.

Junkers, Heinkel, and Focke Wulf worked on large bomber projects during the war, not enough money was spent with no results coming from the krauts' a-bomb project

They probably would have further developed the Heinkel He 177

If there were no Soviet side to fight, probably the Nazis would have had way more to spend in that regard

>Chile
>not even worth the kikes time

>cuck and proud
"pathetic" doesn't begin to describe you

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It took the germans only 7 days to destroy 90% of all your retarded biplane aircraft Ivan. You think anybody gave a single fuck about Russian infantry?

You had ONE competant general, no aircraft, no trains and cars from the 1920's and only enough ammo and food for six months when they hit Stalingrad and tankers so badly trained STuG 3's had a 1:28 kill ratio. Do Russian women have magic litters of instant 18 year old men? You were fucked 30 ways from Sunday because Stalin killed your best and brightest during the purge in 1936 and still suffering from the effects of Holodomor.

You spent people you didnt have the luxury of spending because your equipment was fucking retarded and if you kept on being retards they wouldve bled you dry which nearly happened even with our help. You think the UK wouldve invaded Germany? They had 6 Spitfires to defend their whole country by the end of Battle of Britain. If the Germans actually fucking hit you with Afrika Corps and Ost Corps at the same time they wouldve hit your grandparents so hard you wouldve felt it.

Perhaps, but again it relies upon it not being shot down and I seriously doubt they would have been able to develop one capable of a return trip. The B-17 with a payload could only barely reach Britain from the U.S. The B-29 could reach much farther according to wikipedia, but it does not clarify if that is with or without a load. They also could not develop a fighter capable of escorting something effectively at that range, they would be easy pickings for any and all interceptors. It is entirely unreliable and foolish to "what if" when talking about Germany against the U.S. using the atomic bomb they may or may not have been able to develop given more time and money.

Be fair, they had two competent Generals, Zhukov and Konstantin Rokossovsky. Though, I guess you can count Rokossovsky as being Polish instead of Soviet if you wish.

Based Mussolini, what a lad. Italy didn't deserve him.

Ok spic.

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cuck

Y’all were borderline genocide by both man and nature

The whole argument is based on the big "what if Hitler wasn't fighting Soviets meanwhile fighting Brits and Burgers", the post I originally replied to said that
> Without the USA, the Soviets would have lost. The reverse cannot be said
I think that's not entirely true, the Eastern front was a disaster for Hitler in terms of economics, morale and manpower lost to the fukken commies, you can't say that didn't affect how the nazis fought the western side

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lmfaooo be quiet