If God came down from the sky right now how would Christians really know it's God and not just some higher being who can come down from the sky? They'd need to know everything else in all reality is not God to properly say
>that's God!
But if Christians had all knowledge they'd also be all-powerful because knowledge is power. Should they become all-knowing and all-powerful then they have become the God, or if we go the humble route, his equal and peer. In either case, the pursuit for God prompts the search for knowledge which eventually exposes the God/worshiper relationship embarrassingly inadequate (why would you worship what you're equal to?). And the same logic applies to the many Pagan deities. With this understanding we see no one spiritual tradition can claim theological superiority. This revelation requires a new context in which we should all place religion, and by shifting our understanding we eliminate the hazards of religion, turning man's systems from ideology which enslave to ones that liberate.
This kills the religious D&C
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Here is the logic which perfects spirituality:
Religion is from Latin word which means "to bind" -- as one might bind himself to oaths or duties. How you wish to live your life, either as a degenerate or a National Socialist, is your Religion (no theology required). Spirituality are psychological methods to re-condition your mind to think in ways proper to your Religion (the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak!). You may want to stop smoking or whatever but it's very difficult to actually conquer one's own impulses, and this is where spiritual practices come into play -- they're just mental programming. And with this understanding it's possible to create new spiritual traditions, free from superstition and yet still embracing the mystical awe of which addicts many to blind faith.
sage this shit
>oy vey dont attack our religious d&c, goy!
>muh god muh jebus
The current bible is a heresy that goes back to the 4th century. It's all lies and bs thanks to the catholics
kys retard
who said the bible isn't lies and bs?
>muh religious d&c tho
That's why they're so terrified of Satan tricking them, even though they willingly voted him into office. They know that they are not capable of telling angel from demon.
true. just gotta virtue signal and the boomers afraid of dying will do anything you ask.
>God comes down, just chills around, Gods existence clearly proven
>God is irrevocably proven not not exist
Either way I have to get up for work in the morning and pay my bills and my neck will still hurt when I turn my head a certain way. Nothing changes on a practical level.
Stop caring about this shit.
>Another angry and bitter atheist
Shocking.
where's your counter argument?
Most of it is just rambling from an individual who has never studied religious literature and is thereby inevitably building an argument, on false pre-suppositions. This demonstrates a lack of intellectual integrity on your behalf and I can merely count 90% of that out by telling you to inform yourself on your opponents positions, first, then try to dismantle them. And no, I will not lay this out for you, that is your job to do, before you make this kind of thread. I can easily disprove a central tenant of yours, however.
>With this understanding we see no one spiritual tradition can claim theological superiority
The more "true" your philosophy, when practiced faithfully, will manifest more "good".
AND
The less "true" your philosophy, when practiced faithfully, will manifest more "bad".
True or False?
The first paragraph of your post was ad hominem and kvetching.
>The more "true" your philosophy, when practiced faithfully, will manifest more "good".
>yes or no?
What good has your religion in particular produced?
Fuck off, deceiver. Die out already. The world is tired of you.
Christianity is textbook D&C
not an argument.
You wrote something trying to sound smart, but came off as incredibly dumb.
please see:
cool thx will give it a watch
lol your religion is a work of fiction
>16,000 different denominations
>Yet not D&C
No
No, it's just a fact. You lack the understanding of the religious worldview, to argue against it. Simple as that.
>What good has your religion in particular produced?
Doesn't answer the question.
You said:
>The more "true" your philosophy, when practiced faithfully, will manifest more "good".
to which I replied:
>what good has your particular religion done
If your claim is true then your religion, assuming it's superior to all others, is responsible for the most amount of good in the world. So what good is that, user?
The entire new testament is a metaphor.
Jesus is a metaphor for Sun worship.
God's Sun (Son) is the light of the world.
a very hermetic view, user
Quit shifting the goalposts. I will get to that part, when you're ready for it. First you must admit, your little theory of moral subjectivity falls flat on its face.
Because the Bible explicitly states the conditions under which Jesus will come back, and the antichrist that will precede Him.
Do five minutes of research before posting these horrible threads.
>With this understanding we see no one spiritual tradition can claim theological superiority.
Christianity is the only religion with reliability and historical truth backing up its claims. 5700+ manuscripts (the most scribed book in history is the NT), with the oldest matching the newest, the books were complete between 30 and 80 AD because the gospels were quoted by early church letters, non-Biblical sources wrote about Jesus (tacitus on christ, josephus on Jesus), and ALL of the apostles plus Paul were martyred when they could've lived by simply saying what they saw was not the truth. But they wouldn't. And it had nothing to do with promised salvation, Christianity doesn't require martyrdom. They were killed for what they insisted they saw -- Christ living performing miracles, dying innocent, and rising on the third day (as witnessed by 5000 people and written about by those who it took incredibly great lengths to create the texts we now know).
Please, research the historical truth of the bible.
sage
>your little theory of moral subjectivity falls flat on its face
user I didn't claim morality is subjective but claimed spirituality is just psychological conditioning aiding people to live according to the values or Religion. We agree the most superior philosophy will result in the most good, but seeing as all modern religious practice does not produce good entirely but also great evils, there is not one superior philosophy. Instead, there can only be superior and inferior perspectives through which we may view all philosophies, rendering them good or bad.
What good has your religion done which makes it superior to all others?
atheism is the ideology of cuckery and degeneracy
How old do you think the Bible is, user? The oldest known Torah scroll is only 800 years old, created not long after the Khazars converted to Judaism. Torah is not 4,000 years old like kikes claim. It's a scam. Both Torah and NT are self-fulfilling prophesies -- the Zionist plot if ancient.
agreed
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>Still doesn't answer the question.
Alright bro, if you're not interested in going through a Socratic dialogue to find your contradictions, fine.. I got better things to do today.
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Just to expose your shit, "gotcha" question, on my way out the door. The greatest manifestations of European Civilization came under either Greco/Roman Paganism or Christianity. Both obvious religious worldviews. Now if, you had answered the question, to which you refused to answer. You would have been left with the undeniable realization that the religious worldview has proven more true then your godless worldview.
>The greatest manifestations of European Civilization came under either Greco/Roman Paganism or Christianity.
Rome fell with Christianity.
Witch burnings occurred with Christianity.
Science was demonized with Christianity.
Even today the vast majority of Christians defend Israel.
>still didnt answer the question
because i didnt say morality is subjective like you claimed i did.
>Carolingian Renaissance
>Ottonian Renaissance
Nice memes. The 20 years people lived under stable empires in the middle-ages and were able to develop culture, before getting sacked again, doesn't make for a "Renaissance". All the other ones were under a "pagan" mindset... "Renaissance" means the "rebirth" of european values from the past...
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This.
God wouldn't let me be deceived by another, he's promised.
good rebuttal
Why not read up on those historical points in our history, instead of remaining ignorant?
>because i didnt say morality is subjective like you claimed i did.
Point still stands. You cant answer it, because you know where it leads. To the refutation of your godless worldview.
user is arguing against Paganism. I'm not. I'm arguing in favor of the religious worldview, holding Ancient greco-Roman paganism above Godlessness.
He ironically proves you wrong. The only thing capable of holding a torch to the great Pagan civilizations, was Christianity. Not your Godless, post enlightenment worldview.
>Posts graph
>Doesn't have a source
Nigger
Oh, I didn't read the posts. I don't like atheists, but praising mock "christian renaissances" in the dark ages is just wrong. And "muh civilization" stuff is also bullshit.
Paganism and Christians both produce good and evil. By calling either "good" you are confirming your own bias.
God will not come down from the sky until the events in the book of Revelation. In fact we are warned that a false prophet (the "Antichrist") will come before him and most people will be convinced that he is the second coming of Christ. It is not until the sun and moon are darkened on the Day of the Lord that we will know for sure that it's the real Jesus.
>God will not come down from the sky until the events in the book of Revelation.
See: how would you know it's God?
John wrote seven copies of the book of Revelation and mailed it off to seven different churches all around Asia minor. It is incredibly unlikely that all seven copies were corrupted in exactly the same way 1900 years ago. We have since lost the original manuscripts to the ages but they were copied and sent all over the world. It is easy to tell if a copy was tampered with since there are so many identical copies everywhere. The Bible is the most well preserved ancient text by far.
The oldest known Torah scroll is 800 years old.
All evidence points to the Khazars manufacturing Torah shortly after they converted in 760 AD. Torah commands the Jews to conquer the world and even teaches them how to get started, while the NT appears to show Jews how to finalize their conquest. Biblical prophesies are self-fulfilling.
I see the demonically influenced are working overtime on this Lord's Day. Must still be seething about that righteous get
feel free to articulate a counter-argument. my thread is for open and friendly debate.
>How would you know it's God?
It will be evident. Furthermore, He will know His children.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Jesus will not touch down on the mount of olives as a conquerer until after He has extracted His children in the rapture. "To meet Him in the air" We'll know it's Jesus because we will meet Him face to face.
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>he thinks Christianity is a patio
>he only gives a shit about christianit
Kike pls go and stay go
Did you not see me point out Paganism's inadequacies as well? I claimed all modern religions are insufficient. Where is your argument?
I'm kind of assuming you aren't really interested in knowing the truth, but rather are trying to give people an exercise in proper debate. It's easy to start a debate when talking about religion, so good job there. One thing I consider, and I'm sure you do as well, to be important is a credible source. Where do you see that the oldest Torah is 800 years old? I have a very hard time believing that.
Throwing a token "fuck vargfags, too" doesn't make this thread any less transparent moshe, now fuck off with your obvious anti white thread, and kindly look into esotericism before you put a bullet at the base of your neck. I'll give my pagan friends a cross to beat you with for eternity in the afterlife
I would ask for a source. Also, why would the NT be a guide for Jews? It bashes them everywhere.
Why would the NT be a guide for Jews? It bashes them everywhere.
you arent even attempting to discuss religion and it's political applications.
>esotericism
I'm well versed in the metaphysical, occult, and magickal philosophies. What about it would you like to discuss?
He doesn't have any idea what he's fucking talking about, it's pretty obvious. If we can accept that niggers evolving separately from us makes then separate, but when a kike wants to convince you that following Christ isn't the way, that logic dissolves
>It bashes them everywhere.
Christianity is simply Reformed Judaism.
The NT commands Christians to convert all the world -- to reformed Judaism. The NT claims God will build his kingdom on Earth in the New Jerusalem... which is Palestinian land, and so "New Jerusalem" is Zionism. NT still claims Jews are God's chosen while the gentiles are "dogs are the master's table." NT promotes the worship of the Jewish God, who is nothing more than an ancient Hebrew war deity. Etc.
>well versed
No, you are quite evidently not, since you're so fucking braindead you unironically think in a post modern manner. Now kindly fuck off with your obvious attack on whites.
>NT still claims Jews are God's chosen
Objectively false, go be a kike somewhere else
>you are quite evidently not
so prove me uneducated and engage in a debate on the esoteric. you may even choose the topic.
Christianity is simply Reformed Judaism.
Christians are God's newly chosen, correct?
Christianity is Judaism for non-Hebrews.
It's a deception which still renders Jews as his Chosen.
Ah there it is,
>Complete
>Torah
>Scroll
Manuscripts exist that are FAR older. The only reason the one you brought up is significant is because it is a complete Torah in the form of a scroll. The oldest complete Bible is over 1600 years old, and there are many, many fragmented manuscripts that are even older.
Here is article by the same publisher.
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This is literally pilpul you fucking kike, you're not arguing the facts as they lay, you're spinning a yarn of bullshit which relies on itself to cover for the fact that you know nothing. Don't build a rhetorical argument based on your interpretation of facts, state them plainly and let them lie. Only you won't because you know for a fucking fact that Christ is the one true way, and that he made it very clear that jews are not welcome in his new covenant. Go light youraelf on fire so some niggers can see theyr crack pipe vetter you filthy fucking yid
user even the oldest known *fragments* only date to the 3rd or 4th century.
24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26But Jesus replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27“Yes, Lord,” she said, “even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
NT claims non-Jews are simply dogs at the master's (Jewish) table.
>If
Your argument died with the very first word you typed. What a waste of double doubles.
The religion of Judaism is built upon the covenant that God made with Abraham, yes? Is Christianity based upon a covenant God made with Abraham? No, it is based on the covenant God made with mankind that He came to save them from their sin and restore them to a right relationship with Himself.
>using mistranslations
Typical kike bullshit. Israel is the people of God, it doesn't refer to a place, or the people from the old testament unless they abandoned their ways to follow Christ. You could not know less any more obviously
make a counter argument, user.
>yes?
No. Abraham didn't even exist. The Old Testament is a collection of text Jews based on older Aryan Scripture, most notably the Avesta. The Jewish God is simply an ancient Hebrew pagan war deity. Jews did not create monotheism -- Aryans did.
>israel isn't a place
Deuteronomy 30:5
"The LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers.
>If God came down from the sky right now how would Christians really know it's God and not just some higher being who can come down from the sky?
We would know for sure that it's not God. God is an externalization of the 'Good Creator' inside each of us just as Satan is the 'Evil Destroyer' in each of us. He is expressed as a sky-daddy in order to convey the idea to the remarkably dim populous.
You will note that in that passage, "the land" is not referred to as Israel, you dumb fuck, and continuing to use passages from the same mistranslations will earn you no brown points you filthy kike fuck
>He is expressed as a sky-daddy in order to convey the idea to the remarkably dim populous.
how to re-educate the remarkably dim populous on this point?
>haha the land of Israel isn't really land at all!
...
Did you read your own article? It clearly states that there are older manuscripts. Furthermore, you keep posting the Torah: the old Jewish covenant, not manuscripts from the gospels or letters of Paul which contain Christian teachings. Finally, the article also states that despite its age, the fragment reads identically to modern texts.
>If God came down from the sky right now how would Christians really know it's God and not just some higher being who can come down from the sky?
They'd kill him. Just as they did his son. Humanity is God's enemy.
>This translation
Literally what is this? It's terrible.
oldest known fragments of torah is 1,500 years old. only the Dead Sea Scrolls are older and it's from these text the Torah was produced.
>not manuscripts from the gospels or letters of Paul which contain Christian teachings.
Christianity is simply Reformed Judaism, do you agree? If no, why not?
and which translation do you prefer? let's look at the same verse.
First you have to get them to engage. Folks have too many distractions and many interpretations of the faith at their disposal that most take the lazy way and join a denom-church that puts their own spin on things rather than reading the bible for themselves.
Yes. Israel refers to the people of God, not the land they live on, go be a filthy kike somewhere else. I notice you're on your back heel now, are you sweating yet?
>Abraham didn't even exist.
Kek. Prove the existence of your mystery Aryans, then. You can't. That is, without referencing ancient texts that I may or may not believe the credibility of. By the same token, I cannot prove the existence of Abraham without referencing ancient texts that you may or may not believe the credibility of. This was an excellent debate, friend, but I think we've reached stalemate. I hope to run into you again.
You will know them by their fruit. Grapes aren't gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they?
True. Have you tried this method yourself?
>israel isn't land
2 Chronicles 2:17
Solomon took a census of all the foreigners RESIDING IN ISRAEL, after the census his father David had taken; and they were found to be 153,600.
>Prove the existence of your mystery Aryans, then. You can't.
There are mummies, user. DNA. And, of course, text.... texts which prove they invented the concept of one God, one Devil, Heaven, and even Hell.
true
>continuing to use mistranslations
Oh, yeah, those foreigners residing among the people of God really prove to me your rhetorical kike bullshit alright.
lol which translation do you prefer then? you seem unable to say.
You mean re-educate the dim populous, or read the bible myself?
I've done the latter. Still working on the nuts and bolts of the former.
Ah, I'm glad you're working on it. The best strategy I've found so far is proving Christianity is just a copy-cat of Zoroastrianism, but even this doesn't seem to break the cognitive dissonance.
>I'm so fucking retarded I genuinely think that any one translation of a several thousand year old document that specifically forbade the pageantry of man made churches will reveal what Christ intended for his followers
Like I said, hilariously and obviously unequipped to even begin comprehending the esoteric. Fuck off kike. I'll get the ball rolling though, forget about the scofield bible entirely
God can't come down from the sky, God is reality. See Pantheism and Thomas Aquinas.
>make a counter argument, user.
You would have to provide an argument to counter. If statements are not arguments.
>hurr sure I know all about esotericism guise but I don't know the first fucking thing about the egregore our one true creator left behind
Fucming pathetic that you think you're the smart one, here
>I'm so retarded I'm actually not going to give you my source and act all condescending like I somehow won the argument
>he cant say which translation he prefers because he knows they all say the same thing and I'm right
the absolute state of jews
>See Pantheism and Thomas Aquinas
now yur talkin. love me some Aquinas.
All religious systems are inadequate and ultimately result in suffering for the reasons given in the OP. If you disagree how come?
The post you're responding to claims Christianity is merely a copy-cat of Zoroastrianism. If you disagree, why?
>Which religion is D&Cing the white race?
Pagans currently.
Every time I see Christians talking it's always about bringing our civilization back to higher standards.
Aren't Christian denominations preaching against things like Cultural Marxism also preaching Zionism?
Fuck off kike.
Jesus came to fulfill God's covenant with Abraham. To fulfill the law since you kikes are such wicked evil people you couldn't do it yourselves. Now we find salvation and citizenship in the kingdom of God not by following some 2000 year old laws shat on over and over by Chaim and Schlomo, but by believing on Jesus Christ who gave his life for us.