Meat is Murder

Angus cattle rancher here, AMA.

We're not a huge industrial project, we've been using land that my ancestors has since 1836, with a few new purchases now and then. We have roughly 2,000 cows and 40 bulls.

You're not minimizing you're effect, you're increasing it if anything

How do you compete with Argentina and Brazil who are the biigest meat producers in the bottom continent?

Planting a corn field requires it to be plowed and tilled, often ran-over with an irrigation several times during dry months, etc.; and finally harvested.

It's more feasible for small animals and their dens, etc. to survive an occasional grazing cow.

IDK, we sell ours to a feed lot in Kansas that holds them for a few months until other companies by them for their beef products.

BTW, Burger King is owned by Brazilians, so don't support them.

Hows the pressure from the bigger ops? We had to get out of cows (Only did about 50 at a time) years ago because it stopped being profitable

I can understand meat with it being killing of animals but why diary?
You kill in a bigger sense by eating planta then by eating diary since its microbes vs plants and plants are closer to human than microbes in the phylosophycal sense

>birth defects
where's the problem? they're liberals - they can simply abort their brood

This is what I meant by "irrigator", BTW.

We have roughly 600 acres that we use to grow corn, and 2 of these irrigators. They rotate 360 degrees around a pivot, and are supplies by a giant pool we dug that has a diesel-powered water pump.

Part of the corn is used to make silage to feed cows (entire stalk and cobs are ground-up and mixed with fermenting bacteria and minerals/protein); and part of the corn is harvested for its kernels which we sell to other corn producers. It's not "sweet corn" like the kind meant for humans, but its still edible if you really wanted to.

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this.
>want to eat chicken? okay kill one chicken
>want tofu? okay just destroy a few acres of wildlife ecosystem and we’ll get right on it.

*meant to make other animal feed products

Also we use the same field to grow wheat during Fall.

>It's about minimising our effect on the planet,man
okay, so when are you going to get rid of everything you own, move into a near forest, and live a caveman lifestyle?

>Being deliberately obtuse

>We can kill mice and shit by farming corn and grain

>Or we can kill cows who are fed said grain and corn

I propose that people start buying locally
Be it at the local butcher or bakery
I couldn't care less what people eat as long as they support their local community instead of walmart, for example

It's possible to have total "free range" cattle that aren't fed grains, but you need to have a lot of land in a lush area in order to supply them with enough grass.

>anti-meat agenda
Literally nothing in comparison to the might of the Meat and Dairy industry.

what if we have to eat the liberal veganes?

>Humans have been consuming animals for thousands of years
>Suddenly this is now unhealthy because wahhhh I don't like animals dying

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Eating meat is for niggers and alt right homosexuals

Learn to eat healthy and save the white race
Low iq nogs are the only retards who should be allowed to eat meat

Who gives a fuck about the animals, do it for your body and the health benefits of a vegan diet

Don’t be a nigger

>Not eating meat
>Healthy

Go die veganigger

heart disease is the number one killer in first world countries, meat consumption is closely linked with heart disease. Isn't it logical that you should try to at least improve the health of your population?

Why would anyone fear the truth? Seeing a lot of this on Jow Forums since the 2016 election. What's going on here?

>fillet minion
>slow-smoked brisket
>foie gras
>authentic tuna sushi

You really expect me to give this up?

heart disease is because first worlders are obese fucks

Fuck off veganigger

no one in their right mind expects you to give up meat completely. That being said, i would think it's admirable of you to cut back a little bit, for everyone's sake

correlation /= causation
you should know that lib

yes because thin people cannot have arterial plaque, right?

Says the dope fiend. "It's totally about heath for everybody man. It isn't because I hate myself for being born white because everything I've ever been show proves how evil, boring and stupid white people are. I'll kill you for bad mouthing anyone but white people man. You should start doing drugs man. It will make you less hateful man. And stop eating meat too and stuff too. That's like so totally cruel you fucking, white male."

Pretty much ever vegan you've ever met.

wow wtf I hate meat now

Piss off nigger

i'm not even a liberal.
Well explain to me then how people who eat less meat or no meat have better BMIs, lower incidence of heart disease, lower incidence of diabetes.

>prove animal consumption cause diebetes, blood pressure, and birth defects.
What is keto?

No

Why should anyone have the legal right to control what I eat and don't eat? Communist China is a few thousand miles east, it'd suit you well.

Nah I dont want to see farmers go out of business too, people have to make a living.
But yeah, i think that in the foreseeable future, we'll have to re-evaluate how much meat we consume, and maybe treat it more like a treat than an everyday thing.

You know they put oestrogen in the meat as well. Soi free veganism is the only way to avoid leftist cuckoldry.
Hedonistic faggots.

Im sorry user
Most of those things aren’t good for you

Maybe just cut back
Also add way more fiber to your diet
Have your oats for breakfast

Wait so i can not choose to not eat meat?
Where did i say i want someone else controlling what other people consume? I think it's in the interest of every person to be responsible with their diets.

Thankfully many vegans do just that.
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Thanks bro, I've always wondered how those things work. How far away is the pool that supplies the water?

I would support cutting back. I obviously don't think eating McDonald's meat products constantly is good for you. Both sides of my family grew home gardens, so it's not like we are strangers to vegetables. I actually like spinach and turnip greens and Brussels sprouts, etc., while the average Murrican would be disgusted by them. I think people who don't appreciate vegetables are dumb plebs.

I just don't want autistic s.oyboys putting based right-wing meat farmers out of business. Who can say where they will draw the line?

Probably because people who are vegan are the same type that are obsessed with dieting, running, yoga, etc.

China literally eats anything that isn’t a vegatable you mong

The chinks only eat meat and all types of it

There health is going to shit since they finally have money to eat meat and not just rice and cabbage like they use to

Think before you post

>Using Berkeley studies to prove animal consumption cause diebetes, blood pressure, and birth defects.
That would be a vegan diet. 100% of vegan babies die.

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I don't wish that the government bans meat desu. Diet is your personal responsability. And yeah, well prepared and good quality meat is just tasty anyway. I however would support the government promoting healthy eating more, not sure how that exactly would work though.

It's in the same field.

My uncle dug it using a trackhoe and bulldozers. Texas has more artificial lakes/pools than any other state.

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Replace the word "animal" with the word "retarded with the brain of a 3 year old".

yeah, your two youtube videos obviously have a lot more study behind them than a fucking scientific paper from a university.

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WTF is up with my flag?

Hitler.. I-is that you?

People need to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for their own diets. Stop eating animals products and being good goyim

One thing I dont understand is their attacks on dairy products.
You touch my fontina you get the guillotine-a

Dairy is a European tradition. Other races are lactose-intolerant.

I can never tell on this website if being called hitler is a good or bad thing, kek.

But yeah, i've been avoiding 99% of animal products i've been eating all my life for about a year now. I feel good, I've lost quite some weight. I hit the gym 3x per week and i honestly havent seen much difference in my performance there. I enjoy how cheap you can live eating only veggies, where I used to pay a lot of money for good quality steaks and the sorts.

And yeah, knowing you're not contributing (as much) to the big animal industry does feel good.
Lol and I even get more chicks these days, maybe because I lost weight

Slicing off women's clitori is a tradition in other parts of the world. Does that mean every tradition is inherently good just because people have been doing that thing for ages?
By the way, was animal farming on the scale as we do today ever a tradition in europe?

Theyve failed to prove meat causes heart disease longer then you have been alive. Latest science points to simple carbs fucking up fat in the blood. Stop eating sugar and simple carbs. Hell drop carbs all together.

Murder is a legal term that only applies to humans.

Thinking of going all meat diet to drop the carbs. Carbs are what is killing people.

No, he's right. Humanity is literally murdering the environment by eating meat. That's why all of humanity should be exterminated to stop this.

Yeah you must not have read the same studies as I have... But yeah I guess it must be Big Broccoli behind those studies, right?

Local butchers can't feed a large population with people eating as much meat as they are without industrial farming

That's exactly why people should be eating less meat and more veggies.

Because you are comparing people who have some regulation of their diet to people who dont regulate it at all. The meat people eat a bunch of terrible shit first and foremost sugar and simple carbs.

That is why they are working on lab grown meatballs. Vegans are retarded science will break their arguments within our life times.

So, that means regulating your diet, and eating less meat in the process, is actually a pretty good and economical way to go about things? Shocking

The entire nutritional community has been pushing the fat is bad myth so long its going to end careers changing it. They have tried to prove fat is bad they cant. The best they can do is shitty correlation.

The videos speak for themselves. Most vegans are emaciated, the rare exceptions are all on a fuck-ton of supplements.

Your 'studies' are nothing more than flimsy observational studies fueled by political orthodoxy and funded by big pharmaceutical and agricultural companies. Go shill your slave diet somewhere else.
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I just don't want leftist hipsters trying to outlaw comfy Swiss Alps dairies.

It means they are eating alot of things less. You study is shit and you ignore facts to pretend it supports your argument. Shocking.

Also Broccoli has shit retention in our bodies eat some organ meats its good for you.

waiting for citation of the China Study.

you're a fucking moron

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comfy vid:

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Most meat eaters are fucking fatasses with horrible health. See what i did there? I made the same retarded generalizations that you did.
And i'm not interesting in your schizo rambling videos that aren't supported by anything, sorry.

Can a vegan eat his gf pussy and still be a vegan?

I agree, i'm also not for outlawing animal farming.
But we have to recognize the scale of farming we are currently supporting and how it's bad for us.
Eat all the swiss cheese you like user, just support authentic small scale made versions, that are probably of higher taste and quality anyway.

>Most meat eaters are fucking fatasses with horrible health.

This is why your study is garbage. They poll people who eat meat (no attempt to stick to a healthy diet) with people who are vegan (stick to a retarded but more healthy diet).

You can eat meat and be healthy.

Yeah, you can indeed. If you would have read my other posts, I promote people being responsible about their food choices, and I don't support shutting down the animal industry completely. What I do support is people eating less meat, a more balanced diet, and preferably the diet that has the least impact on our planet. Is it really that bad for me to choose not to eat meat and animal products if I dont have to?

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At the same time in most other arguments these same people will claim you CAN have it both ways, like with healthcare being free for everyone, massive minimum wages without inflation, and generally all socialist policies whose costs they never account for, but when it comes to agriculture oh no, you MUST stop eating meat to save the environment.

I'm sorry that all you met in terms of vegans was a bunch of whiney dope fiends.

americans eat way too much diary and meat, its why we're fat with the sugar jew. your diet should be meat as the least amount of stuff you're eating.

How do you know that one food choice actually impacts the planet more than another?
How do you know that agriculture of any type has impacted the planet at all in fact?
It is absolutely impossible to run a controlled study on this and for all you know the unaccounted products of farming do more "damage" than the very widely cited products of the animal industry.
There is nothing wrong with eating whatever you want, the idea that you know the truth of the world and exactly how to save it is very wrong though.

meat is why americans are fat, its not a miracle we eat the most meat of any country in our diets, and are also the most fat. vegan is a fine diet, i eat a plant based diet with SOME meat, like most of my meals are vegan then i'll have some chicken or turkey, or fish or eggs later on in the day.

The food pyramid is made by the agriculture dept user its wrong. The carbs are what are killing most Americans.

Most meat-eaters are healthy, this is a demonstrable fact. That most vegans are mentally ill with numerous other health problems is also a demonstrable fact. Go into a vegan restaurant and look at the horror. Veganism is bio-chemically impossible without modern supplementation and would never have gotten off the ground if it wasn't heavily pushed and funded by the elites.

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We eat the most fucking everything and we were not getting fat before carbs. The simple carbs are what is doing it.

I think the practice of abstaining for flesh foods is the most co-opted, most resisted, and most dreadfully and deeply hated form of conscious self-discipline I've ever seen be attacked on pol. It truly is absurd. When we are decades or maybe hundreds of years in the future when the medical community comes to not only study, but practically understand the effects of animal products on the lymphatic system we will look back in disgust at our barbaric past.
For now we wade in blood, horror, rape, enslavement, and consumption of other beings, and expect the same not to happen to us.

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um no carbs are good for you, low carb is the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas, ebcause it only works if you can completely avoid carbs in your diet like you have to be less than 20 carbs per day, but then you eat cheese which has carbs.

carbs are your primary energy source in your body, sorry i like being able to beat people who are low carb's ass in sports.

That makes sense, sugars make us fat because we eat too much protein/fat and not enough sugars, at last I truly see.

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country that eats the most meat america, has the most heart attacks etc, it must be a complete miracle.