Is there a classical liberal movement like Ron Paul vs boomer neoconservatives in the current imploding Democratic Party?
The Republican Party imploded in 2007-2010 and the libertarians were able to push their ideals mainstream, and that pave the way for Trump. The Democrats need a classical liberal to bring the core values back to the middle.
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Bernie Sanders is the lefts attempt at a Ron Paul, it was so obvious it was cringe worthy.
Nope. Democrats are now in thrall to their left wing. It's all identity politics, feminism, gay/trans rights, socialism, and open borders. Democratic moderates are ignored, and aren't really "classical liberals" anyway. Hence the #WalkAway movement.
ron paul is so irrelevant its cringe worthyu
>classic liberal
>in a socialist party
Bernie. That's all they got
Ron Paul changed the political landscape so much it helped get Trump elected.
You don't understand the meaning of classic liberal. Libertarians believe in classic liberalism. Democrats are socialists.
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That’s the point. A return to the middle.
The classics can be for
Pro-free market
Expanding immigration based on merit
Pro weed
Pro internet privacy
Less taxing and smaller military
Strong dollar policy and no income tax, commodity backed currency
Green policy = more nuclear power
And it resonates with moderate democrats
>boomer
Spotted the liberal reditor.
I'd watch that poop.
This is an 18+ board, but in the same way Goldwater set the stage for Regan, Paul set the stage for Trump. Learn your history
And Ross Perot set the stage for both Ron Paul and Trump....
the libertarian meme is over you degeneate
Nuh uhh
Yeah thats why Obama and McCain felt the need to audit evey single person who ran a Ron Paul facebook group.
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You philistine.
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Trump is going to do everything Ron Paul said, hes gonna nuke the FED and NATO. Just watch.
>that image
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The democrats are literally the neoconservatives now. One of the operating strategies of the Ron Paul team was to wedge in and push the neocons "back where they came from".
Now we need to shine light on it in front of everyone. Which has been hard since everyone is just making fun of Bill Kristol now. Which would be fine and well deserved except the people who "voted for Obama" still are blaming Bush for the war in Libya.
They are that fucking stupid and it need to be pointed out.
I like Ron Paul :(
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Libertarianism is retarded, only through the lens of a narrow minded worker (who thinks he will be rich but won't) does Libertarianism makes sense. And for the Pauls, well, they're already rich so it works for them.
You don't understand Thomas Jefferson. You are not American. You are a royalist feudal engligger fat fuck.
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You just listed pretty much everything democratic party stands against. Democrats at this point are nothing but social democrats, free market classic liberalism is their mortal enemy.
>Ron Paul
>Libertarianism
>Pave the way for Trump
lol wat
>he following ron paul policies
more like Trump doing everything Paut Buchanan said.
Lolbertardians just want to feel like they matter, it's kind of cute really
You faggots still haven't figured out that Trump isn't a Republican, and that literally everyone in the Repuke Party hated him. There will never be a "Democrat" movement to replicate Trump. The closest thing would have been if Nader first ran as a Democrat back in 2000 and got nominated despite all you shit bags hating on him. Fuck the Democrats, fuck the Republicans, more power to anyone who sacrifices their life to help destroy these two satanic establishments.
Or maybe individual rights are very easy to understand, the US Constitution is easy to read, and your arguments against both fall short. Since telling yourself you're brighter than the average American worker doesn't make it true.
They can smell through you.
>Classical Liberal Left
HAHA. It's a schism between Est. Democrats and Bolsheviks at this point. There is NO intellectual, objective, classic liberalism on the left. All of that is on the Right currently, and has been since Ron Paul. The Left is compromised by social justice emotions
He did. His (and his sons) operatives ran counter ops against Ted Cruz. Nevada was the clinch move and that was 100% Ron Paul activists.
Trump knows what's up and there's a reason Rand is so influential with him.
Can run rhetorical games around policy and shit but that's not going to change the facts of what we have on the ground.
W-what?
He's one of the only ones that fault for what's right against the Federal Reserve and Military Industrial Complex. The rest have sold their souls for gold
>The Democrats need a classical liberal to bring the core values back to the middle.
I agree with that but Trump a libertarian?? How high are you?
The Ron Paul 'revolution' and the 'Tea Party' movement saved the Republican from the Bush menace. It's especially curious how these were the two most ridiculed right wing movement in the past decade.
Dems should learn.
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No. They get kicked out as racists. Democrats are monolithic evil.
>Democrats are socialists
Imagine being this uninformed
He isn’t, the ron paul supporters paved the way for Trump with generation Z and Millennials
It was his college campaign in 2008 after the Great Recession that allowed certain kids of libertarians Republicans to grow up during Obama’s 2008-2015.
Trump is a winner and he sees the highest risk reward ROI with the Republican party that has separated from boomer neoconservatives
>more power to anyone who sacrifices their life to help destroy these two satanic establishments.
So you support Trump for the same reasons we do.
>Is there a classical liberal movement like Ron Paul vs boomer neoconservatives in the current imploding Democratic Party?
There are no classical liberals in the Democrat Party.
>The Republican Party imploded in 2007-2010
It was more like 2004-2008 I think.
>nd the libertarians were able to push their ideals mainstream, and that pave the way for Trump.
Trump is nationalist, how is he libertarian?
>The Democrats need a classical liberal to bring the core values back to the middle.
Too bad any classical liberal is already a Libertarian. Republican, or not involved with any party. There is nothing for classical liberals to give Democrats. They are very dissimilar groups.
>in the same way Goldwater set the stage for Regan, Paul set the stage for Trump
In what sense is Trump a moderate Paul?
Thomas Jefferson has nothing to do with the modern Democrat Party mate.
Dems dont have one and why would you even want them to get one. They keep pushing further left and into insanity.
And because you must accept every tenet of their religion no outside can come shake things up. They are strangling themselves like weeds and its nice to see. I hope the whole dem party dies
"Classical liberal" is essentially libertarianism, and therefore the exact opposite of the democrats.
>Trump is nationalist, how is he libertarian?
you havent read much hoppe
Must be the open calls for "democratic socialism" being mistaken as "actual socialism" or maybe the shit-tier memes spread about "fire departments are socialism" that the DNC disseminates through Occupy Wall Street™.
Fuck you.
Dems need a modern day Ron Paul and when both parties get steared towards nationalistic globalism + free markets + technocracy + individualism then the world will be in good hands regardless of parties
So because Hoppe came up with a way for nationalists to advocate for and support libertarianism, that means anybody who expresses nationalist beliefs is a libertarian? Seems pretty retarded to me. I doubt Trump has ever even heard of him.
Its funny how the country is less than 300 years old and people say shit like this.
No it's not. If the Conservative Party of Britain became a socialist party it would not be the part of Thatcher in anything other than name only. Same shite.
If a democrat ran on an actual traditional values platform he would be kicked out of the DNC as a radical right wing imposter.
>The Republican Party imploded in 2007-2010 and the libertarians were able to push their ideals mainstream, and that pave the way for Trump.
You know I never thought about it but that's an interesting point
You just described libertarians.
If the reason is what you quoted, then yes, that's absolutely why I've advocated for this fucker since 2015 and still do.
The only way to decentralize power is to elect people that everyone already in power hates. It's really not that hard to understand, although for some reason it seems to be.
That’s the point, steer the democrats back from the looney and back to the middle with Classical Liberalism
>steer the democrats back from the looney and back to the middle with Classical Liberalism
Best place to start is Academia
Lol that’s retarded, there’s a reason why nobody takes libertarians seriously: their ideas are retarded
you democrat fanboys just don't understand. Trump had nothing to do with "Republicans finding a middle ground." It was literally a hostile takeover that probably only worked because the media thought he would be easier for Clinton II to beat in a general election.
The Bernie effect is not academic enough. But he was a start, which led to Ocasio Cortez and kicking out the 10 term swamp dem.
The classical liberal will probably stem from a green Technocrat philosopher with Jordan Peterson skills and self made Billionaire. If he exists, he can save the Democrats. That person has to be Elon Musk-like.
Bernie Sanders was Ron Paul but without charisma and a terminal case of Leftism.
I don't think so. Jordan Peterson commented that the left can't even tell when it's gone too far. I.e. how far left is too far before the mainstream Democrats start calling people on it? They're not calling out Antifa and they're not calling out the Cultural Marxism stuff. I think the Democrats are just going to keep letting the crazies in the party pull them further and further left until the whole party disappears.
Same thing happened during Iraq War and the buildup to 2007-2008 market crash. Neoconservatives deep state and religious social conservative pulled the party so hard right, it collapsed and gave power to democrats for 10 years. Remember Bush was handicapped in the House and Senate during 2006+
However Obama was Bush on steroids and expanded all his policies because he was weak like Bush and susceptible to deepstate
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Not just that, the bylaws of the Republican Caucus were change as result of the foul play that took place during the 2012 election in order the keep Ron Paul out of the running. Them ousting him from participation helped directly ensure Trumps victory.
>However, the big changes to the 2016 delegate math they still changed the race’s strategic dynamics in a way that wound up favoring Trump. The binding of previously unbound caucus-state delegates made it impossible for grassroots activists to rally their support behind a challenger to Trump. The newly bound delegates included the hundred or so RNC representatives from each state—party insiders that, had they not been bound to vote for Trump, might have coalesced around a consensus candidate, giving that candidate motivation to stay in the race. Without Rule 40, more candidates might well have had the impetus to stay in the race longer. That could have given national convention delegates—the majority of whom don’t like Trump—a better chance of supporting a challenger to the party’s new orange-haired overlord in Cleveland.
no. parties are no coherent ideologies. they are interest groups amalgamated together.
example: Democrat is 1990 - we must prevent illegal immigration to prevent it from lowering the wages of the working poor
Democrat 2018 - there should be no consequences to illegal immigration. illegal immigrants are the future of our country.
Exact same party. completely different conclusion.
The most 'libertarian' wing of the democratic party is probably the white male pseudo-socialist group. The are likely to be pro-choice, pro-legalization, anti-foreign intervention, most against identity politics (since it's supposed to be class that's the issue, not ethnicity), against religious accommodations/control in government (espcially compared to the black christian wing of the democratic party) etc etc. Only big difference is in economic policy, although that is a big difference.
This is the wing that Sanders got in the Midwest, north east, and especially in the Mountain & plains section of the country. But you can't win the democratic primary anymore appealing only to whites, so the 90%+ rates that non-whites voted for Hillary won out. and that ratio is only increasing in time thanks to racial polarization as divisions increase.
So no. there isn't a classical liberal movement in the democratic party. Compare the opposition to Bush to the current opposition to Trump. Those values are on life support and dying in the democratic party. RIP Jim Webb wing.
the left can't tell when its gone too far because it's too disunited and we are in a political realignment period. See Zeihan -
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we need clear warning signs that are accepted as unacceptable for the left.
Dude, you just described the new Republican party!
Ron Paul is more influential than you’ll ever be.
As a Democrat from a LONG time ago I would say they need to be more PRO-WORKER. pro-union, anti-free trade, and anti-3rd world immigration. This is what the Democratic party WAS (also the party of racism), before LBJ fucked it into oblivion.
Since they allowed the jobs to be sent to China/Mexico, and then allowed 30 million illegals to take any jobs left here and since they have courted increasingly crazy and fringe groups to make up the difference: I would say they are completely fucked, FOREVER. Even if they get back in power from all the illegals and niggers, America will turn into a 3rd world corrupt shit hole and burn to the ground (like Baltimore, Detroit, and soon Atlanta).
The final nail in the coffin that all the things Democrats SHOULD have been doing all this time Trump is now doing. Even if they change their platform, no one will trust them, and they can get all that from Trump without the fags, niggers, and femicunts.
So just disband and try to make America a multi-party system (like instant run off elections).
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If Democrats get converted to Classical Liberals
They should be
Pro-Engineering and embrace the Robotic Workers
Pro-Technocracy and energy-backed thermodynamic currencies
Artificial Intelligence decides and executes policies
Pro-space colonialism and interplanetary free trade
those loser fucks even called it the bernie revolution
i called my buddy out on his discount ron paul
i'm really terrified of it, but my suspicion is that ron paul was america's last chance at a non-violent solution to its problems. i'm afraid it's too late now.
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump's election represents the fact libertarians are irrelevant in the Republican Party. Trump isn't implementing any of our ideas.
>save the left
I don't get this meme. I head people talk about it, like sincerely, as there is a world in the future they could ever imagine voting for a liberal democrat again. If only they would troubleshoot a few things, they could potentially be appealing. The mask is off of Liberalism, international-capitalism, Leftism and Socialism, and the parts of Democratic platform that are actually pro-social like universal health-care are impossible because they fucked our demographics and restructured our economy into eternal consumerism. So what the fuck do you even mean?
>Democrats aren't pure blooded commies
imagine being this uninformed
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>the libertarians were able to push their ideals mainstream, and that pave the way for Trump
>stronger border security
>tariffs
>continued interventionism
>strong drug policy
>???
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