Thx but no thx, Amerilards

he means that it's shitty for germany to pay the Russians the commitment they have made to the nato alliance, but still expect the US to save them if the russians invade. If they meet their commitments, they can buy gas from whoever they want, because the nato alliance will be strong and not a trick to make the US a sucker.

FAKE BORING THREAD. BORING EVEN BY GERMAN STANDARDS

Our defense of Europe has made once proud nations effeminate.

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Because most European nations fit into an American garage. Small, low population, low resources, low military spending.

But with NATO - it's a massive deterrent to have a huge military alliance that could swoop in at any moment to protect even such tiny nations.

...But someone has to pay for it. And if it's an "alliance" - then everyone should pay their fair share. Makes sense, don't it?

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It’s adorable that you think you have a say in this

>if the russians invade
.. right. and this would happen because..? I thought everybody got along with Russia all of a sudden? I thought it was a GOOD THING to get along with Russia?

>40% of Germans Oil and Gas coems from Russia.
>New pipeline will bump that up to around 70%
>Germany spend like 1% on defence (Absolutely pathetic)
>Germany brings in millions and millions of migrants.
>Germany reliant on essentially an enemy who subvert NATO allied constantly.
>Russians could at any moment just cut supply to Germany.
>Germany paying an enemy billions each year.

>Germany thinks this is a good thing.

Honestly, i hope Germany just dies.

I guess, but even without an official alliance like NATO, wouldn't knowing that you're getting assraped by the US, UK, France, etc. even if there wasn't an alliance enough of a deterrent?

They will go to their graves virtue signaling only to prove that Hitler was the most correct man in the 20th century

>Broomstick Army

>.. right. and this would happen because..?
So you admit NATO doesn't have a reason to exist and America has no obligations to Europe?

you really steelmanned that argument. solid comprehension

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Pay up, Hans!

Its fucking stupid and makes zero sense, Russians actively fighting in the Crimea, entering Syria and other places around the world, increasing defence spending and the Germans build a pipeline to pay them billions for oil and gas.

Russians are laughing at this.

We are not talking about anyone paying someone else, you spend it on your own defense industry and spend a little less sucking Muslim cock.

Okay. Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out cuz then I'll have to clean it.

What do those letters stand for, user? North America War Organisation? NAWO? hmm, that doesn't look right, lets try again. What does NATO stand for?

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 29 North American and European countries.

>CAPITALISM FUCK YEAH
>wait germany is buying oil from russia because it's cheaper?
>FUCKING GERMAN TRAITORS PURGE THEM

>Okay.jpg

Make some more threads about it, maybe we'll care. I wouldnt expect you numale sojakommando to give a fuck about your country anyways lol

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Map control in the modern world is important. USA has bases all over the world as a result of being on the winners side of WWII, and at the end of it the most powerful enough to force such treaties.

NATO also has bases all over the world. If NATO is gone and no alliance exists - conflicts that shift the world power would be far more prevalent and pervasive in the modern world....but they aren't...because NATO bases are everywhere.

USA can't police the entire world all on its own, but if it's going to be an "alliance" - then other countries need to cough up some dough and military spending as well. It's also stupid NOT to spend at least a little money on military, if you can. World Peace has never been achieved and even if it ever did it could never last forever.

try using google or any search engine. they even have their own web page

literally kys if you can't understand why NATO was formed and the function it serves (served)

It's almost as if Germany doesnt regard Russia as an enemy or a threat but rather a natural ally that supplies resources for the manufacturing economy Germany has and is a country to export its products to. If it wasnt for Nato, Russia would have been our ally since around 2000.

I guess it does have a function, doesn't it?

>spends nothing on military
>spends everything on oil supplies from the very people they are scared could invade them or the rest of the Europe and Asia - if they wanted
>expects US to basically pay for their entire military through NATO

I thought all that 'free education' was supposed to make you krauts smarter.

Previous administrations let you get away with this shit because they didn't want to hurt your feelings or rock the boat. Now - we no longer care about your feelings, and it's time to rock the boat.

You wanna stay in the boat, or be thrown into the ocean?

i dont give a shit i just want to watch europe burn by shitskins

that's cool, have Russia pay for your defense then as well

The Russian-German entente is transient, Hans. Neither you nor Russia have the things you need to survive without American security guarantees.

Cool. Disband NATO then.

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still not scared about russia invading us

If you or ALL OF GERMANY doesn't regard Russia as a possible or very real threat - then you have no issue disbanding NATO then, and freeing up US resources to be spent on its own interests and not yours?

...?

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op is a mudslime who larps as Hans

why should you ?

So NATO can be disbanded? Good, we agree.

it does, assuming people actually understand what it means. letting your military practice using brooms in military exercises, for example, is not what is intended by nato. nor is making yourself dependent on the country that nato was built against.

I seriously hope you all get raped into extinction by Merkel's Kidz. You're obviously begging for it, and you've been a cancer to the world for over 100 years. Just fucking die, already, there are none of you left even worth saving.

youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48

>Russia not an enemy

Russia will never feel safe until it has a border strong enough worth defending and a port to the world. That border is the Rhine, that port is past Denmark.

The Left
RUSSIA IS EVIL, WE NEED TO BOMB RUSSIA! REGIME CHANGE IN RUSSIA! PUT AN END TO PUTIN!

Also the Left
WTF? HOW DARE TRUMP SAY GERMANY SHOULDN'T GET 70% OF THEIR ENERGY FROM RUSSIA!

>It's almost as if Germany doesnt regard Russia as an enemy or a threat but rather a natural extension of our own territory, that supplies resources for the manufacturing economy Germany has. If it wasnt for the Allies, Russia would have been our territory since around 1943.

>be nation of teutonic incels
>don't understand a 'breakup speech' is when its being told to you

and what things would that be? Lets see what America provides us:
- being a target for islamic terrorism
- shitty consumer culture and feminism
- occupying power, that makes us a not quite sovereign country
- WWII shaming
- Pointless wars in the middle east

I think we might do without these things.

yes please! Get your troops home aswell!

Pay up sausage nigger

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>Syrian flag
Opinion discarded

Agreed. NATO needs to be dissolved. Germany can defend itself.

>No, we won’t be paying 4 percent of our GDP to anyone.
Top fucking kek. Is Germany employing shills or are all Germans this retarded?

You spend more money on Syrians larping as kids and Turkish welfare tourists than you spend on defending Germany and Europe.

Swedes may be cucked, but at least we aren't as delusional as ze Germans. Jesus Christ. "Won't give 4% to anyone"... What drugs are you on? Do they put something in the water to make you delusional and then vote for Merkel?

Poland and the US should make a pact with Russia that when the inevitable invasion happens they can gain free passage to Germany.

>being a target for islamic terrorism
>occupying power, that makes us a not quite sovereign country
you don't care about sovereignty. you invited islamic terrorists into your country

I hope you traitors get raped again you dumb sausage-eating faggots.

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Did you pay attention in the first 2 world wars when russian aggression against germany was a huge part of the cause?

>takes in a bunch of Muslims, many of them radical Islam supporters and terrorists....
>"US makes us a target for Islamic Terrorism"

It's like you literally said "Hello dildo! Here's easy access to my asshole; Fuck me with no lube until I bleed, please, kthx"

>Shitty consumer culture
Stop buying our shit then if you don't like it (?)

>WWII shaming
You guys shame yourselves more than we could ever shame you lol. That's why you ban free speech and nazi symbols - because you're afraid lol.

>Pointless wars in the middle east
If they're so pointless, why is your country's politics shifting toward the Right after your opposition to such wars? It's obvious they're not as pointless as you think...

typical one level world thinker. NATO only exists now to swindle money out of the US and is why the military industrial complex is so overbearing anyway.

if you go for hyperbole, take the atlantic as border ans lisbon as port. Russia neither has the resources for large scale occupation of non-russian territory nor the need to it has friends in the west. As I outlined, russia and germany have very complementary economies which makes them natural allies.

IKR. Only a Germany would consider funding their own national defense paying debt. Restoring them was a mistake.

Absolutely this.

ok cool so there is no need for NATO. And you're such a fucking little pussy cuck faggot. Do you know why you aren't afraid of Russia invading? It's because of everything the US has done for you over all these years. We should have given you faggots to France just for the lols. What a subhuman.

>being a target for islamic terrorism
your fault
>shitty consumer culture and feminism
your fault
>occupying power, that makes us a not quite sovereign country
your fault
>WWII shaming
your fault
> …Pointless wars in the middle east
lol yeah I'm sure the 4 reservists you sent to afghanistan helped us a lot. you're a worthless ally and a worthless country and the only reason you exist right now is because we didn't allow the soviets to run a train on you until there was nothing left

Suck Dugin cock harder you brainwashed Alt-Right faglord.

>Germany thinks everyone is their friends
>Germany thinks they have no enemies
>Lived under the US umbrella so long, think they have the moral high ground on everything
>Doesn't realize the entire east literally fucking hates them, their schools teach about how horrible Germans were and what they did to them, grand parents and parents teach them about their history.
>But muh friends!

How long until Germany will ask for assistance?

That's fine, kraut. You need NATO more than we do. How about we just fold it up? I'm fine with it. We became the world's policemen to keep the oil flowing, and now we make our own. You don't. We can pass the mantle to you, as it's become more trouble than it's worth. We'll be keeping our carrier groups, however. Germany has a habit of becoming uppity.

>buy american guns eurokuks
After they get all the shiny yank guns the Eurokuks will find themselves in a bad war situation when their coordination on the battlefield is fucked up by language barriers and fucked up joint command.

This. And whats the point of even having Nato if Europe is not even going to protect its borders? What is the army even for?

>thinks he has a choice

Shouldn't have lost two world wars then.

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You’re either pay 4% of your GDP to NATO or you’re spending significantly more on your own defense.
I don’t give a fuck. I like the Russians. NATO can dissolve for all I care.

>implying america didn't invent onions culture

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The Left:
WE NEED NATO TO PROTECT EUROPE FROM RUSSIA, TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN PAWN FOR WANTING TO BACK OUT OF NATO!

Also the Left:
GERMANY AND RUSSIA ARE ALLIES, THEY AREN'T BAD GUYS.

it wasnt russian aggression, but communism as an ideology. "normal" russia has no reason to wage war except for defense. If we ally russia, russia doesnt need to defend itself.

whose cultural influence is to blame for the migrant crisis?
whose pointless war destabilized the middle east so much that the migrant crisis even exists?

>>You guys shame yourselves more than we could ever shame you lol. That's why you ban free speech and nazi symbols - because you're afraid lol.
Coming from the country that imposed the whole cultural change upon us. As I said, we're not fully sovereign, we're still bound by the peace terms of WWII.

If your buying there shit they must not be a threat to you. So fuck you, fuck NATO, so long and thanks for the fish.

You will.
Once Russia built that undersea pipeline it will be easily destroyed by a submarine missile.
Environnement disaster follows and YOU and RUSSIA will be held accountable for!

>you have a choice
HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I hope Germany spergs out, builds next gen panzer space mechs, uses them to destroy the Trump space forces and allies with Japan so they can make an anime of the conflict as it unfolds.

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They're not going to build anything significant as Russia would just nuke them the first chance they get.

You know what the greatest irony is? Russia would actually defend all the eastern countries in NATO despite them being in NATO.

>and what things would that be? Lets see what America provides us:
>- being a target for islamic terrorism
>- shitty consumer culture and feminism
Are you really blaming us for the social trends your country gobbled up without question? All my life, I've heard
>Oh hon hon hon, stoopeed Ahmereekunz, why can't zey be more like uz Earopeeons?
And now that you're all faggot ladyboys and truck fodder, it's our fault?
Nobody here said you had to give up your masculinity. Nobody here said you can't vote for anyone but Merkel. You did that shit to yourselves. You keep voting her fat ass back in, and you keep getting flooded by shitskins who carry out terror attacks against you. You're voting for this. So you can shove that "blame America" shit right back up your ass, you stupid faggot. Good fucking lord, you people can't be wiped out soon enough.

why so sour kraut?

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>GERMANY WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE YOU BETRAYING YOUR NATO ALLIES BY BUYING RUSSIAN GAS?!?

meanwhile
>US is buying vast unknown amounts of Russian natural Gas
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-19/how-the-u-s-almost-bought-russian-natural-gas-quicktake-q-a

>Trusting a burgernigger
>Ever

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Works for me. GL!

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Exxon/Mobile have significant shares in the Russian oil industry as well.

Western Europe doesn’t need the US’s protection. Dissolve NATO

you're nothing more than a US colony, you and your entire shitty """""""""""continent"""""""""". you can afford to be liberal and pacifistic when Uncle Sam is covering your ass. accept your fate and pay up, or develop an army strong enough to withstand Russia.

faggot. when i was stationed at Ramstein civilian cucks in your country would thank us for being there. you're nothing more than an outpost for the Great American Empire.

Does anybody really think russia is a real threat? What happend to "open borders" and being tolerant? Surely the standard protocol when dealing openly hostile foreign forces is to invite them over give them a fucking a house and living wage then tell every one how beautiful it is? Isnt all this a bit russiaphobic?

Yes you will, loser. So put aside a little bit of the welfare for your wife's black muslamic son to PAY DENBS.

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>all these cowardly boomers who still think it's the cold war terrified of the soviets
russia is weak, all they have is a couple of tanks and a dozen nukes. why are americans so pathetic?

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Very good point. Post to Plebbit and link to subsequent suicide livestreams.

Because we aren't fucking agreeing to send you billions of dollars. We are fucking protecting your Internationale traderoutes from being anally raped by pirates, africans, middle easterners, and everybody else that wants a piece of the pie. If another soviet union were to form, were are the ONLY thing standing between you and being dead. We are in a military pact, NATO, where you give us money to protect you. For the past 20 years or so, we have gotten next to none of the money that YOUR countries agreed upon.
"Nato allies" doesn't mean you. It doesn't mean anybody except us. We are the nato ally everybody wants to protect their trades routes because if we pull our cock out of europe now, everything falls the fuck apart.
Pay up or we pull the trigger dipshit.

Daily reminder that the only reason Canadians post such godawful bait is because they know they're finished and it's the only way they can cope.

Think of those poor Russian Refugees, they've had such a hard life. Some of them don't even have lightbulbs and can only drink vodka 5 days per week. The average Russian is peaceful, has a beautiful culture, they just want jobs.
#LetThemIn

Look at this Mohammad cocksucker

You got thanked for being there? Wow your army outpost is basically the only thing with jobs there. Of course the locals like you.

So what you gonna do when we neither pay up nor increase our spending? Its either
a) nothing or
b) dissolve NATO.

So we either keep our money or we finally get rid of NATO. Sounds fine to me. We're surrouned ny friends and conventional warfare doesnt exist outside of shithole third world countries.

The whole point of nato is for USA to protect europe from the ebil russians...

It's like, you live in a gated community surrounded by feral negroes, and everybody is supposed to spend 2% of their paycheck to contribute to security, you are a rich guy who is paying for like 60% of the costs, and you don't even care that your poorfag neighbors can't contribute that much, as long as they are giving 2% of their paycheck, but instead they are trading with the negroes, who to their credit got civilized in recent years, and then spending a shitload of the money they were supposed to spend on security on stray cat "refugees" and their kids estrogen pills

So it's either, "russians are evil and we are making them rich while not paying for nato" or "russians are not evil and there is no point to nato"

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