/CSG Second Coming of Christ General

Interesting idea, but there is a major problem in your logic. The definition of attainment of God head you laid out, and your definition of God objectively contradict the Biblical description of God and the Biblical description of how to attain salvation and be in Heaven/Paradise for eternity.

You used the Bible for your evidence, but I wonder if you looked at it objectively by itself while you read. Becuase the conclusions you drew by using the Bible as evidence makes it seem like you read it with the intention of supporting your own ideas. Not to understand the God’s word.

First major problem in your idea, Biblically speaking, it is apparent that God does not count himself as a part of his creation. So that means he is not the sum total of creation. If God was the sum total of all his work, then why did he say creation was good in the beginning of Genesis? In stead of saying it was perfect? As he has described Himself as being.

I do believe by gaining understanding about God, people will naturally appreciate His creation more and treat it with more love as a result, but the primary call to a follower of Jesus is not to love creation as God, but to point to the Creator and reveal to other people that Jesus (God) died so we didn’t have to take God’s wrath. And of course have them confess with their mouth and believe in their hearts that Jesus died on the cross for them, was baried, and was resurrected on the third day. That’s the gospel.

In the Bible it speaks of great importance of believing the gospel. It never says love creation to gain enternece into Heaven/Paradise, it says simply to believe in and spread the message to other people that Jesus died on the cross to replace our own punishment, was baried, and was resurrected on the third day. Love should naturally increase in someone overtime becuase of understanding how much love God has for his Creation. But it is a process, and we constantly will fail since we live in a sinful world.

When you say God’s specialty is perpetual freedom from all material contaminations, I can’t tell if you mean the material things in the world have contaminated people and thus Jesus helps them, or if you mean by believing in Jesus we are free from the excessive control/Desire of earthly possession.

Again these are interesting ideas, but they are separate from everything we know about the Holy Living God from what’s known as the Bible.

Firstly, pls do understand I’m not a good writer or a debater. But I like to simplify complex things to make them obvious for laymen. Actually, Prabhupada, /SCG/ , is the principle that simplifies the enormous complexities of the Vedas for us.

Will try to address some of your points.

>Listening to a poo neet who reads UN sponsored new age Hindu dindu crap that says gods in your poopoo

>You used the Bible for your evidence, but I wonder if you looked at it objectively by itself while you read.

Firstly, I have no need to use the Bible for anything. I can preach the gospel of Gita on its own strength.

I’m using Bible text just for people like you who are way too much conditioned by dogmas of poorly designed philosophy. Just so, you can feel I’m giving you some credit. But I don’t. Since the real Bible has been slaughtered. You should take this as a compliment that I at least giving you some credit.

>it is apparent that God does not count himself as a part of his creation.So that means he is not the sum total of creation.

According to Bhagavat Vedanta , this is how it is explained the correlation between God and His creation...

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And like this

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And Bonus point

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>I do believe by gaining understanding about God,

This is what Bible is genuinely lacking. There is very superficial and superstitious understanding of God. Due to this poor fund of knowledge, the text has been interpolated for a very long time.

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>but the primary call to a follower of Jesus is not to love creation as God, but to point to the Creator

This I have already explained at the start of the thread

>When love of Godhead is attained, love for all other beings automatically follows because the Lord is the sum total of all living beings.

What does Jow Forums think of Gendun Chophel? He said the Brahmins of India were blond haired and blue eyed.

In his book Grains of Gold: Tales of a Cosmopolitan Traveler he said this.

OP is a faggot again

>It never says love creation to gain enternece into Heaven/Paradise,

TRUE

It never says love creation to gain enternece into The Absolute Reality of Eternal Abode of Godhead

Definitely there were ! Because Prabhupada as /SCG wanted to reestablish just that, for the West Aryans to take up back their original Vedic culture.

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fuggin' Aryan and their goy worship, I want me a good cheeseburger.

Aryans*

So you’re deceitful? Why would you include the second coming of Christ in your first post then if you have “no need for the Bible?” Are you trying to trick people in to believing what you believe?
If you have no need for the Bible, why did you post an image quoting the Song of Solomon pandering to the white race on Jow Forums?

I think you are using decitful tactics to draw people into your brainwashing. Much like the demons that came up with the doctrine you believe would do.

Don’t be upset with me when I say this, but this is also fundamentally wrong. The whole world is constantly decaying

Hmm demons must’ve come up with this Gita doctrine. Becuase it appears in the image in this post () you have presented a logical trap. Meaning it discredits thoughts and opinions of those who do not see eye to eye, becuase their credibility is explained away due to a lack of spiritual knowledge. This is cult brainwashing. At least the Bible tells us to listen to logic. Will you reject reason?

Also, the image you used in this post () is wrong, which means if this is wrong, what more could be wrong about the doctrine you believe? A lot can be wrong. It discredits your whole belief. First becuase the world is constantly decaying at all levels, even at the atomic level in some cases. The sun is slowing dying, the earth’s core is slowly cooling, the universe’s motion will one day stop if there’s not outside force to start it again. So you can see that creation is not a perfect system. Even ecosystems are not perfect, becuase they decay even faster than the universe. Everything is running down.

Don’t let pride or anger harden your heart, listen to sound reason. Your doctrine has brainwashed you to explain away logic and reason with the false idea of “spiritual knowledge surpassing all things”. That is a trap so you cannot think yourself out of the lie you’re believing.

We cant even tell you what a soul is ,according the bible some bitch ate a apple and they lost their souls . So no souls if you are human

>for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

>. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

> 14If He were to set His heart to it and withdraw His Spirit and breath, 15all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.…

King James Bible
>Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Son, first you need to find your Varna or Caste. If you consider yourself to be a Kshatriya or a warrior , unless you are able to hunt you got no business eating meat

Hmm....interesting

From Dust to Dust

>16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. 17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. 18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? 22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Dont be deceived by the question mark the same faith man has is also for beast.. dust to dust . No soul , but reclaiming that soul , that part is for christ

I’m just honest. I click bait with Bible , just like Christians do with their interpretation of the Bible.

Are you telling me you have sole copyrights to the Holy Text ?

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>I think you are using decitful tactics to draw people into your brainwashing.

Again, I’m just pointing to obvious

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fucking niggas.... god is an extraterrestrial being; these aliens created mankind, and control this planet... all your nigga shit is fuck'n retarded. oh, guess what niggas... when christ returns you all die...

The dire consequences of such a poor philosophy is verily noticeable in the present situation.

JUDGE A PHILOSOPHY BY ITS PRACTICAL APPLICATION

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>when christ returns you all die...

Retarded post , this sadly is true everyone gets btfo

All this situation is a product of Mayavada philosophy that there is no existence of the soul

What is superficial and superstitious? Sacrificing animals as a punishment for our own sin in the Old Testament? God commanded people to sacrifice animals.
Is it superstitious when God says do not try and take advantage of orphans, widows, and the poor or else he will be angry with you becuase he is their defender?

You are trying to define what and who God is before even reading what God says about himself. So when you read what God says about Himself in the Bible. You say, “this isn’t right!” Becuase it doesn’t match the expectations you put on God.

That’s like you seeing a father that you hadn’t seen in 20 years who you think will want to do hugs and meditation with you when you meet him, and instead he asks you to get him a bud light and sandwich to celebrate him.

The father is free to be who he is. Just becuase he wants Bud light and a sandwich doesn’t mean he’s not your father. He just didn’t meet the false expectations you made for him. I think you’re doing the same thing with Jesus.

No doubt, you will try and say you looked at God objectively. But it is apparent that if you did read the Bible, you didn’t read it with fresh eyes, but instead compared it to your own mortal and earthly idea of what God would be like.

Last point on this, if the God of the Bible is the living God, and He asked for there to be rules to follow, tradition, and warned people that if they did wrong they would be punished; what does that tell us?

To you it says he’s fake.
But to a logical person it says that God wanted rules and standards for people to follow, God wants tradition, and God wants people to fear Him (you might call this part superstitious).

So if your argument is the God of the Bible is not real because the God of the Bible commanded his people to sacrifice animals to him and be nice to other people, than that is a baseless claim

Also Bible is clear we have soul (who we really are), physical body, and spirit.

>becuase their credibility is explained away due to a lack of spiritual knowledge.

But, is that not the case with Abrahamic religions ?

They can’t even explain what soul is. They believe that they are these temporary material bodies. And they are patient waiting (for “resurrection”) dead ? Am I right?

You mad bro that we eat your cows

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And they are patiently waiting (for “resurrection”) dead ?

No, I’m not mad for you going straight to Hell for training and popping up through vagina of a cow in your next life.

HA HA! YOUVE GIVEN ME EVERYTHING I NEED TO BECOME THE SECOND JESUS YOU FOOL

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Yes in short , bitch ate apple , Humans are now death forever , Jesus christ to the rescue defeats death and through Jesus Christ man can live again after the resurrection . They do not wait death is timeless , so one moment you die , and the next moment you are in the resurrection..

This is not what 99% of the Christians think btw its all vanity , they think they die and their soul flies up to heaven .. and then there are demons they have a whole other deal , they do have souls and probably reincarnate multiple times to fuck up the humans

>I’m just honest. I click bait with Bible , just like Christians do with their interpretation of the Bible

I don’t know the exact situation you’re thinking of as an example for this Christian click bait. But the difference is quite clear.

When a Christian using Christian doctrine for click bait. It is commonly understood that the person who reads it will gain biblical understanding regarding things of the Bible; Jesus, the New Covenant between man and God etc.

But if you use quotes from the Bible as just a means of attracting people to your ideas, which you admit are not even connected to the Bible, then it is just dishonest.

If you were quoting the Bible to discredit it what it says like the atheists do, then I understand that the reason is clear. But you are trying to trap people like you have already been trapped. That is very bad. And I’ll warn you that God’s judgement is against those who try hurting the innocent in their understanding of Him. As I am called to warn you of His judgement out of love.

And even though in burgerland we can get a beef burger anywhere, ox were more important for something other than just food back then. Getting field work done for farming in those times than even people.

So this is simply saying if you kill an ox, which is so very important for the village or society you would be in in those days, then it is to be treated like you killed a man.

Please, abandon your dishonesty and brainlet philosophy. Jesus is for truth, honesty, Justice, logic and reason. Things which you have abandoned while thinking of yourself as clever in following this demonic philosophy. Look how this demonic philosophy has caused you to be decitful? On the surface you have tricked yourself into thinking you love, but deep down your rotting with contempt for other people. And not loving them enough to be intellectually honest, so you use traps to bring them in. That is not love. Even if you have good intentions.

But do you agree that this philosophy of resurrection is so stupid ?

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I think its the best one compared souls flying to heaven upon death

Man sinned and died for ever because he was made in time
The devil sinned but because he was created in eternity he cannot die in time

No, because as the Christians believe, Jesus is God in physical flesh form. And since Jesus is God, then He can do anything.

I mean any charachter of the old testament would die and the next thing he experiences is the second comming . Its pretty awesome when you have no soul

Plus it was needed to fulfill prophecy in the Old Testament.
Keep looking for the objective truth. I believe Jesus is King of the Kingdom if Heaven and we are all His creation.
He loves us so much that he thinks countlessly about us individually, it says in the Bible. He died in our place so we wouldn’t have to suffer eternal punishment for our sins.

I suggest looking up “supporting evidence that Jesus is really God” and study it. Of course we must always be fair in our assessment. I’ve looked up all the religions I could, because I knew there must’ve been a God, die to the great design of creation, and from all my research, I truly believe that Jesus from the Bible is the One Living God and creator of all things.

>When a Christian using Christian doctrine for click bait. It is commonly understood that the person who reads it will gain biblical understanding regarding things of the Bible; Jesus, the New Covenant between man and God etc.

Well, how can we find out who will be the arbitrary for the Truth ?

I say, they do clickbait to do kike’s bidding that there is no soul , and that Evolution Theory and Bible are like two good friends ?

And You say, that I’m mistaken ?

Who is going to be a judge unless we have an HONEST OPEN NATIONWIDE DEBATE ON PHILOSOPHY AND RELIGION BROADCASTING 24/7 ON EVERY MAJOR NETWORK BY LAW ?

>And since Jesus is God, then He can do anything.

except look in the future

>Jesus is God in physical flesh form. And since Jesus is God, then He can do anything.

Can He make a clear distinction between the soul and the body , and make foolish (((people))) change His word ?

> . Its pretty awesome when you have no soul

So God was able to create a man without soul ?

Don’t you think this is called zombie ?

Perhaps you are really right..

It is not possible to have a normal discussion with zombies

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>ITT cow worshiper getting rekt by a saint

>Don’t you think this is called zombie ?

You still have a functional brain and free will , its just a package why does it need a soul when its going to die . God gives your eternal soul as a reward and death as punishment

I don’t know where you’re making that claim from. He knew that he was going to be crucified. And God knows the future, as He has revealed what will happen through the book of Revalation.
Not to mention all the prophecies that have come to pass.

Look up the Bible knowing about the gravitational pull among Orion’s Belt. How could they have possibly know that there is a pull among them if not with out an all knowing God. Or look up how the Bible talks about God stretching the heavens, acurately describing how the universe is continually expanding.
There are very unique insights given in the Bible. And plenty of evidence that the information in the Bible comes from an ALL knowing God. It is up to the people that hear God’s word to try and seek it out for themselves.

Our words decide whether we’ll face judgement from God, so I’ll just ask out right. Because I was under the impression you were, but are you a believer in Jesus and what truth the Bible says about Him?

I only asked the question in this post () because what you said about Jesus not seeing into the future was inaccurate. Since he knew Judas would betray him and Peter would deny him 3 times before the rooster would crow.

Fuck off.

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Because his father tells him everything he needs to know . Jesus knows nothing , he did not even know he was going to flood the world and it repented him he made man

King James Bible
>But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

King James Bible
>But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

King James Bible
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

King James Bible
>And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus is not good because he is not omniscience he does not see the greater good like the father ,

>but are you a believer in Jesus and what truth the Bible says about Him?

Yes the real truth not the fables of the romans

This is what believe too. Jesus is the son of God. And then after his death he is named after his Father CHRIST or KRSNA.

The Holy Name is GOD, but His son is not . Therefore JESUS KRSNA !

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No. Christ is ultimate truth , everything in the bible is true or a parable , its lacking things . If you are a human hinduism can save you , but if you are a demon and a hindu in this life, it will not save you when your last life you where literally hitler

Why would Jesus be renamed after his father , it does not make a lot of sense , krishna is the jesus like figure in hinduism ?

Ah true, I was wrong. He knew but it was becuase of the Father giving it to him. Becuase not even the Son knows the hour or day. Thanks for the correction. There have been distortions by the Romana for sure, among others. That’s why I wanted to try to carefully say the truth about what the Bible says.

Sorry about jumping the gun. Hope you understand.

Here son, to illustrate the situation...

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>Why would Jesus be renamed after his father

Is not known a historical face that during the life of Jesus he was never addressed as CHRIST ?

Is not known a historical fact ...

Bhagavad Gita as it is = Original True Testament or 18 chapters of God directly speaking

CHRIST and KRSNA . THE NAME IS THE SAME. Just a different pronunciation.