Explain to me why taxation is theft

>No prerequisite of taxation was presented to me when I purchased the land I purchased
That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Its up to you to inform yourself.

Simple commie faggot when your money is taken under the threat of force by government it is theft.

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>liberals = communist

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Theft: "Give me your money or I will take it by force"

Extortion: "Give me your money so nothing bad happens to you, I would hate to see you wind up in jail there boyo."

Taxation is extortion.

The idea is predicated on the concept that taxes are collected under threat of force or imprisonment, thus tantamount to a mugging.

its not
all you have is granted to you by the government, you own nothing, you merely possess it

It's neither of those things, since the government makes the laws and so defines what extortion/theft is.

Sure taxes can pay for good roads, affordable public healthcare, and education, but how does that help me if I only ever leave my room to empty my pee bottles?

Give me some of your money.

I promise Ill do use it wisely and it will benefit everyone!

Well, I won't use it. Whoever got voted into power will use that money to hire people that will use more of that money to do a good job.

Of course we're going to do a lot of things you dont care about, but this is best for EVERYONE!

You trust the government to be efficient and accountable so there wont be any problems at all!!

>Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

So government can make a law saying it's ok to kill you (just you) and it's not murder because it's now lawful. Try harder.

Pretty much yes. Everyone I talk to earnestly eventually admits to a fondness for it.

>and it's not murder
Then legally, no.

Because the people taxing you threaten you with either financial or bodily harm if you don't pay your taxes. Kinda like a person with their face in a mask holding a gun to your head.

I hope they pass that law soon.

They would respond by saying that is circular reasoning. The Government's authority is derived from the acquiescence of its constituents. If those constituents declare taxes theft then they are theft. Their logic is sound.

Great argument kiddo

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*points gun at you*
Give me X% of your income.

>The Government's authority is derived from the acquiescence of its constituents
lol no its literally the opposite

>acquiescence of its constituents. If those constituents declare taxes theft then they are theft.
*majority of constituents

Nice meme flag, faggot.

It’s theft because all government action is backed by superior force

>do work
>make money
>government takes money from you

It's not theft, right? Sage.

According to whom? Property is an extension of the self, and you cannot say you own anything if you do not have full authority over said thing. We are a society that holds property as a natural right as it is rightfully so. We are a society that is predicated upon the development of Common Law/Natural Rights Ethics. Included in this ethic is the recognition that one cannot be entered into any agreement without being presented with the agreement. Also included in this ethic is the idea of informed consent for entrance into any contract. I have never been presented with a contract that has said that I need to pay the gang that is running the United States government.

Liberals would be used as filling for mass graves in communist country.

>It's not theft, right? Sage.
Legally? Of course not. So you mean morally? Well it doesn't harm society, in fact its purpose is to do the opposite.

Experience is the best teacher. Move to California, watch beaners swarm in by the millions then start a business. After paying the taxes to Sacramento to feed Paco, Paco, Paco, Paco and Paco, along with Maria, and after experiencing being threatened and harassed with phone calls and bank liens until you surrender YOUR MONEY to feed Paco Paco, Paco, Paco and Maria, because reasons, you'll know why taxation is theft. The good news is you'll join the GOP. I was a Democrat until taxation. Sacramento's attitude and what my money went for turned me red, user. See you at the party meeting.

think of it like paying the mob for protection. you're really just paying them so they don't fuck your life up.

The government doesn't define what theft is. The concept of theft is immutable and predates all governments. Any argument against this is sophistry.

Taxation isn't theft...any person who tells you otherwise is just a retard that doesn't understand how state functions.

With that said, sage.

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>government takes money from you by force and will throw you in jail if you do not comply
It's not rocket science

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In a lot of countires you can't renunciate your citizenship. Even then you are still obliged to pay taxes.
Citizenship is not a priviledge, it is a mark of your owner.

At a minimum it’s rent.

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>When you ask them about it they unironically call it a "voluntary system"
Kill em all

>The concept of theft is immutable and predates all governments
Okay, so what about the majority of people who willingly pay taxes. Is this theft?
Then you are describing extortion

So polanon, how would you feel if the polish government threatened you and threatened to take your home and food when you are poorer than nigger refugees are and after they take your money from you they give it to nigger refugees? Then those same niggers call you polack to your face and you can't do anything about it? That's not happening to you. It is happening to us. He's American asking about US taxes. Shut the fuck up about shit you clearly don't know

What about the majority of people who willingly pay muggers. Is that theft? They WILLINGLY TRADED MONEY TO NOT DIE THEREFORE IT'S NOT THEFT HAHAHAHAHAHA

>Then you are describing extortion
Yes. Yes I am.

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DON'T WORRY THE MUGGER WAS GONNA SPEND IT ON CRACK ROCKS FOR HIMSELF AND HIS BABY MOMMA SO IT'S FOR THE GREATER GOOD

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>rick and normie
>200iq btw

>Hurr durr I'm literally incoherent

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Then its a democratic decision to allow it. Is that really extortion?

It's an issue of semantics and you know it. It's the exact same action somehow legitimized by the notion that somebody was elected to perform the theft. You can say it's beneficial to society, you can say it's a requirement of society. But anything you say is just a justification or rationalization for the existence of the theft rather than a denial of the theft actually occurring.

See: Legal plunder

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And this is why we need thermonuclear open carry.

Apparently you are. I wouldn't speak about Polish customs and taxes because I'm not Polish, I don't live in Poland, and I wouldn't know what I'm talking about. So what's your reasons for riffing on American shit you don't know? You've never paid US taxes, shill.

Self employed, never paid taxes.
AMA. I don't buy flashy shit and I keep money in USD value on multiple bitcoin exchanges. (If prices crash, I am okay, storing it in USD)

I understood his post, maybe you should go back to English class you fucking polack

If the US democratically voted to invade Canada, would it really be war?

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>The basic concept of taxation is different in America

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>Self employed, never paid taxes.
So how do you manage not to report your earnings to the IRS or the state of your residence, user, and how long do you think you'll get away with that? They WILL get you. They WILL find out.

yea, is actually correct. Fuck off, you don't know what the USA is like, so go suck on a Russian perogi.

Guys gun confiscation isn't theft since democrats voted for it! They are the majority after all :^)

You should be asking would it be a justified war

Rick wouldn't even comment on taxes. The Galactic Federation is a thousand times worse than the US Government is in real life. In the show he displays absolutely zero animosity toward the US Government. If anything he and President Keith David are practically best friends.

If we allow unethical things to be legitimized by simple majority vote, what is stopping the majority from voting to take away everything from the minority? Ethics is above law, not below it. Law must conform to ethics, not ethics to law. If your laws are unjust then they should not be followed. I will never follow a law that tells me I must kill, steal, or harm anyone else. I will never allow any law which has unethical consequences to be legitimate in my mind nor in those whom I can convince otherwise.

Why vote to invade? We outnumber them, just vote them in as a territory. There's more of us approving than there are of them disapproving. That makes it right. :^)

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It really is though. Americans don't see themselves as serfs/peasants like you Europeans do.

Do I really have to justify invading Canada?

I hate the show and the fans but, he did mention the US government used 9/11 as a pretext for war in the middle east and to take away our rights. They also mentioned US foreign aid to Israel.

If niggers and taking your taxes, then instead of getting rid of taxation like a fucking retard just rid the country of niggers. Or pass a law that stops giving free gibs to niggers. Fuck, burgers are stupid.

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Dan Harmon is wrapped in impenetrable layers of irony.

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>If we allow unethical things to be legitimized by simple majority vote, what is stopping the majority from voting to take away everything from the minority?
Quick reminder you're talking to a democrat

Ah yes user, let's go straight back to the good ol' monarchy

this thread: Taxation IS theft and thats a good thing, here's why

Never paid taxes, even when younger I lived with mom until 20s never paid taxes I made no income. I don't own a car, I rent half a house from a friend who I pay cash. Literally most valuable thing I own is my PC.

He is assuming it is unethical. Is avoiding paying taxes ethical? Hiding your earnings in an offshore accout etc.?

Federal direct tax has always been unconstitutional. Tariffs and sales tax are the only constitutional methods of taxation. Everything else is theft. States may implement direct tax only if their state constitution allows it.

That's one hell of a jump, don't you think? Making the argument that something like, "Democracy is the least-bad system we've devised thus far" is not exactly a resounding endorsement of democracy.

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That depends entirely on there being a uniform code of ethics, which there is not.

>you cannot say you own anything if you do not have full authority over said thing
>I own land here

Cognitive dissonance

When those in power pocket the money instead of using to better society like it's intended to.

Well yeah, so he can't just say 'its unethical' can he?

>Ooga booga, taxation is theft because the fundamental idea of a state is a societal creation
May I remind you that the concept of ownership is also societal creation?

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Why does it supposedly being in the constitution make it not theft?

It's not, only complete retards actually believe that Taxation is theft.

Now, you can argue taxation is UNFAIR, or UNJUST, but it's not illegal. The constitution and the entire government was built on the foundation that taxes were necessary and proper. Theft has a definition and by any measure taxation doesn't fit it at all.

As I said earlier, only COMPLETE RETARDS think that Taxation is theft. Like literal microscopic brainlets.

>just rid the country of niggers
wow, such an easy solution! they sure teach good leftist reasoning over there. come back to the table when you've come up with a better solution than >le ez mass genocide hur dur
is this reddit?

>fuck paying for roads and cops and firefighters and shit

He can, because it is unethical as per his own code of ethics... which is a fundamental thing to which every human is entitled. This is not to guarantee that his ethics are the same as yours, or that his ethics are correct and yours are not. You can both be right and both be wrong at the same time-- and there is no arbitrator for the dispute. This is precisely why, for thousands of years, our fathers and their fathers before them have had forums in which they debate the subjects of the day in order to see if they can find a common ground upon which they can build some sort of civility.

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>Reeee strawman
My point is that you should be pointing and isolating the problem, instead of pointing at the greater system and lazily destroying it.

Pic related.

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The issue is that you’re not allowed to get away from it. If I stop using government services such as roads, postal service, etc, and move into the middle of the woods on land I own, farm my own food, and make my own tools, they will still charge me property tax on the land despite our one-sided relationship. At that point it becomes extortion. You’re not even allowed to own the land you live on without the government constantly charging you just for being on it. They don’t own it, you do, but they consider everything within the confines of our borders their property and you’re just renting it.
How is that not extortion?

God doesn't exist.

hmmm, your own words
>just rid the country of niggers

so, you also don't know what a strawman is, either. I lose more respect for your nation every time I see the drivel that comes out of polanon mouths

>on land I own

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>Ooga booga everything is subjective
No one cares about your shitty subjection argument, if everything is subjective and there is no truth, the statement is also subject to itself. And there is an arbitrator, everyone else. Who is going to judge which argument is better, no one? Each other?

That's why we have affirmative action in any non-brainlet state and ideology, cause anarchy is the most retarded non-ideology by far.

You are retarded, that’s obviously not what he meant.

>get told to give a percentage of your income to the government
>get told to give a portion of any financial transaction you make to the government
>if you have money left over at the end of the year, you must give part of it to the government
>if you refuse they lock you in a cage
gee I have no idea how anyone could think it's theft.

>Let me explain to you what your statement meant...

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Give us an example of a different scenario where a thief locks you up if you refuse to give them what they're after

imo it isn’t generally theft but some kinds of taxes are, e.g. income tax
it’s basically taking away money you earned