Why do all Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans have PTSD?

I read something about this a few years ago. The theory was that after wars like ww1 and ww2 soldiers had a consideable distance they had to travel by ship or by marching so they had a lot of time to talk about their experience eriences and their trauma together. Today when your tour is over you’re on a plane and home in less than a day meaning soldiers don’t have much time to debrief with people who have shared experience. Then they go home to their families and are expected no to talk about the graphic horrible things they witnessed.

the IEDs are what gives guys ptsd, in my experience. you have to be paranoid about every rock formation, trash pile, etc., on the side of the road and if you relax that's when you get blown the fuck up. after getting hit by one or two IEDs (assuming you're in your armored vehicle and don't get too fucked up) your paranoia spikes permanently. I have known fellow vet buddies who have a sudden snap-flashback in america while driving and seeing a trash can on the side of the road and their adrenaline spikes and they start shaking and stop the car because they can't handle driving past it.

add to this the traumatic brain injury caused by the pressure wave of a blast and it's bad news.

Their could definitely be something to this. Not really any good way to artificially recreate that decompressing atmosphere either.

you're not meant to see your friends die around you. Some do go through severe physiological trauma

Cause their pussies

those vets had agent orange and god knows what else tested on them. Same deal with Gulf1 only with chemical weapon suits which were full of holes, sold by jews of course

This is my personal opinion that in addition to this the fact that the military in most nations is very specialized and a very small percentage of the population may have something to do with it. You don’t know a lot of people who actually served when you get home and even fewer actually saw combat and even fewer than that say anything truly horrendous. So people who have suffered this trauma probably feel very isolated and like no one can relate.

Gfy lying bitch

fpbp

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All soldiers get some kind of PTSD you just get paid for it now so more people say they have it

Not all have it, just a lot.

I was gonna say this. Every Vet I've talked to always mentions the fear of IEDs.

68% of coalition forces casualties or some shit are from IEDs

your brain rocks around like an egg in your skull, and its exacerbated when strapped inside a helmet

then the whole 99% boredom, 1% extreme terror aspect

enemy attacks you with extreme violence then slips away

and the weakness of a volunteer military is that it must constantly deploy the same people over and over

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Most of the guys I knew attributed it to the fucking IEDs, being that on edge all the time at the site of anything slightly suspicious can be difficult to snap out of. Plus there's a sense that you chose to be there, like you're responsible for the things you did more so than you would be if you were drafted.

Vet user here, I agree with this 100%

>~5k US deaths in 15 years between 2 wars
>1 million US personnel served
I saw 2 IEDS go off over 4 tours.
There were hardly any IEDS. you all watch too much jewtube sandnigger propaganda.

My father doesn’t and he helped shoot up the ragheads in Afghanistan. But you see the PTSD is very good propaganda. All the sympathetic libfags have no choice but to support the military if the military suffers mental illness and needs special treatment. The chad right does not use this to their advantage enough.

I dont have it. It is all the money. And the way they would do casualty reports and shit like that. For example, we had a guy momentarily lose consciousness after an IED. The vehicle sorta rolled into a ditch after cuz he was driver and passed out. So he got a purple heart for that and could easily get money cuz it was documented. But this guy was pretty stupid before the IED, so how could anyone really know for sure? The end.

*sight

So, the answers you're going to get have something do with
A) they're pussy boys lmao
B) not real lmao
C) it's a conspiracy, the government wants us to believe so they can get away with some ultimate brain control fuckery lmao
D) free money lmao
E) logical answers explaining why they are traumatized, but replied to by people calling them faggots because they're not sucking off their conspiracy dicks lmao

To be fair, it is both D and E at least. I know prolly a good half dozen guys from my unit who are now just swimming in free money and free shit from the VA and they never saw so much as a camel spider. Soooo....there ya go.

>Lying
Nigger they hand that shit out like candy. They tried to give it to me, but I declined it. I was worried it would fuck with my 2A rights down the road. So fuck you faggot, POG and kys

I will tell you that it is because when you come home from a tour of explosions and gunshots... You walk on your barracks and realize that there is no one there for you. And then when you EAS that same feeling occurs., That you are truly alone in this world and nobody cares about you

what a bunch of pussies, warfare used to be more bloody and physical with sharp swords, no medicine, etc, and men didn't bitch like the american pussies

Thats because your stupid nigger ass hasnt been to Sangin. I witnessed 18 IED strikes 4 of thrm amputees, 2 killed. unit alone found over 500.please shut the fuck up chairfag

Must be a fucking POG.

Been a while since i saw or heard POG. lol. Thanks user.

you see the poor peasants complaining about PTSD when americans come over and invade them? no. they kill the americans with their rusty ww2 tech weapons. the american pussies are the ones to get all shell shocked and afraid or some shit, because they are cowards, because they know their war is not a fair war.

It's supposed to be caused by being on edge for long periods of time, not shit that's over in a few days.

In world war two the average infantry man saw a total of two weeks of combat during their tour. The average combat arms guy in Afghanistan sees 300 days of combat in one tour. Not to mention IEDs, which are something world war two vets didn't have to deal with. Even worse than that a lot of Afghanistan/Iraq vets have done multiple tours.

Soldiers are conditioned by the military, broken down in training and trained to rely on the male buddy system. Work for your squad, the guy next to you etc.

After their tour they go back home and don't have anyone to talk to about it. They have been conditioned for the male buddy system but no guys really want to talk about feelings other than with the guys who were there. Only they would really understand.

there is still a lot of a 'man-up' attitude and its no secret a lot of damaged and hurt people join the military for a number of reasons. sometimes that guy who was your best bud just got killed.

When veterans get together it reactivates the male buddy system and they feel better. This is neuroscience and evolutionary psychological approach and you are free to look into it if you wish, I won't prove you shit.

I'd give the advice to soldiers with ptsd considering this to maybe look at getting some weed to observe first hand the change in perception and consciousness possible in life, getting real and sorting out your mental with a therapist you can trust, focusing on looking after yourself and getting into meditation maybe. But a lot of this is far too hard and no one should fucking blame you for the way you behave right now because ptsd changes the brain (which can be changed again in a positive).

Pain will show you many lessons in life and ultimately may motivate you to start taking care of yourself. Lot of soldiers might feel guilty they are still alive. They shouldn't feel guilty one bit, but that's the way the brain works sometimes.

>Niggercountry
>No sense of humanity
Yup, seems logical from here

POGs need to be put in their fucking place at every sighting. Nigger says he only ever saw 2 IEDs...seems legit when you never leave the fucking wire.

>germuny jipnation didnt use landmines
Kill yourself

yeah the poor as fuck goat farmers aren't used to having high tech military men walking all over their country and planes bombing the shit out of them either, tough luck american coward.

Is that Patrick Little in Op's pic?

Sometimes I get home at night to my country farm where the closest neighbor is a good half mile away, and it is dark and windy and creepy. I sometimes think oh man someone could be out here looking to get me or creep on me Podesta style. Then I remember "oh yeah Im the fucking queen of battle. I own the night." So then i pull my dick out and strut around the yard a bit, listening for John or Tony to make their move. So far they never have. Scared of teh Infantry i suppose.

Only saw one IED go off on my deployment, and only got into two “firefights”. Got IDF plenty but it was so terribly aimed that it was kind of a joke.
I think timeline probably matters quite a bit. I’m talking about 2011 Afghanistan and someone in 2007 Afghanistan or Iraq is gonna have a completely different experience. Same with invasion era.

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kek I do the same shit

weak basedboys who don't enjoy the thrill of battle

>2 killed
Wow
I lost 1/2 my platoon in Nam but you dont see me crying like some little faggot.

don't know about you but for me that sounds like a great time

yeah where's your sense of humanity when starting wars for israel thousands of miles away and kill/elad to the deaths of hundreds of thousands? where's your sense of humanity when you accidentally bomb a hospital? Am I supposed to feel sorry for the poor ptsd american soldiers?

Your war is not a just war, and that is what torments your spirits.

I don't have PTSD, at least I don't get paid for it anyway, I was up in the Korengal for a year and on the Pak border for another year. First time was all direct and indirect fire with really only two IEDs (both resulted in friend KIAs), second was a shit ton of IEDs and almost exclusively indirect via mortars, recoilless rockets, etc. It really depends and when and where you were, and more importantly whether you actually left the fucking wire.

My two cents are that we all miss the brotherhood, comraderie and fucking manliness of our Squads, Platoons etc. You have a strong fucking backbone of support within that tight-knit unit. Having been out for a few years now I can tell you the worst part of being a civilian is the absolute fucking boredom of everyday life and the fact that noone out here has your back like your boys did. For some guys thats enough to make them feel isolated to the point of depression and suicide.

The real treatment for PTSD isn't fucking meds, it's getting dudes together in Squads and giving them a purpose. If our VA and our country really wanted to solve the problem that's exactly what we'd do.

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I only saw ever 1 first hand. No serious injuries but fuck if it didn't shake everyone up. Especially having heard of so many lads getting blown to bits.

Too much civilians got hurt. Maybe you ignore for a while but it will come back one day

In older wars you had guys with weeks between combat or fear of imminent danger. For me it was 9 months straight of foot patrols with the Afghan National Army with several insider attacks and always having to be aware of ieds in whatever convoy movements. My only days off than the initial handoff with the previous unit and the incoming one was one day after getting concussed by an ied, since I was a platoon Fires Obsever and had to remove the padding in my helmet for use of my peltars which made banging my head against the inside of a MATV a bad experience, or days after an insider attack. Imagine working alongside local forces, witnessing one try you waste one of your friends, and then having to go back out with them within day or two. The fucking paranoia was real, being the platoon observer was worse since your the fucker with all the radios and antennas shooting off of you and snipers aim for that guy first.

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Why are you implying Afghanis and Iraqis don't have PTSD? They 100% do.

Blue Spaders?

I said iwitnessed 2 killed you boomer fag. 25 killed 248 wounded. Fuck you look up darkhorse
I lost half my platoon too fucktard,

Only sociopaths cant get PTSD.

Sebastian Junger the kike who was embeded in the korengal did a film and book after restrepo explaining why the sooldiers miss being there.

Tribe mind tribe life senpai

Its very convinient to have a medical condition that you cant really disprove having that lets you buy strong sedatives

Beware of that edge, kiddo!

Junger is one of the VERY few reporters I respect. He never exaggerated or changed stories. His perspective was always that of the grunts. Some other reporters i.e. Richard Engal were as Jewish as it gets.

>IEDs, which are something world war two vets didn't have to deal with.
Are you retarded?
>what are landmines
>what are grenades underneath dead bodies
>what are suitcase bombs

He is also a huge shitlib who shills for Israel and against whites and did several pro immigration and refuggee docs and pieces. Hope he dies like the dumb grunts who went to die for jews.

You are thousands of miles from home in some backwater country that doesn't pose any direct threat to you, why should I feel sorry for you? Your war is not just, you get all this PTSD shit because you know you are wrong.

End voluntary service, bring back conscription and start conscripting all the sons from rich families and you'll see how fast these wars end.

archive.org/stream/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket_djvu.txt

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>conscripting all the sons from rich families
That didnt keep us out of WWII

Pay your dues to NATO, portusluts

But it ended didn't it? How come your adventures in the middle east are still going on? How many decades will it take?

Because its a weird, unpredictable kind of warfare where you're often worried sick you'll get shot or blown up at any given moment.

ptsd is a type of anxiety disorder, I suffer from anxiety and basically what happens is you make real the horrible ideas, images and dangers in your head so that it activates your fear response. You get stuck thinking about scary things all the time and this increases your sensitivity, make you shell up and feel very fragile. It's really awful to deal with. Soldiers have always gotten ptsd, it was called shell shock in the old days.

>working alongside local forces, witnessing one try you waste one of your friends, and then having to go back out with them within day or two.
Um why didnt you shoot him? How tf did he not get thrown in the brig or whatever? They actually trust a traitor to just not be a traitor the next day? I call bullshit

Because modern "men" are literal pussies
WW2 vets saw 100x times more fucked up shit and they continued living their life perfectly fine

>Why do all Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans have PTSD?
it probably has something to do with that check you don't get every month for the rest of your life if you get discharged without PTSD.

>IED
>Landmine
>Grenade
>memeflag
>thinking they are all the same thing
>A FUCKING LEAF.
no. Unlike a landmine, IEDs in Afghanistan were mostly wood and tin foil. my mine detector cannot detect them.

Underrated. Excellent post, sir.

You sure about that, pastafucker?

There is a lot to this.
The other thing to consider is that soldiers today are drawn from a pool of civilians that are different from those of preceding generations. Today’s young men come from a society that doesn’t have the same social supports (community, family, church etc). In addition, how many young men today have experience hunting, or slaughtering farm animals? They are preconditioned by video games and media to expect “war” to look a certain way and the reality is very different.

I think the main culprit of PTSD is just the fact that soldiers having witnessed death and intense sorrow have to return to a society where death as a topic is generally avoided and where people rarely experience morbid suffering. In ancient times I doubt there was PTSD because the realities of life were far more apparent and in your face.

I can only assume that it's having to be juxtaposed between 'normal civil society' where everything is painted in a sanitized veneer and coping with the realities of war. Back in ancient times, death was so common and such a part of life that you didn't have to 'integrate' back into society after having been involved in intense battle and trauma.

The war in the middle east is fucking insane the use of guerrilla warfare and IEDs is to much not many men can handle that shit

Rich coming from some pasta prick on the internet. Men better than myself and certainly better than you didn't make it home. You should show respect to your betters.

>20 saudi arabians blow up twin towers

>so USA decides to invade secular iraq, not saudi arabia, to depose secular anti terrorist dictator on the grounds of weapons of mass destruction that were never there

>then invade afghanistan because osama bin laden is hiding there, >afghanistan code of ethics includes giving hospitality to asylum seekers and fighting fiercely against all invaders (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali)
>afghanistan is a country of iranians not saudi arabians did I mention

>usa invades in 2001, Osama FLEES TO PAKISTAN in 2002
>is killed in 2011
>war in afghanistan still going on as of 2018

USA intervention in the middle east is more fucked up and unjustified than vietnam and vietnam was the 'bad' war, because people filled the streets with protest USA eventually gave up an withdrawed

now just no one gives a fuck apparently, or doesn't know.

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that's not true, soldiers in the past did get ptsd, they had other names for it. Vietnam vets got it more than current day soldiers.

They found out 9/11 was planned. They let muslims rape little boys by following orders not to interfere. Etc etc

Redpills are their tormentor.

I feel bad for them and hope they kill the mental cowards that raised them, instead of themselves.

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The isolation following service is vastly underestimated in it's severity. Everyone talks about how traumatic combat was but truth be told there are guys who fucking loved it and still have PTSD or at the very least depressive disorders. You go from months of being a tight knit, closer than family unit to totally alone. Civilian life is cold.

Not every dude in ww2 had a mine detector either, nigger. My point was that it's an explosive somewhere that you wouldn't expect one to be (underground or on a dead person).

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USA in WW2 - 4 years
USA in Afghanistan - 17 years and counting

Like I said, voluntary service is only feeding the military industrial complex - it will never end - bring back conscription and start putting rich family sons on the front line.

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No one is being drafted, so no one cares you basic bitch. Those college kids didn't give a fuck about Vietnam either, they were just too pussy and scared that uncle might pull their number next.

Loads of WWI and WWII vets had PTSD. That was when psychologists really started to recognise it as a thing. Before that soldiers and warriors would always have gotten it, but it just went undiagnosed so they either would have just suffered in silence or have been just written off as mad.

cont.
If they can make lots of money on war, they can also pay with their sons.

yeah you're right, I forgot about that important detail.

at least little kids can transgender before puberty though now

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memeflag

>Why do all
ridiculous overstatement

>have PTSD
what do you think they do when they are over there? play vidya and shitpost all day like you, you faggot?

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Imagine putting your life on the line and wasting your youth, and seeing your friends get killed and maimed just because some jews wanted to destroy Iraq.

How many more barrels are under there?

There were still loads of wars back when all army officers were aristocrats.

point is that they ended. it wasn't this perpetual war thing fueled by all sorts of gov. contracts, corporations, etc.