Bipedal robots that will be able to do blue collar jobs with precision, self driving cars and drones that can do cross state delivery without the need to eat or sleep.
Entire stores without cashiers, associates, or cleaning staff. AI paralegals and assistants that will eliminate millions of entry level jobs.
What's going to happen to us when tens of millions of jobs disappear within the next decade? If unemployment above 10% causes civil unrest, what will happen when it reaches 50%?
A lot of this culture war shit feels like we're rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
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Carter Sanchez
woah cool I've never seen beak language on Jow Forums before
William Moore
What happened to all the horses after the industrial revolution? The same will happen to humanity.
They won't need 8 billion useless consumers. I think it's fairly obvious what they will do. It's only a question of When, and how to avoid being slaughtered.
>projections about what vague blanket tasks a computer will be able to do 70+ years in the future I really hate singularityniggers
Logan Myers
Neat, let me know when they make one that doesn't fall over without wires holding it up. Self driving cars are also bs btw, right now they can't get one that can drive even one mile unassisted. Even if they get the tech to the point where it can do that, they'll likely be putting around at 10mph and require every human (and animal) to be forced far away from the roads so the bots don't get confused.
I don't like technology because of how it concentrates power in the hand of the elite. I don't want any of that, but it's inevitable. The timeline isn't really important. What matters is that there's no stopping of technological progress and that the Masses will become redundant.
Nice projection there mr. room temperature IQ. Look, I get it, you like sci fi movies. Fact is certain things are impossible for a computer to learn. For example, you can teach a computer chess. You can even make a computer that can learn chess. But you can't ever make a computer that can look at a knocked over chess board, see a cat, and then make the connection that the cat knocked over the chess board. They're tools, nothing more.
Billionaires are already working on contingency plans for when society falls apart. One actually talked about the possibility of putting shock collars on his bodyguards if things get bad enough that money becomes useless.
Mercenaries, assassins, and bodyguards are jobs that can be phased out by technology as well. Robots don't need money in exchange for loyalty
Easton Perry
once they replace those fuckers who keep breaking my shit from fedex i will be happy
Christian Peterson
A bipedal robot that can navigate terrain, interiors, and track down prey doesn't need to know why it needs to follow orders. The tech that can develop all that is already here, and is at the stage of being incrementally iterated upon until it reaches efficiency.
Tablets and touch screens were once something you only saw in star trek, and now they're everywhere. Sci-fi can become reality overnight
Carson Smith
Just like how fusion power has been a couple decades away for the last 70 years, huh?
I have no doubt it will happen eventually, but you guys are delusional if you think this tech is anywhere close to ready for prime time yet, much less affordable enough to become mainstream.
Machines have existed to harvest many vegetables and fruits for years, and yet farmers still pay migrant workers to do it. Why? Because the ROI just isn't there yet. Just because a piece of technology exists, doesn't mean that technology is better (cheaper, more efficient, etc.) than human labor.
I'm in automation and I can say it makes absolutely no sense to build a bipedal robot to perform any of those functions you mentioned.
There are literally a hundred other much more viable solutions to make a working automaton move around and perform "blue collar jobs".
The only reasoning for a bipedal robot is one based in vanity: a designer looks at people and says "thats the basic design ill use for this thing" which is imbecility manifest
>Billionaires are already working on contingency plans for when society falls apart. It does seem like only billionaires and redpilled people actually are aware of the inevitable bloodshed of the future.
>When the hedge funders asked me the best way to maintain authority over their security forces after “the event,” I suggested that their best bet would be to treat those people really well, right now... ...the more they can expand this ethos of inclusivity to the rest of their business practices... the less chance there will be of an “event” in the first place. >They were amused by my optimism This guy really is bluepilled.
Thanks for the article by the way. Will show it to a mate.
And this is what they're choosing to show on youtube
Joshua King
Fusion is unironically just around the corner thanks to recent advancements. The last 70 years of spin has just been retards with no knowledge of the science involved. Thanks to recent advances in superconductors massively increasing the kind of magnetic fields available for use it is absolutely viable. The first positive Q AND positive electrical generation prototype is under construction RIGHT NOW. Google SPARC and learn what the fuck you are talking about before you post stupid shit you dense cunt.
Anthony Hall
Call me when they make a robot that doesn't walk like it's shit itself.
Ayden Moore
''People have made bad predictions in the past'', that's not a very smart argument.
Unlimited energy and unlimited resources are unironically the only things I could imagine stopping the inevitable Event. Could they make rare resources from common earth resources and does ''free energy'' exist? I don't believe so. The one thing guaranteeing the Event is that we live on a finite Earth. We have finite space, finite resources, finite energy. In the current paradigm, the existence of the masses is benefit to the most powerful. This probably won't be the case in the future due to automation.
>And this is what they're choosing to show on youtube Exactly. Research teams that are spearheading the most dangerous and powerful technological advancements absolutely won't spill their information-advantage away.
Synthetic muscles are just starting to be created. Right now they're weak as fuck and need to be strapped to large machines to work at all, but constant iteration will get them to match human muscles before we know it.
Sounds like a good reason to heavily curb immigration of jobs are going to go down.
Its almost like certain forces within your government and ours wants to suppress the workers wage by keeping the market flooded with desperate migrants who'll work for slave wages.
Luis Miller
Good, fuck menial tasks, I'm tired of that shit. The robotics age will help alleviate this planet of it's dumbest denizens and pave the way to colonization of our solar system. Fuck feeding niggers, we're out of here.
Andrew Lee
>But you can't ever make a computer that can look at a knocked over chess board, see a cat, and then make the connection that the cat knocked over the chess board What fundamental law of nature says that’s impossible? Just because we are retarded monkeys who cant figure out how to program a computer to do that, doesnt mean it cant or wont be done.(by the way its closer than you think)
Also the user you called room temperature IQ was right to think you are retarded for doubting self driving cars. I have experienced Tesla’s autopilot first hand, and it was the most impressive display of tech ive ever seen. Its not limited to 10mph, i rode it on a highway. Sure there are some improvements to be made. However, even if it never advances further from the point its at now, you are already wrong about it not being able to drive a mile unassisted and it being limited to 10mph. If you look at hours driven per crash, its already a more reliable driver than humans.
Bentley King
>What's going to happen to us when tens of millions of jobs disappear within the next decade? I don't know but we should open the borders because borders are nazi and racist.
Ayden Jenkins
Ultimately capitalism will not survive. Socialism/communism are the only economic philosophies that are compatible with automation.
lol, have fun living in the AIDS ridden shanty towns of the future. You're either going to be rich beyond your wildest dreams or sleeping in the gutter and hoping your emaciated body has enough energy to make it through the night. This is the future of humanity, the dead weight will be cut away.
Hunter Baker
They won't need to sell products anymore, as they will own all the material capital and have reached post-scarcity.
Angel Martin
how long will normies survive when they have nothing to trade for dollars?
> post-scarcity Star Trek is the fantasy that if people are high-tech enough then communism doesn't fail horribly. Warhammer 40k is the reality that everything is shit. deadly shit.
which is better, cloned/grown GMO humans that can't feel pain and don't have emotions, or totally synthetic robots that have synthetic brains/computers? Which is easier to make? Robots would be my guess
Ryan Wilson
Post-scarcity is only for the owners of the planet, everybody else gets to subsist on "food" made from boiled carpet and animal waste.
Hunter Smith
Lawyers and accountants will be replaced long before blue-collar workers will.
Wyatt Hughes
>But you still can't get a proper 40k movie funded
Kek, my sides. Defs down to bankroll the proto-ecclesiarchy though desu.
Lucas Powell
Listen, i dont like socialism or communism, im just laying down the facts. When robots/AI take nearly all the jobs we are either going to abandon capitalism, kill off everyone who isnt a billionare, or abandon money entirely. Option number 2 will result in the survivors not having a need for money anymore, and you know damn well the jews wont let option 3 happen. Do the math.
>but muh (insert bastardized capitalism adjustments here) UBI, welfare, food stamps, and all that shit is not capitalism. If those increase steadily due to increasing demand of displaced workers, eventually it wont be capitalism anymore. Guess what it will be?
Ian Turner
I was going to say we could end up with a feudal system, with the rich lording over serfs with drones and synthetic footsoldiers. The need for slaves is eliminated by automation though.
I guess we'll end up with island paradises where Bezos' grandkids live like gods, their every wish granted by robot servants. Everyone else lives in a mad max hell-world.
Brayden Wilson
How about a 4th option: >the rich/powerful will kill off 90% of the population and rule over the last 10% with the iron fist a technocratic dictatorship
Angel Diaz
Honestly if you couldn't see this coming, I'm not sure what you expect anyone to do for you. Did you seriously think we'd need cashiers and frycooks at McDonalds in 2030? Or construction workers in 2040?
Jaxon Jackson
We'll have to have something called a Gandhian economic system which is essentially Communism masqueraded by free market capitalism. The marxist aspect of it stems from the "universal basic income" a these billionaires are pushing for. They know the automation revolution is coming which is why they're pushing for UBI so much right now. Families will still be able to buy what they from whichever company they want, they'll just have to rely on the government to give them that money. It's a really shitty and flawed system but it's the best way for them, in their eyes, to masquerade marxism.
Bentley Reed
This is the only way I can see, there comes a point where a small group owns so much capital of such high technological capacity that capitalism becomes redundant and no longer necessary. The super rich will live in there own cordoned off utopia where everything can be maintained with robotic capital while the rabble is forgotten about much like starving Africans.
This is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. I'm a software engineer working in data science. AI is what I do. It is absolutely possible for a computer to automate all those things without being specifically programmed to do them. As a college student, one of my personal projects was an RC car with a Raspberry Pi brain that could learn how to avoid and overcome obstacles. If I had a team of 2 other programmers and a little bit of extra cash for physical parts, I'm sure we could make a robot in a couple months that could not only recognize that the board was flipped, but also put it back to exactly the way it was. What exactly is the basis for any of these claims you're making?
Carson Lee
With what weapons? You are completely powerless against a group of people who could buy a commercial airliner and plow it into your house to kill you just for a laugh. You likely won't even be able to afford the gas money to get near these people.
Parker Mitchell
Of course not, but there are implications for all those jobs disappearing at the same time. All delivery drivers, cleaners, taxi drivers, factory workers, etc. Tens of millions of jobs that won't be contributing to the economy or paying taxes. Tens of millions of people on welfare. Tens of millions of young men being bored and angry.
> let's throw together some keywords for a big get: nuclear president nuclear iran spy robot package time angry rage nuclear hardware arduino ez ez 3d printed engineer male virgins
Don't forget about the gene editing revolution that will coincide with automation. The rich will be able to eliminate genetic defects and live longer than any human has before. There won't be any concerted effort to create some kind of ubermensch, but it will happen naturally with competitive billionaire parents trying to one up each other with superior children. Something along the lines of gattaca.
You're absolutely correct, and this is why people need to understand this now. Everyone telling you to get into just any trade is not thinking in the long term at all. But that doesn't mean you need to go into debt for a 4 year degree. Humans with even basic IT and programming skills will still probably be way more relevant to the job market 50 years from now than a welder or carpenter, and you can get jobs in these fields with an associates degree or just by being self-taught.
Find a skill that isn't easily outdone by machines, fren.
Carter Brown
>post scarcity society >with billions of niggers breeding like rats
Jayden Ortiz
I'm trying to make a deep psychological point my dude I don't care about the price of hamburgers. Also any process that can be automated at this point in time already has been. If you're still employed you can assume there isn't a machine that can do your job nearly as well.
Jayden Lewis
I think my chosen career path is fine in that regard but I think the obsession with making lifelike robots a little pathological.
Angel Martin
Back then there were jobs to fall back on. New technology created new opportunity. But what could possibly exist that a robot won't be able to do within our lifetime? Many here would point to STEM jobs, but AI is advancing at a frightening pace, and there is a huge possibility that some corporation or government is a few years away from creating true AI capable of doing any job at in a fraction of the time a human can.
Also, isn't the middle class the lifeblood of our economy? The people that buy things and pay taxes. What happens when that disappears? I guess the obscenely rich will get to live in gated communities on mars.
William Campbell
Space colonization is what will happen. Most of these technologies I am seeing here will make it possible to harvest resources from space and I already though of a way to move such resources incredibly cheap.
Only keep alive by Western good will. As soon their food supply is cut they will die quite quickly.
Noah Flores
There will just be universal basic income along with some kind of population control like taxes for families that have more than one child(untill the day we become a space faring nation then we can have theoritically limitless population so long as everyone finds space). Universal basic income is NOT socialism nor is it communism. Having all this automation really does cause such a huge paradigm shift in economics and resource distribution. You can now simply distribute the wealth without worrying about much. Who gives a shit if people eat and have clean water 100% free, its all produced for free anyway. So just distribute it out. Gives everyone in society even people who were fated to be a cashier or a dishwasher for life the chance to live their entire life of leisure or maybe they could use the time to just use their brain or improve themselves/society or volunteer and do charitable deeds. Its most certainly not a eutopia. If this CAN actually happen and if it happens by the time im a grandpa ill be telling my grand kids how easy they got it these days, my grandparents said same thing to me, 40 hour work week is nothing compared to the intense amounts of man hours they spent on their farm or grandmas did in sewing factorys or even 8 year old kids working overtime every week. Even as times get "easier" it makes the present appear like a eutopia to the past... well this cant happen. UBI would be limited, there would still be poverty as robots have limits. There still will be competition for resources, stupid people will still fuck up and use all their UBI on shitty stocks, gambling, drugs, or other degenerate things and ruin themselves. The only employed and wealthy people will be engineers, or soldiers or scientists. Doctors will die out.
Jeremiah Perry
You know the military has 100% put guns on these things
Caleb Carter
>West being filled to the brim with incompatible people, cultures, religions and ideologies >we're going to colonize space Pick one.
Jeremiah Butler
>I don't care about the price of hamburgers The rest of America does care about the price of hamburgers. The only reason a machine hasn't replaced a lot of people comes down to economics. People ask for too much, they mistakenly assume that wages must continue to rise to meet inflation but this is not how the world works. They generate the demand for their own replacement. The good days of high wages and low competition are gone, the rest of the world has caught up.
Jose Sanders
>There are no plans to continue improving our ability to replace tedious manual labor with machines. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
If by "lifelike" you mean looking and acting like humans, then I'm not personally very invested in that, but I'm sure countless companies are looking into it. If you mean doing the type of work humans used to do with more efficiency and accuracy, then that's essentially the job of every programmer and software engineer.
Benjamin Sullivan
Oh fuck off I work with AI and its all just a math trick. Its not actually thinking but feeding data through a complicated matrix with weights. It won't become self-aware but it will be good at parsing data for desired outcomes.
Anthony Diaz
>universal basic income >someone will look out for me >people need to be kept alive and happy just because
Delusional.
Bentley Murphy
If you haven't notice we are swing hard right. I will not be surprised if people start lynching niggers in 10 years.
Ian Allen
Someone else or another company that works in the same field as you, just might be coming to a different conclusion. Something disruptive and revolutionary could be years from completion.
More and more companies and governments are pouring billions into this. It's only a matter of time.
Bentley Hughes
AI and automation are not the same thing.
Lincoln Green
My point is just that if they had a machine that could to the job of a cook at a McDonalds they would have introduced them at all the McDonalds already. I get your point though and I'm sure around 10 years from now we'll start seeing fully automated fast food restaurants. Eventually if we continue on this trajectory though, we'll run into the issue where enough people can't find jobs that no one except for the rich has enough money to spend on anything. I don't know what happens at that point though, but certainly the system would not survive with a huge underclass that has no chance of improving their conditions unless there is some way to suppress their rebellions.
Ryder Allen
>Its not actually thinking but feeding data through a complicated matrix with weights
Hey look you just described yourself.
Juan Miller
We're a long way off from AI replacing stem jobs, or even many of the artsy jobs believe it or not. But if the daily tasks in your career can be described in a series of fairly repeatable steps with a mild to moderate learning curve, the next few decades will probably be a bit scary.
Oliver Green
Stop rewording what I said if you can't find a suitable response to it. Or are you just illiterate? Yeah I mean looking and acting like humans. I can understand industrial robots that are specialized to perform tasks with superhuman speed and efficiency, but what enjoyment could you get from a super lifelike robot if you know it's just a simulation of real human interaction?
Zachary Ramirez
They said that back in the 90s when they started this in the defense industry. It never worked that great. A great example was AI neural net meant to find tanks in surveillance photos got really good at finding clouds.
Adrian Cox
Biology is a tad more complicated than that.
Juan Nguyen
>Someone else or another company that works in the same field as you, just might be coming to a different conclusion. The other user was pretty correct about the "math trick" comment. That's pretty much modern AI. It is still very powerful, but it has it's limits. I suppose it is always "possible" for something totally revolutionary like that to be released, but anything exceeding current expectations would be pretty much like catapulting us 100 or so years into the future. Like using horse-drawn buggies as our primary means of transportation one day, and then having the internet introduced to us the next day.
Angel Brooks
Your brain is a computer that takes inputs, processes them through computational devices and configures outputs accordingly. Our brains just have millions of years of biological crap hanging around that make them way more complicated than they actually need to be. If an AI could pass the standard Turings then there is no quantifiable reason to say that it is not sentient.
Juan Wilson
If its all produced free yes, it will only make sense to be kept alive just because. Its done today with socialism. See how much health care poor ghetto trash have access to and never pay for it? Like i said its not going to be perfect, still will be lots of competition for things, still will be wars and crime and all that terrible shit. Who know perhaps all this will be even worse when robots basically produce wealth for free. We will likely all be killing each other for more robot slaves who knows.
Lucas Adams
when it happens it will happen overnight like going to blockbuster and getting some dvds to rent and when you return them the whole store is blueray with only a small section of dvds to rent only the most recent movies.
Noah Wright
>unless there is some way to suppress their rebellions That is very easy to do, America especially is filled to the brim with gun toting fudds that talk on and on about such ideas but never actually lift a finger to do anything ever. Too disorganized, too obsessed with defense rather than offense, always moving the goalposts about what level of oppression is going to be the final straw. These people can easily be fenced off and fooled into killing each other.
Chase Ross
Not sure what the snippy response is about. I don't think I said anything particularly offensive to you personally, and I thought how I asked for clarification was pretty reasonable. As I said, I have no interest in the idea of making anatomically and psychologically human-like robots. It weirds me out just as much as you.
Eli Lee
If you actually understand how the human brain works well enough to know for sure that it can be simulated using a computer than you should be doing doing AI research, but my guess is you're not and you're just making pseudo-scientific babble.
Owen Hall
>automation engineer >any job I want >$300k starting
You're not getting anything for free and the robots are all someone else's capital investment that work solely to increase their wealth and power. Socialism only keeps people alive because it needs workers to maintain it's ultimate power. Workers are no longer needed, so the power structure doesn't need you, you are obsolete and about as important as a Somalian stick bundler.
Landon Martin
eliminating so much labor, and the associated explosion in material wealth will mean you can sustain yourself with fewer hours worked. whatever hasn't been automated, and the new services now economically worthwhile, will be allocated among the population. because automation has flooded the market with goods, one hour of labor will buy exponentially more. what are we going to do with that free time?
and what are the new jobs going to be? are we all going to be twitch streamers? distilling craft spirits? blogging about the patriarchy? we already have such dumb shit that people actually do. the pit of Superfluous Shit That Is Now A Thing is bottomless.
Hudson Jackson
Well if they have robot armies Randy and Clevis with their AK-74's don't stand a chance. We would have to build killing robots of our own.
Levi Lee
It probably won't. It is currently just good at figuring out large permutations of possibilities and which is ideal choice to based on input. This is why self-driving cars kinda died off recently because they can't adapt to outside their per-defined conditions.
Ayden Torres
One could also think of it as our brains have billions of years of evolutionary forces that have proven its ability to exist in a hostile universe.
There's CGI out there that most people watch on a daily basis that could pass the Turing test, but could you really consider a movie sentient?
Nathaniel Wilson
> free time nigger, people will ALWAYS work AS HARD AS POSSIBLE because we are fighting each other for access to sex. slackers lose, and no one likes losers. no one gives a fuck that welfare buys unimaginable luxury of yrs ago. we grind to be the best, because only the best get sex.
Charles Cook
Eliminate minimum wage. Humans can be cheaper than building robots. If there's full employment there's no reason not to have automation to fill vacant roles.
Joseph Campbell
>This will happen and then we'll do this Never works that way in real life, they're always going to be 10 steps ahead just like they are today. There will be no robot armies. Just large walls guarded by Rabble Force A who have been promised a bunch of lies if they kill Rabble Force B. You didn't think the super rich were just going to risk damaging all their sophisticated machinery on garbage people did you?
Cooper Bailey
The Turing Test isn't a test of sentience at all though. Your reductionist perspective does nothing to further the development of AI at all. It's like if someone built a machine and said they had developed a fully sentient AI, and then when it fails to show any initiative and only seems capable of carrying out a few predefined tasks, you say "This doesn't seem human at all. It's just a machine", but they respond "Well humans just process inputs through computational devices to produce outputs, there's nothing different about it". In an abstract sense what they're saying makes sense, but you can still tell that the machine is in no way human.
John Jackson
It's pretty widely accepted at this point that a computer will be able to perfectly emulate a biological brain in the near future. The activity that goes on in any living brain is essentially stimulated by electric impulses, which perfectly mimic the way low and high voltages (0's and 1's) are used for processing in digital systems through Boolean logic. The question is how long it will take to perfectly recreate a human brain. The way we (millennials) were presented with this information is that we will see sentient machines in our lifetime, but of course that was info from a (((universiy))). However, it seems perfectly likely given my own experience in the industry and seeing first-hand how quickly things progress that this will indeed be the case.
