Wait a minute, so it was religion?

That's for qibla. Migration to dar al kufr is not allowed.

Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination. 4:97

And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. 4:100

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645

The first verse you mentioned from An Nisa doesn't say you can't go to or live in Dar al Kufr and if it did it would actually be contradicted by the next verse you quoted. And Quran overrules Hadith *always*.

Every Israeli strike against the terrorist state Gaza puts a smile on my face, every missile is a small bit of justice delivered which makes the world a better place.

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>first verse you mentioned from An Nisa doesn't say you can't go to or live in Dar al Kufr
yes it does, its talking about being oppressed in the land of kufr and asking them why they didnt leave

>it would actually be contradicted by the next verse you quoted
no, again its talking about alternative locations to migrate to for the sake of islam

>Quran overrules Hadith *always*.
yeah but in this case its sahih and theres no contradiction

only reason to live in non muslim lands is if
1. you do dawah
2. you can practice islam fully
which you cant since you have to be sinning daily like seeing women and using interest

they should bomb hezbolat imo

They've learned their lesson not long ago.

Well the condition clearly mentions that the people were oppressed and didn't leave. You can't just then take that verse and apply your ideological viewpoint onto it. Unless you want to take your seat in the hellfire.

>alternative locations
What locations are there other than Dar al Kufr or Dar al Islam. You need to stop applying a limited set of logic onto your statements and think of what the verse is saying in a wider perspective. We Muslims tend to not have anything other than a very literalist, rigid stance on what any verse is saying. Even though doing this is sinful in itself as you are applying your own ideology onto any given verse.

A lot of your assumptions are just bullshit and weak Salafist "logic".

I see you are a moderate cocopuff muslim, I used to be like this sadly. Listen, this small oppression will get worst and you won't be able to live there in the near term. So I advise leaving. May Allah swt guide us in either case.

>moderate cocopuff muslim
You don't know me very well, kiddy. I'm not very moderate. And you are very retarded to think that because I advocate use of logic, context, perspective and rationality that I would be. Don't worry though, I don't expect much thought from literalist Salafis.

Civic nationalist faggots love to blame Islam. They wuz gud boys they jus been misled by bad ideas n shieet.

No. Sandniggers are a bunch of violent inbred rapists who should fuck off back to the desert where they belong

There's literally nothing wrong with salafism.

Everything is wrong with it, starting with the name. The Quran states clearly in 5:7 that many verses are not meant to taken literally and that those would do are the diseased. Yet you Salafis insist on your literalist and rigid bullshit? Who the fuck are you trying to kid? There are one or two very isolated/quarantine Salafi mosques where I'm from. The people I see going there are the low IQ degenerate nigger-culture NEET types. That tells me pretty much all I need to know about Salafis though I understand your ideology well enough. You have no people of quality because people of quality see through your bullshit instantly.

Also if you think I'm moderate read my first post ITT. You don't know shit about me. I advise you to stop judging your fellow Muslims, maybe our thinking has advanced far past your own and you are stuck at alif bay tay.

Answer him paki

>The Quran states clearly in 5:7 that many verses are not meant to taken literally and that those would do are the diseased

Quran 3:7

"He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive (Muhkam), they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical (Mutashabih); then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding."

First, in your seething rage you didn't even quote the right verse. Second, I will explain it. We accept that verse obviously, we aren't absolute literalists at all, there are clear verses where we derive rulings, there are the MAJORITY of the book. Those I posted are indeed clear rulings. And not mutashabihat verses. If you claim the previous verses I posted about migration don't apply in your case, then fine that's your opinion, but if you claim they are metaphorical then you will need to prove that. Salafism is only following the quran and sunnah according to the understanding of the first 3 generations. Every muslim, is in theory, a salafi. Since all the 4 schools of Islam follow the imams of the salaf. I won't put it against you if you are a paki with little arabic knowledge.

If you knew anything about Islam and stopped pretending you did, you wouldn't look like such a fool and rage at a fellow muslim.

O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. 49:11

At the end she still goes
>Not all muslims
She wants more of it obviously

Let's see the flag. I can almost guarantee you are a 70 IQ North African.

It manifestly isn't all Muslims though

Racist deviant.

Yeah I got the wrong verse, its still early here, I woke up like an hour ago. Its so well known that it was easy for you to correct me so there you go.
>seething
lol nice meme buzzword but I am not seething, just pointing out to you why I disagree with the failed ideology of Salafism. If you people had a clue, ISIS wouldn't have been a complete shitshow from the start.
So you think 4:97 is a ruling? And not mutashabihah? Whats your basis? To me it seems it could go either way so I'm surprised you are so certain it's definitely a mukhamat. Maybe you are ready to take a seat in the hellfire after all.
And in most cases, especially when it comes to deriving rulings from the Quran (which is what I was on about from the beginning) then yes Salafis are absolute literalists, and absolute morons I might add.
>4 schools means everyone should be salafi
Lmao. Like I said you don't really apply much thinking, maybe you should start instead of just following what you've been told in a book by some dumbo Salafi """alim""".
I'm ridiculing you with a view to correcting you, I have debated many of you in the past, and you always run away like crying babies when I start dropping logic and facts.

Muslim = target to extermination

why do you care, english "teacher" ? we dont have to worry about pakis exploding in this country. why even fucking post on Jow Forums anymore, we're living the dream in this mystical island

this is why americans drone strike your hospitals, and it's a good thing

>calls me a paki
>gets mad about my comment
See how bad you are at logic? And this inability to logic feeds into virtually every other part of your thinking. Worth considering very deeply.
Also you have no basis to call anyone a deviant, especially being a Salafi. Your little group of bought-off "scholars" are the worst deviants in Islam of the current age, because all of the other deviant sects like Shia are very upfront about their deviance, only you dress it up as obedience to the Quran and Hadith.
The best and most recent example of how you will always fail is ISIS. You don't have any rational capacity to judge and think and use logic, you only chimp out like goons and you got ended like the chimps you are. Its sad because Iraq and Syria could have done with some good governance but when you only have a pool of low IQ chimps to pick from, then you are only going to get a zoo.

>She wants more of it obviously

She doesn't want to face the leftist lynching mob and on top of being perceived as a used up sex slave/whore/years long rape victim also be perceived, labeled and outcast as an islamo-/xenophobic racist. Sad fucking state.

What she probably meant was: those who label themselves muslims in spite of them ignoring the totality of teachings of the "religion" aren't religiously sanctified rapists or facilitators of religiously sanctified rape per se.

One more thing, Salafi, you have to give a basis for why you said
>That's for qibla
Why do you assume this verse isn't mutashabihah?
Again unless you are preparing your seat in the hellfire, in which case continue as you were. Filthy follower of Najd.

Any proof is mutashabihat? These are a minority of verses. 4:97 is definitely clear
saying things without proof will land you in jahanum

>4 schools means everyone should be salafi
the 4 imams were salafs prove me wrong instead of using strawmen

>call me a paki
whats wrong with that? i never said its low iq or anything bad about being a pakistani, I actually reached my word limit so i shortened it

you call us deviant yet im certain you cuck for kuffar daily and are nice with them yet are strict and harsh with other muslims you disagree with

repent and stop shitposting

>Why do you assume this verse isn't mutashabihah?
because its a literal command about the qiblah if you read the previous verse, you complete fool, do you have a disease in your heart and assume that most verses are metaphors?? then prepare yourself a seat in the hell fire !!

>Filthy follower of Najd
haha sufi yes we are proud of the najd dawah and proud to have put down that shitty turgay empire lmao

>The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645

>hadith dogcancer
yeah my dad heard his grandfather say there is a hadith passed down in my family lineage alone, that mohammad said he loved ham sandwiches, must be true. burn eternally in hellfire for your hadith misguidance, deceiver of men

>What locations are there other than Dar al Kufr or Dar al Islam.
Dar al dawa, dar al ahd, dar al sulh but none of this vile bullshit matters.

Ahmed you have to go back!!

Are you muslim?

>you call us deviant yet im certain you cuck for kuffar daily and are nice with them yet are strict and harsh with other muslims you disagree with

You most certainly have to go back too Ahmed. Back to your shitty islamic country you go!

Stop ruining the civilized world with your disgusting presence.

by the true definition "one who submits to the will of God," then yes, i strive to be

Not Japan too. :(

One anonymous internet poster Vs actual imams ok-ing and being involved in their behavior.
I'm going to have to go with the priests.

FUCK off Muhammed you can't do that when a leaf is being BASED

considering im fluent and literate, im your ideal expat, sorry bud. watch less talmud-vision and learn a thing or two about how we live our lives. surprise surprise, i love dogs and dont think gays should be killed. hadiths are the number 1 source of terrorism and everything wrong with "muslims"

educate yourself on "real islam." you can start here quran.com, good read

kek

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Take off the memeflag, chickenshit.
>Any proof is mutashabihat? These are a minority of verses
So now you will decide for everyone what is mutashabihah or not? As I said before, its your choice if you want to burn.
>Najd
You have already been cursed by the Prophet, doesn't that bother you? Also I'm not a Sufi. Again, if you think I'm moderate I'd refer to you to my original comment.

>literal command about the Qibla
Lmao. Are you saying Allah is deficient in the use of language? Because that verse doesn't mention the qibla once, so who are you kidding you triggered african chimp?
And yes I'm strict on deviants, and no I don't give either kafir or Muslim any special deference these days as it is hard to know who is who until you get to know someone. There are many deviants bound for the hellfire who talk and dress like Muslims.
Another memeflag making up stuff lol. Stop.
Wut
Begone, Jew.

arnoud van doorn

Deport them all. One of these days it's going to be your own daughter, or the daughter of someone you close to you. Then what? Are we really going to be docile like lambs ready for the slaughter? He who makes himself sheep will find a wolf to eat him.

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>i love dogs
Not surprised at all, know of at least one branch of islam in which dogs are considered a-ok.

>educate yourself on "real islam." you can start here quran.com, good read
Yeah I know of your kind, plenty of filth in the qu-ran too. I get that you would like to salvage as much as possible of your heritage but I would very much like to have nothing to do with any of it.

I respect your good intentions but I fear your cause is doomed to fail.

>Another memeflag making up stuff lol. Stop.

I didn't come up with any of it, your fellow muslims/islamic scholars did. Probably not your flavor of islam though. Couldn't care less, it's all poison and unwanted.

Everytime i hear about the arena bombing i cant help not to laugh. Those white cunts got was coming to them.

>fasad
That's a funny way to spell 'halal'

>branch of islam
>your cause

there are no branches of islam and i dont have a cause. sorry.

Take a long hard look in the mirror Ahmed, that worthless filth you see, we all see that too.

I'm not really against thots getting patrolled but blowing up kids is not right and if you grew up here and don't realise that, then there's something wrong with you or you're just another low IQ paki/chav on Jow Forums, which is obvious from your typing ability.
If they wanted to make a difference why not attack the state instead of attacking young kids? Its things like this that will turn the majority of Muslims against you. We tolerate edginess but only up to a point.

Yes yo do, the whole "only qu'ran nothing else" meme is clearly a cause, denying the existence of other followers of the qu'ran who on top of that follow hadith and sirah and its interpretations by different scholars doesn't change a thing.

Pointless. All filth.

Salafis and wahabbis get the burning tire necklace in due time.

Disgusting. You people make me sick.

>its still early here, I woke up like an hour ago.
Why aren't you in church, infidel?

BooHoo white cunts are blown to pieces, the same terror they inflicted on to the whole world. It serves those nasty white kids right. Fuck them and i hope there bodies are rotting in fucking piss.

i dont deny their existence because i hear about them all the time, raping little girls and killing innocent people. what i deny is the notion that their "form of islam" is correct.

you see islam is very simple. there's god, and he gave us the quran. everything you need to know is in that book. i really dont know how anyone with internet access and basic literacy skills isnt a muslim, theres the entirety of the quran in like 10 different translations on numerous sites. all you have to do is read it and you'll go "oh. is that what ____ is about." its so simple, its like people w𝘢nt to be ignorant or something

What are you doing in a white country you hate so much then, aside from scrounging benefits? (An no that's not jizya, that's them taking pity in your pathetic worthless state.) Do hope gchq is monitoring you abu shitstain al diaspora.

It's funny that you blame the West because last time I checked, muzzies were still being killed en mass by other muzzies.

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You're alright Japbro. BTW I don't agree with you on the point of throwing out all Hadith but we can let that go for another day.

lol cuck, are u turkish

>So now you will decide for everyone what is mutashabihah or not?
Literally nobody disputes that they are muhkamat verses.

>Lmao. Are you saying Allah is deficient in the use of language? Because that verse doesn't mention the qibla once, so who are you kidding you triggered african chimp?

im gonna show u the verses and refute u once and for all you racist trash

Surah al-baqarah

142. The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path."

143. And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful.

144. We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

Read the context you fool, dont speak about anything randomly pls

>There are many deviants bound for the hellfire who talk and dress like Muslims.

takfiri dog

shiite filth

proxyfag with the bantz

>Wait a minute, so it was religion?
so not 'asians'?
>After a fight on a Muslim wedding
>Bride was probably underage
archive.is/GQSdh

Maybe its the people that practise it? You know like niggers pretending to run democratic banana republics.

altaposten.no/nyheter/2017/04/27/Frifunnet-for-knivdrap-14647316.ece

This was only a kurd though so i guess he was half a mussie anyway just wanted to show what my friend did(hes treated a hero in his town for this)

too long didn't read

>memeflag with a low effort failed attempt at bantz
Fixed that for you

You are a turd, you turds always fart out the usual accusations about Sufi and Shia, like you actually think the normal Sunni people of the world agree with you lmao. Do you accuse the entire population of the non-Arab Muslim world as being Sufi or Shia you fucking joke? Take off that flag you disgrace. Let's see what you are.

>Literally nobody disputes
Not an argument.

2:142 is a different verse in a different chapter from the one I mentioned earlier. Don't try sleight of hand on Jow Forums, its embarrassing and pathetic. You don't get to say that every single verse in which east and west is mentioned is about qibla.
Still nor an argument. Its just as I thought and as I predicted here
You don't have a comprehension of logic or facts.

I came here to mooch thats what i came here for. I fucking hate white people who dosent. You just love to give me shit aswell, your all a bunch of faggots who love to steal culture aswell.

Well you white no need for your fucking bullshit anymore we are bringing islam to you & we will fucking happily slice every white babies throat open. We all know you filthy dogs are scared fucking shitless have fun you fucking white fuckers. Live by the white sword you will eventually die by it.

Even pakis are not this low IQ, triggered and butthurt. I can guarantee you are a fucking Somali.

Yeah you'll be smitten down by the sword of a man more righteous than you, that's what that saying means you uneducated pleb. Keep posting tho, you're entertaining

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>[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.

6:114

toss out all hadith, do not look back

You would love that wouldn't you. Aww whats thematter a filthy white faggot dosent know any racial slurs for an iraqi. Just goes to show you how filthy whites have a small neanderthal brain.

I honestly cant wait until we can start beheading your fucking children how fucking fun would that be. Fucking white dog.

I don't think this is saying throw out all Hadith, but as I've already stated ITT, it's an argument for the precedence of the Qur'an above anything else.
>Iraqi
I don't hit a man when he's down.

why are you following hadith when orders from god have been given in full detail? and if you arent following hadith, toss em out.

When Israeli tried to invade the Golan Heights and Hezbollab kicked their asses and they had to withdraw?

Keep sucking and slurping that white cock you filthy nip, nobody and i mean nobody would give a fuck if some small dick faggot slant eyed kids dies in a tsunami again. Allah hates you fruitful faggots.

im white...

>You don't know me very well, kiddy. I'm not very moderate

why are you in a white country?

Begone, leaf. Last warning before I get the rake.

>Actual Muslim here (see flag), no it was not OK at all.
It's also interesting how these grooming gangs appear to be a phenomenon of British people.

This kid is the white Patric3 O'Neal

>enters white country as a beggar
>speaks english on white computer network
>thinks he'll be in charge one day

typical shitskin fantasy

Shhh, you're not allowed to question whether the girls had fucked up backgrounds and already were into drugs. The Tommy Robinson narrative that you better not fucking question guvna is that wahmen should be allowed to do what they like and even their parents shouldn't be allowed to control them. Shiiieet user, you're not supposed to question European culture here. You better not come here with any of that MGTOW shit about putting wahmen back in line.

Why did you flee other shitskins to live with whites?

Choose your death

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If you dont want to live in a country full of shit skins, why should whites?

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Lol, just learned that SA has nuclear power plants. How long until the nignogs melt them down?

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>muslim state
>law enforcement
larpfag spotted

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you deciding which verse ismetaphor?? ignoring the scholars?? WHO D O U THIN KU ARE U FUCKING DOG RACIST FILTH

u prob shia init

quranist deviant, u are mdoerate coconut bending over backwards to please Kuffar

pathetic

u really are racist against all huh paki fuckeR??

u will be invaded by rusiya soon inshALLAH

kill yourself

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