en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism#Henri_de_Saint-Simon >The first modern socialists were early 19th-century Western European social critics. In this period socialism emerged from a diverse array of doctrines and social experiments associated primarily with British and French thinkers—especially Robert Owen
NEVER FORGET SOCIALISM, INCLUDING NATIONAL SOCIALISM WAS INVENTED BY WHITE MEN.. AND THAT'S WHY THE CONCEPT OF THE ETHNOSTATE IS INTRINSICALLY FLAWED.
INDIVIDUALS CAN ONLY BE JUDGED EFFECTIVELY AS JUST THAT, INDIVIDUALS. THEIR RACE OR ANCESTRY HAS NO WEIGHT ESPECIALLY IN THE MODERN WORLD WHERE WE HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OF ANY RACE AT THE TOP OR BOTTOM OF ANY BELL CURVE!
What is the logic here? You can't have a racially homogenous nation, because you might disagree with people from the same race about something?
But you should turn the entire planet into a copy of Brazil, because you have never disagreed with any person from another race sbout anything?
Hunter Nguyen
yeah i know but my point was that white people invented socialism and tons of white people are liberals so the ethnostate is a flawed concept at its very core
Leo Rodriguez
well the point is that race isn't a very good measure of political agreement or political superiority
I'm all for people living with who they chose but if you just start letting people immigrate here or there JUST because they are white you will probably end up with a significant amount of socialists/Liberals.
Nathaniel Ortiz
well wasn't russia, vietnam, and cambodia pretty racially homogeneous?
Charles Edwards
>you have never disagreed with any person from another race sbout anything? i've disagreed with all kinds of people but my point is that i disagree with white people a lot too and race isn't that great of a predictor of whether i will agree with them. IF anything it's only marginally better.
Jonathan Sanders
>well the point is that race isn't a very good measure of political agreement or political superiority
Who said it was?
I don't want to see my children turned into a hated, marginalized minority in their own homeland while violent, low IQ foreign tribes use them as props for acting out their historical revenge femtasies in the real world. I don't want to see skyrocketing crime rates, the collapse of all civic cohesion and socisl trust, and a degredation of government and politics into a tribal battleground where the only auestion is "from who , to whom?".
We saw Rhodesia. We saw South Africa. Anyone who would willingly invite this upon their own country is a despicable criminal.
Lincoln Thompson
yeah so wouldnt judging potential immigrants on an individual basis be more productive than resorting to race?
would you rather have a liberal white person move to your community or an anarcho capitalist black person?
James Roberts
I would opt for the liberal white person. Disagreeing with people is a normal and healhy part of society. Importing sub-saharan negros, a pure homo-sapien hominid subspecies separated by over 40,000 years from our last common biological ancestors with average IQs around the 70s and violent crime rates 1600% higher than white people is not.
Certainly there is some room for high-performijg racial minorities, like Japan allows. But the US is 56% white; we are nowhere close to having that conversation. We're on the precipice of losing the US, this is not the time to focus on briging in more non-whites. (Its also worth mentioning that in the real world, while there are certainly leftist whites in the US, whites are the only group that is majority conservative. Every other group is overwhelmingly leftist; blacks vote 92% for Democrats).
A strict immigration system that does things like IQ testing is certainly something I would suppprt if it seemed more possible than bringing back the race-based restrictions that the US had from founding until 1965. However, you can vet immigrants, but you can't vet their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. Even high IQ outlier blacks would have offspring tht regress to the mean IQ (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean)
Also, a problem with purely meritocratic immigrstion policy is thst it would still let in millions of high IQ east asians. China alone has a population over 30 times larger than Canada or Australia; parts of those countries are already effectively turning into Chinese colonies. One group always rules another in a closed environment. Always, always, always.
Ian Mitchell
>Socialism was invented by j-j-ew.. This was never an argument. Communism on the other hand...
You can go further back to Rousseau and to the libertines and find their inspiration and then their inspiration. Even Robin Hood robbed from the rich to give to the poor. Not that it all would be exactly equivalent to modern socialism but certainly related.
Aaron Ortiz
>average IQs around the 70s and violent crime rates 1600% higher
Yeah but that varies with the BELL CURVE in all races.
Would you rather invite a white person with an iq of 70 and a predisposition for violent crime into your community or a black person with no violent history and 150 iq?
btw asians have the higher average iqs and less violence than whites so those are who everyone should want in their communities
race really only matters if it affects your sexual preference but when it comes to men you invite into your community for business reasons especially then it shouldnt matter and mixed race girls are hot quite often..
>we are nowhere close to having that conversation yeah but dont you think that youre just as likely to "lose" by inviting liberal white people into your community?????
if anything a fucking high iq commie is the most dangerous thing in a society
Lucas Roberts
>Even high IQ outlier blacks would have offspring tht regress to the mean IQ this is patently false
like saying a shitzu that has a good sense of smell that breads with a blood hound with a good sense of smell would produce shitty smellers for offspring.. if the same genes are responsible for the trait then the off spring will retain the traits regardless of phenotype
Wyatt Sanchez
>One group always rules another in a closed environment. when have asians ever posed a problem???
if anything crime rates are lower in neighborhoods with lots of asian people
It would only be a problem if they are commies or fascists or authoritarians or something where they could hijack the democratic system but that can happen even with dissimilar people.. like liberals.
AND COULDNT RACISM BE A METRIC?????
like if the people seem like they would be racist against white people wouldn't that be something to DQ candidates with??
Are you implying they would form some kind of gang or resort to cronyism???? Do you really think the younger generations would do something like that??? You think a young asian CEO of a company wouldn't higher a white person??
And doesn't that show how scared and weak you are that you are afraid of asian people?
Luke Fisher
read the sticky before trying to debate you absolute moron, probably using a proxy Fins are not that stupud
Dylan Gray
doesnt that just support my point?
Ayden Gonzalez
that's a really ancient idea
i mean do you really think that everyone else thinks like you and has extreme racial bias
a lot of my friends are asian.. there's no sentiment of dissimilarity between me and them except jokes about them being smart and anime..
also good job bringing this up on an otaku forum
William Lopez
literally an argument that has been thrown my direction
William Foster
nice excuse for having no logical rebuttal
also your language is just an archaic version of ours with more slavic words ;)
