Offer a submarine to get kids out of a cave

he wasn't the one that said they didn't need it anymore, but yeah your point stands. Elon only really is a jerk to those that are a jerk to him

? Up till the end the head of the rescue team told elon to keep working on it as a backup

>white man in Philippines
>not a pedo
musk is too much of an autist to not

yes, but that is different from whether they would have used it or not.

there are three different forces at play and all three are getting their quotes thrown around. you have the British dude, the dive team that gave elon feedback, and the Thai authorities.

>>calls the person who found the kids
Is that what they're claiming now?

the two British divers were, well, also British. It's a sad misconception of the whole situation, and unfortunately doesn't help Musk's optics out at all.

Not defending Elon, but
>politely gets told no thank you because it wouldn't work
That right there is a crock of horseshit.

Elon Musk was attacked by various celebrities for “trying to get good publicity” and for being a narcissist.
Look. Maybe he is, but as anyone can see by looking at the development and testing (which was finished btw), he took the matter very seriously. Elon was considered the bad guy though merely for being a billionaire.

Dump on Elon all you want, Hell, I’m not on his side of the fence either. But don’t go spewing absolutely false bullshit, it makes you and your whole side of the argument look unintelligent and immature.

>t. lone skum

But he WAS blatantly doing it for publicity.
He was already aware that his device would not work as there was a tight S bend to navigate underwater.

Yet he insisted that his device would help and was promptly and very fairly told to fuck off.

He's a complete and utter cunt. It takes a real coward to bag out a British diver who risked his life helping rescure Thai children from an extremely dangerous situation.

Elon wasn't trying to help...he was trying to promote his brand.

I don’t care if he was promoting his brand, a narcissist, rich, a complete cunt.
What I’m pointing out is that there is blatantly false information in OP’s post.

Bash Elon all you want, but be truthful and use correct information while doing it, otherwise you won’t even be able to win an argument with some reddit tier Elon cocksucker.

fucking retards
before the diver made any comment on it, musk was politely told to fuck off with his impractical sub, as he should've been. then musky boy took out his anger at his failure out on the diver
gizmodo.com/elon-musks-mini-sub-not-practical-for-thai-cave-accordi-1827471958

amazing how people just blindly defend him because "he's le an actual tony stark!!! XDDD"

you're wrong.
>He was already aware that his device would not work as there was a tight S bend to navigate underwater.
incorrect
>Yet he insisted that his device would help and was promptly and very fairly told to fuck off.
incorrect
> It takes a real coward to bag out a British diver who risked his life helping rescure Thai children from an extremely dangerous situation.
incorrect
>he was trying to promote his brand.
what brand?

It's like you're parroting every single misreported aspect of the operation. I'd assume you were a troll, but you seem too stupid

you're a fucking brainlet.
The reality of his sub not being suitable was obvious from the moment the children were found and he fucking knew it.

retard

>and he fucking knew it
No, he did not. At the time most people didn’t even.

Name calling? That’s all you have? No argument?

It's almost as though you have absolutely no fucking clue as to the reality of the situation or what it's like to be involved in an under water rescue.

so you admit musk had no idea if it would work or not. yet he still showed up with a hunk of shit he didn't know would work in order to get some brownie points from the media

according to who? Elon was in contact with members of the dive team, who gave him specific specifications for the sub's size, the cave's layout, etc. They worked back and forth on the design to have something that would be effective.

I have never scuba dived in my life. But I do read articles. And every source I've seen says that pretty much every single "anti-musk" blurb about the rescue is false.

It doesn't take a fucking genius or an autistic cunt to realise that a rigid tube wasn't going to fit through the S-bends and ~32cm gaps.

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They designed it based off of specifications from the dive team in Thailand.

"I have never scuba dived in my life. But I do read articles."

Wew lad.

it was designed to accommodate the smallest portion of the cave, according to specifications from the dive team. These people aren't stupid.

God damn is this whole situation annoying.

With the dive team saying it wasn't going to work...but what would they know right?

>Elon was in contact with members of the dive team, who gave him specific specifications for the sub's size, the cave's layout, etc. They worked back and forth on the design to have something that would be effective.
Clearly the specifications weren't specific enough. he cried on twitter "b-but it's diameter is small enough! it meets the specifications!" except he had no information on the turns that would be required, because that of course is too complicated to measure for a rescue diver

so back to my point, he had no idea if it would work or not. if he genuinely thought it would work, then he's a retard who thought the cave was completely straight lmao

Who would you cast as the pedo diver in the inevitable movie?

Just the fact that he was trying to oversell his little metal cylinders as "mini-submarines" is so typical elon-snakeoil that it's making me puke.

where did the dive team say that? the ex-rescue manager governor dude said it was "impractical". The dive team did not. They only said it wouldn't be needed due to the pumping, but it would be good to have as a backup

why am I even bothering replying to these people? All of their statements can be discredited with simple google searches. Elon is going to release a video of it making the trek in the cave anyways so I might as well just stop.

This.
The nature of the S-bends that had to be navigated were known from the day the kids were found. How is that us trained safety divers in Perth, West Australia were able to know about the bends in the cave the day after the children were found yet somehow Elon Musk, who had better communication with the rescue team, wasn't able to figure that one out days after the fact?

Once again, he fucking knew. He just wanted to milk the opportunity and then had a hissy fit when he was called out for being a numpty.

why are you sprouting the same lie over and over? If you have a source that says there was some magical s-bend which the sub cannot traverse I would love to see it.

Dude, if you were able to put an almost 2 meter long rigid object past the difficult spots we wouldnt even heard of them because they would have been rescued immediately.

the issue was the water level.

Do you have a source for your claim about the s-bend? Otherwise, all of the conjecture that the sub cannot make the journey is bunk.

sure thing
fortune.com/2018/07/14/elon-musk-thai-cave-submarine/
>“just had absolutely no chance of working,” said diver Vern Unsworth, who played a major role in the rescue. “[Musk] had no conception of what the cave passage was like. The submarine, I believe, was about 5 foot 6 long, rigid, so it wouldn’t have gone round corners or round any obstacles.”

how the fuck do you still think the sub was a plausible solution lmao. the rescue chief and the divers said it was completely impractical and wouldn't have made it because it's long and rigid

The Australian and Thai divers themselves said there was a

That doesn't solve any of the problems.
The main issue was that there was a portion of the cave so tight a person couldn't go through with a tank on their back. That says nothing of if that portion of the cave was curving or had corners, in any case, for children who could not even swim it wouldn't have been something they rushed into.

It's not "a sub". It's metal cylinder with oxygen bottles bootstrapped on it. The fact that Elon was trying to sell this as some sort of high-tech solution makes that it even more embarassing than it already is. But hey, I guess you get desperate if your companies are barely scraping by.

you are quoting Unsworth. God damn you are stupid.

do you have a source that say the divers WHO MADE THE DIVES said it wouldn't make it? no, of course not.

you are basing that on assumption.

None of you believe a word musks says anyways so this tweet is useless for you all. oh well twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016119687191638016

we need Pravduh more than I thought

The divers stated that there was a U bend (some called it an S) that had to be navigated at the entry to chamber 3....and it was measured at 38cm at this point. This was stated in interviews with the divers.

the tube diameter is 31cm

Unsworth was literally the dude who discovered the boys you disgusting fanboy.

Unsworth made the dives you fucktard.
>do you have a source that say the divers WHO MADE THE DIVES said it wouldn't make it? no, of course not
If the RESCUE CHIEF (the guy in charge of it all, constantly hearing feedback from the divers) said it was impractical, and an actual fucking diver said himself it was impractical and you still don't believe it, you're genuinely just blindly defending muskyballs like a dumbfuck redditor

0/10 troll, or maybe you are retarded.
Have I been being led on by trolls this whole time? christ.

Rick Stanton and John Volanthen found them. Unsworth didn't make a single dive in the cave - although he has explored it in the past.

Well, goodnight trolls. I actually thought you were legitimate posters for a sec.

wow, two trolls at the same time, both with the same disinformation? that seems improbable.

I'll refer you to . Goodnight.

It amazed me how ignorant you are.

Some Elon fanboi who's never operated at all underwater making claims about a topic he has less than zero knowledge about in order to a defend an autist who attacks a domain expert for calling him out on his bullshit attention seeking.

kekking hard at this one retard who thinks there's some conspiracy and all the divers are lying and that the sub actually would've worked

British caver Vern Unsworth, 63, who lives in Chiang Rai, was instrumental in linking up the Thai authorities with the British experts. "I was actually scheduled to go into the cave on June 24 anyway," Unsworth told CNN in an interview in Thailand."I got all my gear ready, and I was going in to do a solo trip just to see what the water levels were like. And I got called out at 2 o'clock Sunday morning, and I was there for the whole 17 days."
Unsworth's role in the rescue was also pivotal because of his intimate knowledge of the Tham Luang cave system, which he describes as his "second home" after spending the past six years exploring it.
He had been involved in cave rescue operations in the UK before, but "nothing on this scale."

It was Unsworth who initally pinpointed where he thought the Wild Boars team would be waiting. They were found 200 meters away from that point, which was "probably around about the best place they could have been," he said.

edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html

>And Unsworth should know – he was instrumental in the boys’ rescue, convincing Thai authorities to call on a team of English divers who knew the cave, according to the Daily Mail. Unsworth’s knowledge of the Tham Luang cave, gleaned over what he says has been six years of exploration, helped locate the missing boys.

He's dived in the cave and knows the layout you fucktard. and you just dismissed the chief's disapproval becsuse it doesn't fit you "elon is god" narrative

yes, please go to bed, child

>Unsworth didn't make a single dive in the cave - although he has explored it in the past.

The absolute state of elon fanboys.

and now they shift the goalposts. Both of these posters believed that Unsworth was the one personally rescuing the kids. Yet they keep doubling down. It's actually sad.

He discovered where the kids were, fanboy.

It was Unsworth who initally pinpointed where he thought the Wild Boars team would be waiting. They were found 200 meters away from that point, which was "probably around about the best place they could have been," he said.

The only sad thing here is that you eloncocksuckers actually think that the autist cunt knows more about cave diving rescue than the actual rescuers who were on the ground.

sad that you got blown the fuck out isn't it

imagine actually being this fucking stupid.

>It was Unsworth who initally pinpointed where he thought the Wild Boars team would be waiting.
>where he thought

We need to actually separate facts here.
Yes, he has experience with the cave system.
Yes, he has explored the cave system before.
Yes, he helped advise the searchers and rescue team.

Did he personally locate the boys?
Did he actually dive in the cave system during the search and rescue operation?
From it appears not.

precisely. These posters don't seem to like truth though. Just take solace in the fact that you have a good understanding of the rescue and what happened, unlike other people in this thread. thank you for being reasonable in a sea of horribleness.

>samefagging this hard

You have been exposed, fanboy. Go to bed now, before you further embarass yourself.

He's not considered the bad guy because billionaire
He's considered the bad guy because he was willing to work with Trump, because he fights back at reporters when they tell easily refutable lies, because he proposed a media factchecking and ranking website, and because he (accidentally?) half-named the Jew
There are a lot worse doods than him but he gets the attention
Why?

>the bourgoisie attacks a rogue member of the bourgoisie
>better join them
You fucking retard
The point is to divide the rich against each other

Fucking chapo leftists

This is part of the problem with open arguments. Confusion can begin over what which claims are actually being argued.

Now, I'm definitely not going to defend Elon for calling the guy a pedo but it's pretty clear there's a lot of mud slinging going on and he is being provoked.
The preferable thing for Elon to do would be to apologize for it, ideally privately so that we can hear about it from Unsworth rather than it just coming up on Twitter.

one could blaim the media. It’s easy clicks to just put together screenshots of a bunch of Elon tweets and call it “news”.

How is a guy who is known to exploit workes to the max a "rogue member of the bourgoisie"?

Unsworth said he might go after Musk legally, which actually is possible under US law. Whether we hear anything more from either them is up in the air - Elon probably wants it over as soon as possible.

*exploit workers to the max and not give a single fuck for consumer safety

Unsworth is basically set for life, if they go to court or settle it outside of one, a multi-million dollar amount is going to change its owner.

I really hope Elon insults me one day on twitter.

That is simply false. Exploitation requires some level of coercion, forcing, threats, etc. That is different from a hyper-performance workplace culture, long hours, and ok pay which by themselves are not exploitations.

Sure, Tesla has a somewhat higher than average injury rate for a few years, but now it is much lower than the NUMMI years. That still isn’t “exploitation”

Insults aren’t the issue, libel is. Elon seems to have skirted the line a bit too far from his usual insults and gone into libel territory, which is the crux of the issue

You don't seem to understand. Elon is a ruthless capitalist who happens to know how memes work. He exploits workers, delievers unsafe products, and lobbies politicians to give him subsidies, all due to maximize profits, and covers this up by spamming memes and giving his products meme-names. Luckily, more and more people are beginning to see through the charade.

Actually, you know, looking through that article I'm not sure Unsworth has ever dived in that cave. For instance
>In the early days of the search operation, Unsworth said he quickly realized that outside expertise was required, and advised the Thai authorities to bring in specialist cave divers who had dealt with similar rescues in the past.
>"It was a race against time," he said. "They needed world class divers and that's what we got."
>He was the first one to suggest calling for help from Volanthen, Stanton and Robert Harper -- who arrived a few days into the search on June 27.
Two of those named divers were credited with actually locating the boys, so despite them being where he though they would be he hadn't gone in and located them himself.

He is also referred to as a caver, rather than a cave diver or even a diver. In the article is says he was planning to go into the caves anyway to check the water levels, but that doesn't mean he was going to go cave diving.

I get the impression at lot of details about this story are getting spun out of hand.

The one spinning his own story here is you. The dude is a professional cave diver who explored the cave for 6 years and cartographed the whole cave and pinpointed the location of the boys. Everything else is just you spinning a story out of it that confirms your world view.

lots of the problem comes from headline skimming I think. People read “cave diver says sub won’t work” and they don’t bother to look any further into it. Then they feel that any contrary reports are wrong because of that article title they glanced at that one time.

stop samefagging, fanboy.

Only if you stop being a rude semi-troll and spouting incorrect facts.

But, it doesn’t seem that either of us can do either of those things.

Where does it say he is a cave diver?
The cave isn't always filled with water, obviously because the kids got through to where they did without being able to swim.
It would be entirely possible to explore the cave for six years without diving in it once. I'm not doubting his experience in the cave, what I am doubting is the claims he is a cave diver and that he found the boys (picking a location he thinks they will be and them being found there is not the same as finding them himself).

The article itself debunks one of those claims.
>Retired fireman Rick Stanton and fellow diver John Volanthen found the children deep within the cave nine days after they went missing.

There's a headline in that article that suggests Unsworth is a diver
>British diver helped pinpoint boy's location
But directly below that is the line
>British caver Vern Unsworth, 63, who lives in Chiang Rai, was instrumental in linking up the Thai authorities with the British experts.
Trying to find any old information about this guy now seems to be impossible as any search terms involving him now come up with the pedo debacle.

I'm willing to accept that he is a diver if there is more concrete evidence but it's entirely possible the most advanced parts of the dive were outside of his skill set so there was only so far he could go into the cave.

>Trying to find any old information about this guy now seems to be impossible as any search terms involving him now come up with the pedo debacle
They need to make a search engine that filters out 100% of news

You can set custom time periods for google to search through. Use the daterange: function

Set 2010 to start of 2018 and even though pages are saying 2017, 2015 and so on they're still talking about the rescue and Elon calling him a cunt.

Because he was willing to work with Trump, because he fights back at reporters when they tell easily refutable lies, because he proposed a media factchecking and ranking website, and because he (accidentally?) half-named the Jew
There are a lot worse doods than him but he gets the attention
Why?
Because he's attacking the media (tools of the bourgeoisie) and the ethnic group that makes up a big chunk of the Western bourgeoisie, alongside Indians in the US and various types of white people across the West generally
He's also endangered a bunch of previous industries (run by other members of the bourgeoisie), who use the state to prop themselves up by taking money off productive people and blocking future development in those areas, via his technological excursions which threaten to make capitalists' previous industries obsolete
Jesus fuck
Chapo rakes in millions from you gullible tards and you keep thanking them
He's attacking all the right people
Pour fuel on the fire

Hm, it usually works well for me. But I’ve never used it for news related subjects; you could also add on -Elon to the search to really get rid of the recent stuff. Try that

Also, are you using the right date format? It takes Julian dates; onlineconversion.com/julian_date.htm

At least I found the best news source in the world.

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He's just like Jow Forums: autism incarnate.

Except he actually has money and did something with his life.

Hello and fuck you, /sci/ mods

hey science fags, can somebody calculate the probability that a 60 year old British expat living in Thailand is a pedo? Asking for a friend

I'll add that you need to learn to Jew
See the cracks in your opposition, see the links to yourself, heighten the contradictions in your opposition and get both sides to like you by emphasising your commonality
This used to be called "nationalism" and workers used to Jew the bosses this way

Five times more likely than a Catholic priest.

t. Thai expat young boy living in Australia to fuck old men

>LOCAL MAN DOES A THING
Holy fucking shit is it habbening

>replying to your own post

>the reality
>provides no reasoning why, just says it is
>believe me!!!!!1
Lol

>replying to your own reply to your own post