Real conversation time

There was a thread a while back about these alphabetagency docs that talked about inorganic compounds and and other shit found in vaccines. Shit that shouldn't be there. Shit that doesn't break down once it's in your body.. Ill look for the archive.

my opinion is, that the vaccines DO work however they sometimes put things in vaccines that are not good for you (like in the preservatives) and also that giving that many at once could trigger a response in the body. Its a double edged sword

don't be a fucking retard.

Go look up the numbe of people every year that develop Guillard-Barre syndrome. That's the real actual chance of something going wrong with the vaccination.

Then go ask the parents every kid that has died of whooping cough, measles, mumps, polio.....

Is there a chance something bad could happen? Yes. But it is is one thousand fold smaller than the chances of your child dying in your fucking arms because they had a cough you thought could be cured by rubbing honey on their ears.

While you are at it, go look up "genetic diseases that can be tested for at birth but no one does" there are about 200 diseases that can actually me treated/managed/cured if action is taken in the first six months.

Fuck anti-vaxers right in their stupid asses.

this

I've heard this is the best solution. Planning to do this with my own when it is born

I made a thread about this a few days ago. Essentially in USA they push this shit INCREDIBLY BAD. Just had a kid and we said no to the hep b and are going to do a delayed program. There is crazy rhetoric both ways, I figure a middle path is the best, that way no dying of 3rd world disease (from all the illegals now) and no mercury overdose.

Why are americans retarded?

Do you have the link? Really curious if the elites vaccinate.

IVF twins are autists waiting to happen...
Especially if their mothers are lesbians.

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What an emotional post!

Thank u user

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Vaccines don't cause autism, it's a hereditary disease. You either have it when you're born, or you don't have it. Now stop breaking herd immunity.

>OP asks to have an objective conversation on vaccines
>Leaf can't even provide an iota of substance one way or the other
Why are Canadians such faggots?

I think has the right idea OP. Safest option

Unironically this

nah sorry maybe reddit will buy it though, maybe its time to return

watch an 18 month old die in the arms of your friend from something that could have been prevented and it skews your perspective a bit.

Medfag here.
Either:
>you risk a ridiculously small chance of a complication and save your kids from polio/meningitis/a slew of diseases
Or:
>you expose your kids to previously-eradicated diseases
If you choose the first, you risk a small chance of your kid developing autism.
If you choose the second, nothing can save your kid from autism, since the environmental exposure from his parents is too strong.
>air bags can't cause facial trauma if you just manually disable them from your car ;)
>you can't choke on food if you don't eat ;)

Objective would be examining the scientific evidence, but since that disagrees with you, you aren't going to accept it so theres no point. Calling you a retard for ignoring science is the next best thing.

If you are genuinely not sure (and not just seeking validation in your current reluctance), here is what I said to my uncle when he expressed a similar reluctance:

>It's a fair point that many illnesses have flu-like symptoms and some forms of the flu lack symptoms. Fine. Nonetheless, thousands of people die from the flu in the US every year. And the effectiveness of vaccines generally is well-established. The usefulness of the flu vaccine is more apparent in what they call 'high-risk' individuals: babies, the elderly, people with immune-system weaknesses, and people with chronic illnesses. A twenty year-old in good health is very likely to combat the flu, even without having the vaccine. A baby, however, is not. Similar to how a person who doesn't where a seatbelt and constantly speeds is more likely to get seriously hurt in a car accident than someone who always drives cautiously and with his seatbelt on.

>The statistics I would really like to see are the number of people who got the flu vaccine and went on to die of the flu or suffer any serious consequences of it, compared to those who did get the shot. The effectiveness of vaccines relies on herd immunity, which requires widespread participation in the treatment of illnesses that have treatments. The death toll from smallpox didn't go from three million per year to zero because of the dangers of vaccination.

>And really, the only argument I've ever heard that justifies any reluctance when it comes to vaccines, is the ability of viruses to rapidly reproduce and develop immunities to existing vaccines. This leads to super-viruses. But even if these are rational fears, they do no cast any doubt on the usefulness of vaccines. As a matter of fact, if there was speedy, universal use of the existing vaccines, and temporary quarantine of existing cases of the flu, superbugs would have even less of an opportunity to develop.

When I was a kid I got the measles/mumps/rubella vaccine, but later when the school wanted to blast me full of other vaccines like Hep B, etc, my parents always declined. I was always sensitive to drugs, antibiotics etc and my doctor advised just avoiding anything that wasn't totally necessary.

I'm a 35 year old boomer now and I've never had a serious medical ailment. I literally never get sick, not even a cold more often than once every few years for a day or so.

te apoyo hermano

That false sense of superiority. I like to hear both sides of the argument and I'm always open to more information on the subject, but you can't provide shit, so you're just wasting everyone's time.

Surprised how quickly this thread is sliding to page 7

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Medfag here

1. Hundreds of millions of people have died due to not being immunized against diseases like smallpox, measles and polio

2. Vaccines are very expensive to make and have a tiny profit margin so there's not really any reason for Big Pharma to shill for them.

3. The levels of mercury absorbed from an immunisation are less than from a tuna-fish sandwich, the MSG content is less than a tablespoon of onions-sauce, the preservative content is less than that which is found in almost any processed food.

3. There is no credible evidence linking vaccines to autism, ADHD and whatnot, feel free to post any credible sources proving me wrong tho

the real problem is people like OP are allowed to reproduce; vaccination of his offspring is just a derivative problem

I have two kids, ages 2 and 4. The amount of vaccine in the 1st round is crazy. Insist on single doses, it requires a few more sticks but worth it. In our state they try to push hep c vaccine before you get sent home. We refused that one all others are current. Measles Rubella shot IS A BAD ONE. They want you to have it at 15 mo. My oldest was hospitalized with 105 fever and I swear to this day it's slowed him down. I refused to let my younger one have it until she was 2.5 and needed it for the preschool. Same deal, about a week later high fever and miserable pain. In both cases having measles would have been easier.

excellent post

>The levels of mercury absorbed from an immunisation are less than from a tuna-fish sandwich
but when you give a baby a bunch within a small timeframe even that small amount becomes a problem

Don't vaccinate so your inferior genes hopefully die off. Vaccines are not harmful.

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>spacing out vaccines makes a difference

It's threads like this that remind me not to take Jow Forums to seriously

the mercury is in a completely different form redditor

It doesn't.

>but when you give a baby a bunch within a small timeframe even that small amount becomes a problem
[citation needed]

Women with high-fish diets have been exposing their babies to much higher levels of mercury via their breast milk for thousands of years without any issue

could you explain how its different and what the differences affect

Do it. Autisms is caused when an old man has a kid. It’s why Barron has it.

This. If you don't vaccinate your kids they'll literally die from being exposed to immigrants from countries that don't vaccinate. Don't be a fucking virgin r selective, spamming poorly supported children, hoping one or two live and produce viable offspring. Be the chad K.

>What are isotopes

Point 2 is wrong. Smaller margin yes, tiny no. The small profit is driver for volume.

Gracias carnal. Sus boxeadores son muy buenos. También tengo amigos que estudiaron allá y la medicina es muy buena también.
>measles better
>rather give my kids meningitis
Its a thing of humility with me...
It feels like nowadays people in the states are unwilling to listen to authority, thinking their own opinions sacrament.
I don't put organic olive oil in my car, no matter how enticed I am for my car to 100% vegan. I listen to the mechanic on this one. Just once.

Watch the movie vax. There is evidence that vaccines cause autism and if you dont belove vax then just look at the side effects of vaccines. Also in theory vaccines make sense and they work HOWEVER vaccines today are absolutely nothing like the first vaccines so dont even try to compare modern vaccines to the vaccines back in the day that prevented and cured some diseases. Any vaccines made after mercury or thimerosol was used as a preservative are just concoctions of poison that just so happen toprevent diseases. Just think about the ingredients that went into the first vaccines and compare it to modern vaccine ingredients. Also medfags dont know a fucking thing about vaccines ffs

Fuck vaccines

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Thiomersal isn't used anymore.

fish have not had mercury in them for thousands of years...thats because of pollution. don't let your wife eat fish either OP.

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>muh science

>medfags don't know
Thing is, when does our ignorance end? Seizure treatment? Anesthesia? Trauma surgery?
It feels like people disregard medical concensus on some things, yet assume medical expertise in others. Always when convenience strikes.

>medfags dont know a fucking thing about vaccines ffs

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this is why ((they)) killed him
DO NOT GET VACCINATE
I REPEAT
DO NOT GET VACCINATE

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could you explain your way out of a gunshot wound to the head, kike?

I’ve been doing this with my son — he will get all of his shots by 2 years old instead of by 6 months. I would add that you can ask your doctor to use preservative free vaccinations which eliminates a lot of the nasty shit in those vaccines

>in the states?
But we are citizens of USA, give us money.
Should't you be out helping restore power or something.

I'm legitimately asking, i don't know about different types of mercury and shit

How to spot a retard 101.

Read the side effects on government website about side effects of vaccines you med fag. Also how the fuck do you not know that vaccines back in the day have none of the ingredients of modern vaccines? Stop being a dumbass and use common sense. Oh right ur a med fag and all you know is what your taught which proves my ppint that med fags dont know a fucking thing about vaccines

>fish have not had mercury in them for thousands of years...thats because of pollution
[citation needed]

Mercury levels have increased due to pollution but fish have had mercury in them for billions of years, this is evident by analysis of fossilised fish bones

don't do it user. At least I wouldn't.

Also homeschool your kid.

watch this shit OP. they keep killing off doctors that question the narrative on vaccines. at the very least try to space out the vaccinations.
youtube.com/watch?v=v2pFYbo0BpI&app=desktop
[citation needed]

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Read my post again dumbass. I agrred with the theory of vaccines and admitted that they do work HOWEVER modern vaccines cant be compared to the first vaccines. Do you think they are the same? Let me ask u a question. How many ingredients did edward jenner ise in his fitst vaccines and what ingredients do modern vaccines have compared? Kinda makes you wonder why congress made it forbidden to sue people who make vaccines

>Read the side effects on government website about side effects of vaccines you med fag.

Every medicine has potential side effects, here's the list of potential side effects from fucking multivitamins
>rash
>hives
>itching; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin with or without fever
>wheezing
>tightness in the chest or throat
>trouble breathing, swallowing, or talking
>unusual hoarseness or swelling of the mouth, face, lips, tongue, or throat.
>nausea
>vomiting
>diarrhea

Feel free to post some sources to actually back up any of your ridiculous claims lol

drugs.com/sfx/multivitamin-side-effects.html

I mean, you should probably get vaccinated for the shit that can kill you in one shot. Whooping couch, measles, that kind of shit. Probably all vaccines are fine. But! I personally don't see a dire reason to get a fucking flu shot every year, unless you are old as fuck and don't want to die. I don't believe in such a heavy response to weak shit like the flu, that shit's poison

I knew it!

Do it moron
Look up how dangerous haemophilus influenzae type b was before it was essentially eradicated with vaccines
t Med student here who actually understands how the fuck the body functions and how vaccines and the immune system work

Oof

>vaccines cause demyelination
>demyelination causes autism

[citation needed]

its real you stupid fuck

I should, but I don't because that is not my area of expertise. I'd only be a nuisance.
Other countries haven't taken the same legal restrictions as the US with their pharmaceuticals.
I see where you are coming from in terms of ingredients in a vaccine. Thing is, vaccines have gotten better and cheaper, not worse. Just because your phone has more components in it now than in 1999 doesn't mean the phone is inherently more destructive.
Modern anything can't be compared to antiquity.
We could try and restore fluids in patient by making them drink water, but we use IV.

just DYOR and make an informed opinion for whats best for your child. hopefully i gave you some stuff to look into.
look it up yourself mr medfag

Took the live polio oral vaccine and got the autism. Crippled for a few days. Evidently all polio outbreaks in the last few decades can be traced back to the Vaccine derived polio strains and these strains especially target your brain. Because vaccine derived polio is a thing real doctors want to eradicate polio and stop using polio vaccine as soon as possible. Only retards advocate for vaccines while calling antivaxxers uneducated in this regard. I don't care if you`re a doctor because you`re a damn poor one or just dont give a shit.

But I`ve also voluntarily taken an experimental flu shot that has probably saved my life from some pretty violent flu outbreaks and was a net benefit of not receiving flu with minor down side of having a weakened immune system for about a month. Better than being dead from flu.

Pic related is Dr. beaches kid after wheel chair bound from polio vaccine that changed his mind and made him conduct research on vaccines.

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Burden of proof is on you user. If you're going to make claims like that you need to be prepared to cite sources to actually back those claims up.

Don't come to Australia

A child can be refused daycare and even schooling if they haven't had vaccinations.

New rules to weed out the old diseases coming back.

Modern vaccines are 100% safe. Their effects are tracked via a massive international healthcare database and there is no evidence, NONE, that any modern vaccine has caused anything more than mild short term irritation or illness. Alex Jones and Mike Adams are craven liars.

Think of it this way:
Imagine you're transgender obese person. You read articles online saying you're normal. Your friends say you're normal. In comes this physician and tells you you have to lose weight, and recommends not getting sexual realignment surgery.
You can either reject what doctors keep telling you, or you can open up your mind and question your own beliefs. See here:
This process leading to autism doesn't even make sense. Any medfag call tell you this.
Its like someone telling you that taking the rubber out of tires gives them the ability to scale buildings. Literally nonsensical. Anyone with a basic idea of how cars work could make that call.

>is the ability of viruses to rapidly reproduce and develop immunities to existing vaccines

vaccines are not antibiotics. vaccines are literally just priming your immune system so it recognizes disease quickly. vaccines aren't effective if they aren't representative of of the disease you're trying to protect against.

the thing that kills viruses after you receive a vaccine is not the vaccine, it's your immune system.

you fucking idiot. vaccinate your children. or just kill yourselves if you’re going to be a public health hazard.

Anyone claiming to be a doctor on the cartoon frog website should be automatically disqualified from providing an opinion. Only loons visit this website.

Star Pro-Tip: Vaccines prevent disease but also lower sperm count, testosterone, increase the risk of cancer (main reason), and are designed to geld your child. The reason vaccines were made is to induce cancer in large rates in elderly people above the age of 60 once they have reached, "their productive end". I would prolly cherry pick just a handful of vaccines. It's insane though now they are trying to force dozens and dozens of highly toxic vaccines on children now. Do not vaccinate. Most of these diseases don't exist anymore and you can rely on herd immunity.

Wow, can you tell us about this experience?

I want to remind you that the same medical establishment that claims vaccinations are safe is the same medical establishment that believes that surgically removing a man's genitalia and pumping him with estrogen is 100% normal and healthy

buh buh mexicans keep bringing it in and we HAVE TO LET THEM IN GOYIM

You`re a fucking idiot. Close your damn mouth.

>I'm so smart that I detected a problem that the ENTIRE MEDICAL COMMUNITY MISSED

Even if all the former is true:
Relying on herd immunity is the socialism of microbiology. Eventually, the herd is not immunized anymore.
Its akin on using the "pull-out" method of contraception. It works, until it doesn't..

All fully inactivated or recombinant vaccines deployed in first world countries are safe if you're not allergic to the ingredients. There is no evidence that they compromise neurological function or development, and there's no reason to assume they would given the very low concentration of the portentially problematic chemicals. Additionally, because of the blood brain barrier, if vaccines caused neurodegeneration, they would cause periphreal nervous problems before affecting the CNS.
The only true redpill of vaccines is that on an individual level, vaccines are far less effective than most people assume. Any immune boost you got from a vaccine you had over 20 years ago is more than likely entirely gone.

autism occurs in 1/49 children now

soon it will be 1/30 :)

Dumbass. Those are the side effects of multivitamins and not vaccines. I swear medfags talk all sorts of shit when they get called. Just gtfo faggot and go look at the written side effects of vaccines vs ‘ multivitamins ‘. I cant believe ur dumbass are even comparing side effects of vits and vacs btfo med fag

I'd rather have my autism and ADHD than be dead.

Queer.

OP, there is more damage done (including significantly higher chance of autistic behaviour) from circumcizing a boy than there is from vaccinating a kid.

Keep in mind the doctors you see being crazy anti-vax are also chiropractors. In other words: they aren't real doctors, but sure as fuck like to pretend they are.

idiot. methylmercury (the kind in tuna) is more biologically active than thiomersal. you cited evidence against your own position. ha.

Once upon a time, vaccines were great. Got rid of polio and other nasty shit. It was a net positive. Then we started vaccinating for every strain of unga bunga jungle virus that Pajeet enriched us with. We overdid a good thing.

You admit modern vaccines are nothing like the first vaccines. Ty