Anybody here have experience with Eastern Orthodoxy? Really thinking of getting this book and delving into it...

Thanks. Yeah I have a Russian one that's about a 5 min drive from me. They have both English and Russian services so I'm good. I'm gonna probably order The Orthodox Way and/or The Orthodox Church on Amazon and go to a used book store or thrift store near me for a NKJV. I just don't know if that heavy price is worth it for some footnotes.

I like this guy:
youtu.be/7CijVvpY9L0

He has some orthodoxy 101 videos on his channel.

Go to Orthodoxinfo.com

Everything you need for inquirers

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$35 is expensive?

I'm in between jobs right now so I don't have a whole lot. If it doesn't add much more than a used copy of the NKJV does then I'd rather not

That book is not expensive at all and is probably online for free. You are not an educated person until you read one study bible, any denomination, because without all the notes you really aren't getting anything, it's not like a modern book.
You want to get into Orthodoxy you need some Fluorovsky, gen lib rus ec is your friend.

I would just get a PDF version of it but I read physical books much better. For some reason e-readers and such never stuck to me.

Matt Johnson's stuff is on archive dot org and youtube as The Orthodox Nationalist. He was a philosophy major before becoming a priest so he goes into all the philosophical stuff very well. He was defrocked after being injured at Unite the Right.

Then you got a good plan. Good luck w/ the job hunt.

>It's just a Jow Forums meme denomination, it reality they are just icon kissers and worship aesthetics

You absolutely need a study bible, it makes all the difference in the world. Every atheist objection you've ever heard was brought up and refuted in the third century and depends on not understanding very basic ideas.

I just ordered The Orthodox Church on Amazon a few seconds ago. I'm going to read though that and if it goes well it may push me to get the Study Bible. I just don't have the best financial situation right now. Either way I'll get it eventually.

Jay Dyer on Jaysanalysis.com
He's orthodox and does great talks about it as well as other geopolitical subjects. Check him out if you hadn't heard of him already... Youcd get some insight. His talks made me want to get a copy of the Study Bible and check it out myself.

He's great

Born Orthodox here. Studying the bible and theology obsessively by yourself is autistic protestant behaviour. Just appreciate the aesthetics and the emotional power of the experience.

>Every atheist objection you've ever heard was brought up and refuted in the third century and depends on not understanding very basic ideas

This.

>All Christians Are Cucks
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>All Christians are Cucks #2
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>All Christians are Cucks #3
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>Cucktianity: What Is A Covenant
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>Cuck Identity
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>Cuck Identity #2
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>Indoctrination
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>Synagogue of Satan debunked
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biblehub.com/luke/3-33.htm
>the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah

biblehub.com/hebrews/7-14.htm
>For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah

biblehub.com/luke/4-15.htm
>He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
biblehub.com/john/1-11.htm
>He came to his own people, and even they rejected him.

His own people aka Jews.

biblehub.com/john/4-22.htm
>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Samaritans aka Gentiles.

JESUS WAS A JEW.

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As much as I respect Christ, why would you worship a hebrew religion? It's kinda pathetic. Aryan Vedic belief is far more rigorous, and is monotheistic.

Calling all Romans, Anglicans and Prots!

Come home to the West's true liturgy!

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What's the difference between western Orthodox and eastern Orthodox?

Same communion. Western Orthodoxy uses pre-schism liturgies from the Gaelic, Roman, Anglo tradition.

Ex: Liturgy of St. Gregory

>the west's
There is nothing western about worshiping the image of a jew. It's cuckoldry. Christ came to correct the hebrews from being satanic freaks. They failed Him and rebelled. We should hold to our Aryan traditions.

that echo kills the ears and the soul

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It's like asking the difference between Eastern Catholics and Roman Catholics, it's about liturgy and those traditions. The real difference between Catholics and Orthodox is that the Catholics have one person in charge of their church with authority and the orthodox do not, they have many men that agree together with no final authority at the top

Turn the other cheek is mistranslated/misinterpreted meme: This is not true whatsoever. There are MANY (too many to list) verses in the Bible that are anti-European and anti-Aryan.
>When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34)
>Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt. (Exodus 23:9)
>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

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What are "traditional Christian" family values?

Like goat fucker Abraham trying to kill his own son? Or Jesus encouraging European women to become degenerate nuns and stop making white babies?

Christianity is a Jewish sect which is now the forerunner of multiculturalism and race mixing.

Pro-White Pagan family values
Multi racial Christian v̶a̶l̶u̶e̶s̶ faggy morals

PICK ONE.

What exactly are "Traditional Christian family values?" Varg explains:

youtube.com/watch?v=VjEqoltgSQE&feature=youtu.be

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Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization

Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven

When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep"...

... he is not kidding, or meaning the opposite, but actually setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical

Jow Forums "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!

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Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven for the persecuted, the meek, and the martyred would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth", "my kingdom is of this world" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"

Only some one that just wanna use Christianity as an empty shell devoid of any true religious promises would claim that Paul and Peter misinterpreted Jesus when they submitted to their enemies and died to them while praying for them, instead of fighting the romans back and establishing a crusader kingdom, thing that one would expect them to do if Jesus meant "be a fighter and impose your will on your enemies" when he said "love your enemies and lend all they need to them without expecting anything in return"

But using Christianity as a shell devoid of any religious promises simply allows its poisonous morality to survive into the next generation.

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "I didn't come to bring peace", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing what Jesus wanted is for them to put christian morality above the good-being of their own families.

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god is a social construct

Well it could potentially give you a key to heaven is that really worth less than $70 or a trip to the library?

It varies - they tend to be really good at shredding a lot of the supposed contradictions in the bible - (although the Trinity is always something which is hard to argue through natural theology) however they run into trouble with objections that go beyond this which is not something that is dealt with until much later thinkers.

You put race above God. You cannot accept God because Jesus isn't European? Stop worshipping race, dude...

For Example these are Eastern Catholics. The black veil the Orthodox wear is a separate tradition and it's own story

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That should say Armenian

I do. Thank you for coming clean for all the real white nationalist/national socialist on the board thinking about becoming a christkike.

What meaning do you find in putting the ultimate goal of your life on race and not a personal God? You're an atheist or some kind of pagan at least?

I really don't know if they still wear the veil in the eastern catholic church regularly but it's the Orthodox meme not ours. Also here's the Melkite Greek Church, it's a part of the Roman Catholic Church but they are Eastern Catholics.

So the answer is not that it's liturgical it's doctrinal.

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>Calling all Romans
Thats a bit disrespectful don't you think? Catholics have stopped calling Orthodox Christians Greeks.

Mainly the liturgies used however at least one group of them has hetrodox views regarding the Oriental Orthodox Church. Likewise there are issues of its continuity as they are not continuing practices so much as reviving them.

That said dont get too worked up on them its an absolutely tiny group which only exists in a couple of countries.

go get dhouey rheims bible and be catholic

stop being a faggot

So to sum up your question, The Eastern Orthodox are also Eastern Catholics since they almost have the same doctrines and teachings and same required liturgy (different Style). But then there's "eastern Catholics" which are eastern churches with a more eastern liturgy or style that are in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, accept the Pope as the final authority.

So
Eastern Orthodox = Exocummunicated Eastern Catholics
"Eastern Catholics" = Non exocummunicated Eastern catholics

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I bet you are an american or from a protestant country.

Why not just read the KJV and form your own opinion of what Christ was trying to say? Seriously.

Interesting, user. Tell me more about this Aryan Vedism

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>You can be Catholic without being Catholic!
You can be Orthodox and not be exocummunicated

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Just get a KJV and read it,

Stop reading study Bibles, start reading the word of GOD.

Papal legate has no authority to excomminicate the 4 OTHER patriarchs. Rome left the fold. over heresy.

Don't know what you're talking about. It's one of the only "Study Bibles" I've ever read that delves into the traditional allegorical interpretations of the passages. It's well worth the money, imo. If you're looking for modern textual criticism, yeah it comes up short, but if you're actually interested in spiritual practice and personal growth, it's one of the best I've found.

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I've been to an OCA and an ROCOR church. People were welcoming at both, and seemed to take their faith pretty seriously. I never worked towards Chrismation because I ultimately can't reconcile myself with Christian completely. However, my experience with the Orthodox, as opposed to the Catholicucks I was raised with, changed my dismissive view of Christianity. I no longer despise it, and I can appreciate its philosophical contributions now, even if I still can't believe in the Resurrection. I still attend an Orthodox liturgy a few times a year if I can simple because I enjoy it.

One can see the death cult elements of Christianity manifesting in the suicide of the west today.

> I never worked towards Chrismation because I ultimately can't reconcile myself with Christian completely
Can you expand on this a bit more Id be interested to hear you concerns/experience

I'm already a baptized Catholic so the process to convert to Orthodoxy is relatively simple. I thought about it, but I don't have a strong desire to commit myself to it as I still frankly don't believe in the Resurrection. But the sincerity and sophistication of Orthodox theology that was exposed to did improve my attitude towards Christianity. I have an appreciation for it that I never got even from years of (mediocre) Catholic catechists. I don't countersignal Christianity in public anymore, and I don't suffer those that do too flippantly, as I take its role in western civilization seriously now. But my general view of life is more pagan and stoic, and I don't think larping unironic Orthodoxy is a sustainable "out" for me. Orthodoxy's mysticism, and meditations on the nature of God are interesting, but I can't move beyond a mere philosophical and literary appreciation of the ideas and cross over into actual belief any more than reading Tolkien would convince me of the literal reality of Eru Illuvatar and to become an Esoteric Tolkienist.

Do you still have any beliefs in God even if its the Aquinas or Deist Kind? Im in a similar position with regards to religion and its societal role.
>I thought about it, but I don't have a strong desire to commit myself to it as I still frankly don't believe in the Resurrection
What about the things like the lack of a body in the tomb or the Apostles being willing to die for what the believed to die over this?

>cathocucks
>Orthodox literally ask Turkroaches to conquer their homeland

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Also you can't believe because you've been raised by parents who have a boomer mentality and poisoned your mind with it. It was the boomers that started these "scientific skeptic Athiest" memes. So next time you feel like calling someone a "cuck" be sure to back that up with evidence especially since the Catholics were the ones who regained land with Spain and France and Italy, unlike the Orthodox

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It’ll be missing the deuterocanon, the footnotes are certainly not sparse either. The Orthodox Study Bible gives you the same understanding as reading the church fathers.
It is invaluable and the only English orthodox bible that does this. It is very much worth your money, try and get it cheap on amazon or something.

This isn't even insulting and not nearly as damning as the ones aboutthe Orthodox, I don't even think it's worth reading all the way through (even though I had)

It provides a better and more honest argument though. For instance saying that half of the Orthodox Church in Russia fled to Siberia and that the customs that caused the split were Pagan are simply false and would be akin to someone saying the Spanish Inquisition killed 6,000,000 people and world burn people for so much as looking at a bible.

Still both are ultimately meme pics.

>What about the things like the lack of a body in the tomb
I think it still possible to doubt the historicity of that
>or the Apostles being willing to die for what the believed to die over this?
I don't think its possible doubt the historicity of this, however I think that humans are demonstrably willing to die for ideas and abstractions that they know are not literally true, but that the nevertheless believe are metaphysically correct. People die for political abstractions all the time. I don't find it hard to believe that the apostles would have been willing to die to advance their new vision of the world, even if the Resurrection was not a true event, but merely "a truth" as they saw it. I see people die for "truths" all the time. I think Pilate's question still stands.

We can spend the next several hours exchanging historical barbs but it won't change the reality of the present. Post Vatican II Catholicism is cucked. Jews and Communists destroyed it. Whites are cucked too now, and none of their historical achievements are going to save them unless the uncuck themselves. Same goes for the Church.

I can't stand you faggots you are all LARPing as intellectuals. You get some "orthodox study bible" by some memelord from modern times who nobody has ever heard of instead of ACTUALLY READING THE CHURCH FATHERS from the primary sources from cover to cover. You don't bother reading the homilies of St basil the great or the homilies of St John Chrysostom extensively and you don't read great western works that would BENEFIT you like St Irenaeus of Lyons, On the book of Job by St Pope Gregory the Great, the homilies of St Pope leo the Great or the City of God by St Augustine, neither do you read St Thomas Aquinas, who has the Catena Aurea who compiles all the Church Fathers together with a verse by verse commentary on all 4 gospels. NO you read some modern book "On Prayer" instead of reading the Desert Fathers or the Life of St Athony by St Athanasius and then you insult the Popes asserting the ones chosen during the sack of Rome were phony cucks when ST LEO THE GREAT IS VENERATED IN YOUR TRADITION

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT

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For me it was looking at other religions which had similar moments yet didn't falter (the Mormon Witnesses to the Golden Plates, the JWs end of the world predictions, Scientology and the lack of super powers) + the fact that outside of a few books of the Bible Church history is extremely hazy and ill preserved.

What has your experience with other religions/the God question in general been like?