Catholics literally believe in magic spells that turn bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Jesus in which they...

>Catholics literally believe in magic spells that turn bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Jesus in which they consume

Is there anything more disgusting than mysticism and magic in Christianity? If you are a Catholic prove to me Transubstantiation is real, show me the proof the bread and wine turn into the actual flesh and blood of Christ. I have to say that most Catholics probably don't believe in Transubstantiation, therefore they aren't real Catholics. Seek your fucking forgiveness from the Lord and convert from this treachery and heresy. Catholics are NOT with God and you will burn in Hell for all eternity.

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Get right or burn forever

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We should have stopped with Zwingli and Muntzer The protestant train has no breaks

So far we have deduced that priests can be pedophiles and still do the eucharist, but I suppose they wouldn't have anyone to do it in the first place if that wasn't the case!

>doesn't know the difference between substance and accidents
>doesn't believe Jesus is God
>doesn't believe in Eternal Life
>doesn't believe in prayer
>claims he's not a heretic
Do some research

naw they believe it's symbolic... and real at the same time. it's a mystery.

>believes in literal magic happening in your belly

Catholicism is retarded, news at 11

>Hail Mary,
Nothing wrong with hailing, that's just old english for calling someone. You hail a ship. that doesn't mean you worship the ship
>full of grace,
she certainly is full of grace, she was chosen to carry Jesus around for 9 months
>the Lord is with thee;
again carrying jesus

These are also a quote from Luke 1:28

>blessed art thou amongst women,
she was chosen, out of all women in the world to carry Jesus, I'd call that blessed wouldn't you?

>and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Jesus is certainly blessed I'd say

again quoting Luke at 1:48

>Holy Mary,
She is holy, she has been blessed by God

>Mother of God,
She is the mother of God

>pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Asking Mary to pray for us is no different than asking your own mother to pray for you

Amen.

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>strawman argument because he doesn't have the education or guidance from the Holy Spirit
I'll pray a Rosary for you

Funny because you post consisted of 5 different strawmen.

>Saint Peter wasn't chosen by God
>God literally changes his name to rock
>says you are rock and upon this rock I build my church
>the every time God changes someone's name he puts them in a position of authority
>e.g.. Abraham and Israel
>God changed Peter's name
>he was first among equals
>Every time the apostles are listed in the bible Peter is first because Peter is first among equals

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why are you posting this again?

I'm a confirmed Catholic.

No. They literally, unironically believe it.

I love our Mother!

Mary is my waifu

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Maybe I'm in it to show heresy, or maybe I do it for the (You)s

>So far we have deduced that people can be evil and still walk, checkmate Catholics
Literally how you sound.

>walking is pretty much the exact same thing as conjuring up the most important sacrament in all of Catholicism

Pedophiles do not know God, therefore they cannot be priests, therefore they cannot do the Eucharist. Checkmate.

>does not know that ordination to the priesthood causes an indelible change on the spul which gives the priest the physical ability to offer the Sacrifice of the Mass and therefore his own personal state of Grace has nothing to do with the physical reality of the Mass.
Did you know Judas was allowed to preach the Gospel and forgive sins and cast out demons?

no one believes it's symbolic, that's heresy

Bitch, that shit is symbolic dumb ass.
Fucking pay attention you troll.

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>Did you know Judas was allowed to preach the Gospel and forgive sins and cast out demons?
No I did not, this is just more evidence of this being a heretical farce.

>>walking is pretty much the exact same thing as conjuring up the most important sacrament in all of Catholicism
Which is easier to say "Thy sins are forgiven thee, or "get up and walk"?

Why can't papists just admit that they worship a goddess instead of going through mental gymnastics?

Both are just as easy to say.

>doesn't address a single claim or make a single point

lol troll

>doesn't read the Gospels
Jesus sent his disciples out to preach the Gospel, forgive sins, and cast out demons before his death. Judas was a disciple at the time and therefore was given the same mission.

i'm not sure about that user; the spirit came upon the apostles after the resurrection, by which point judas was dead

>Both are just as easy to say.
Have you honestly never read the Gospel or what?

When Jesus sent them out the first time he told them he was still alive and the Spirit had not come yet.

>Amen

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Excuse me, but I don't wish to continue this conversation anymore with such a tainted and impure soul.

someone in the other thread said Hitler was anti-christian..

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>We literally all know it doesnt turn to flesh in your stomach
>HERETIC

Dude, Catholics dont beleive that it turns into the chemical equivalent of flesh in your stomach

lots of things seem silly, but when the alternative is becoming a zogged kike... I'll take cannibalism

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>denying church doctrine
congrats on being a heretic, user

no bro, the disciples are just the 12 houses of the zodiac with Jesus being the Sun (son)

False dilemma

yes but he specifically mentions the forgiveness of sins when the spirit descends at the end of john; see john 20:22-23

that's not what the church teaches, it claims it is literal

dogma is for dogs

>but I don't wish to continue this conversation anymore with such a tainted and impure soul.
"Who is this Jesus that he sits with prostitutes and tax collectors?"

>that crescent at the feat
I love that they don't even hide it. Don't get me wrong though I think the pagan parts of Catholicism are the best parts. Without it they are just a bunch of kike garbage.
Pagan components and Greek philosophy are what made the religion.

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>loses
>says his opponent is evil so he is going to quit
kek

>Muntzer
>stopping
Nigga had no chill

best girl

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There's no point in asking Mary to pray you. She's not God in any theological metric.

All Mary veneration is is a leftover of fertility cult goddess worship that tries to reconcile the lack of a feminine archetype in Christianity

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_resistance_to_Nazi_Germany

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus#Jesuits_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust
>The Nazi regime considered the Jesuits one of their most dangerous enemies. According to John Pollard, the Jesuit's "ethos represented the most intransigent opposition to the philosophy of Nazism." A Jesuit college in the city of Innsbruck served as a center for anti-Nazi resistance and was closed down by the Nazis in 1938.[73] Jesuits were a target for Gestapo prosecution and many Jesuit priests were deported to concentration camps

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
>Written in German, not the usual Latin, it was smuggled into Germany for fear of censorship and was read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches on one of the Church's busiest Sundays, Palm Sunday
>It condemned breaches of the Reichskonkordat agreement signed between the German Reich and the Holy See in 1933
>It criticised essentially those parts of Nazism that contradicted Catholicism, and condemned pantheistic confusion, neopaganism, "the so-called myth of race and blood", and statolatry i.e idolatry of the State
>It contained a vigorous defence of the Old Testament out of belief that it prepared the way for the New[4] and, in the opinion of some, contained a veiled attack on Adolf Hitler
>Thus the encyclical was primarily concerned to confront the Nazis anti-Catholic propaganda:
>to defend the Church in the face of totalitarian dictatorship
>Pacelli wrote to Cardinal Faulhaber on April 2, 1937 explaining that the encyclical was theologically and pastorally necessary “to preserve the true faith in Germany.”
>The encyclical also defended baptized Jews, considered still Jews by the Nazis because of racial theories that the Church could not accept.

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What are you gonna do? Burn us?

Hmm. Possibly. Either way, point stands.

A prostitute and a tax collector don't have to be heretics though :)

Look who's talking, the retard that posted this

You mad bro?

The peace of the lord be with you.

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>Nazi response[edit]

>The (censored) German newspapers made no mention of the encyclical.
>The Gestapo visited the offices of every German diocese the next day and seized all the copies they could find.[18]
>Every publishing company that had printed it was closed and sealed,
>diocesan newspapers were proscribed,
>and limits imposed on the paper available for Church purposes.[19][20]
>Frank J. Coppa asserts that the encyclical was viewed by the Nazis as "a call to battle against the Reich" and that Hitler was furious and "vowed revenge against the Church".[15]
>Thomas Bokenkotter writes that "the Nazis were infuriated, and in retaliation closed and sealed all the presses that had printed it and took numerous vindictive measures against the Church, including staging a long series of immorality trials of the Catholic clergy."[6][21]
>According to John Vidmar, Nazi reprisals against the Church in Germany followed thereafter, including "staged prosecutions of monks for homosexuality, with the maximum of publicity".[22] One hundred and seventy Franciscans were arrested in Koblenz and tried for “corrupting youth” in a secret trial, with numerous allegations of priestly debauchery appearing in the Nazi-controlled press, while a film produced for the Hitler Youth showed men dressed as priests dancing in a brothel.[23]

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#National_Socialist_attitudes_towards_Christianity
> the long term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion", but that given the prominence of Christianity in Germany, this was necessarily a long term goal.[54]

>Bullock wrote that Hitler had some regard for the organisational power of Catholicism,
>but utter contempt for its central teachings,
>which he said, if taken to their conclusion, "would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure".[52]
>Many Nazis were anti-clerical in both private and public life.[127]
>The Nazi party had decidedly pagan elements.[128]
>One position is that the Church and fascism could never have a lasting connection because both are a "holistic Weltanschauung" claiming the whole of the person.[126]
>Adolf Hitler himself has been described as a "spiritualist" by Laqueur; but by Bullock as a "rationalist" and "materialist" with no appreciation of the spiritual side of humanity;[129]
>and a simple "atheist" by Blainey.[130]
>His Fascist comrade Benito Mussolini was an atheist.
>Both were anticlerical, but understood that it would be rash to begin their Kulturkampfs against Catholicism prematurely.
>Such a clash, possibly inevitable in the future, was put off while they dealt with other enemies.[131]

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Essence and accidents bro. The host changes to essentially being Christs flesh, but has the appearance of being bread and wine

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>In the struggle for total control over German minds and bodies, the SS developed an anti-clerical agenda.[9] No chaplains were allowed in its units (although they were allowed in the regular army). Himmler established a special unit in the Sicherheitsdienst(SD) to identify and eliminate Catholic influences. The SS decided the German Catholic Church was a serious threat to its hegemony and while it was too strong to be abolished it had to be stripped of its influence, for example by closing its youth clubs and publications.[10]
>Himmler used the Jesuits as the model for the SS, since he found they had the core element absolute obedience and the cult of the organisation.[11] Hitler is also said to have called Himmler "my Ignatius of Loyola".[11] As an order, the SS needed a coherent doctrine that would set it apart. Himmler attempted to construct such an ideology, and to this purpose he deduced a "pseudo-Germanic tradition"[12] from history. In a 1936 memorandum, Himmler set forth a list of approved holidays based on pagan and political precedents meant to wean SS members from their reliance on Christian festivities. However, these attempts were not entirely successful. Historian Höhne observes that the "neo-pagan customs" Himmler introduced into the SS "...remained primarily a paper exercise".[13]

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>elements and accidents
>forces Christians to accept Aristotle's views on physics.
Literally superstitious. It is the blood and body of Christ because Christ declares it to be his blood and body.

I guess Catholics really fucking stupid, weird you would call yourself catholic while pointing out how dumb they are but whatever floats your boat.

yes they do and if you deny it whilst being catholic you are committing heresy.

>The host changes to essentially being Christs flesh, but has the appearance of being bread and wine
so transgenderism

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>b-b-but muh mein kemph

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>Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves


>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources#Questionable_and_self-published_sources

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meant for

>it claims it is literal
It doesn't happen in your stomach, it ahppens on the altar.
It is substantially changed but the accidents often remain that of bread and wine. Sometimes even the accidents change and it becomes flesh and blood, but this is very rare and always a big deal.

Peter was not meant to be the first Pope if that is where you are going with this. Peter is the rock that the church was built on and had the keys to heaven, but you take that too literally. Peter preached at the Pentacost and started the chain reaction that would lead to the creation of the church.

It's called Transubstantiation you fucking idiot, the substances changes but the accidents stay the same. Oh but I guess I shouldn't expect a Protestant retard to understand any of this considering the fact that you have no theology. All of the Church Fathers disagree with your heresy. Repent or burn in hell heretic.

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>Pedophiles do not know God

How do you figure? Most of the people who wrote the bibles fucked kids.

>Look who's talking, the retard that posted this (You)

I give you the definition of transubstantiation

>(especially in the Roman Catholic Church) the conversion of the substance of the Eucharistic elements into the body and blood of Christ at consecration, only the appearances of bread and wine still remaining.

>all this transgender shilling
fak off

>implying the train should have ever left the station

>I believe in some deity who killed the enemies of Jews over 2 thousand years ago and made himself into his own son to save humanity but Communion is black magic
The absolute state of religionfags

no its literal, symbolic is protestant

they were sent out after what event user?? ... come on this inst a trick question

here you are misinformed the substance or essence is different hence transubstantiation

this is how you end up anathema by your own action

ebic b8 vro

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The greek word used for first, protos, carries an implication of being chief, not just first in a list of equals.

Orthodox deny the ability of thr human to use reason to understand the world around them. I agree that reason is limited, but that doesnt mean it is useless. Honestly, it seems like orthodox hate reason just so they can be different.

old testament
>fuck you fuck you all, you bastard sons of bitch motherfuckers, go drown and fuck yourselves
new testament
>I love you all, we should love each other, pass that weed and forgive each other bros
roman catholic
>roman guy saw cross symbol visions, won battle
>shiet this is it bruhs
>oops endless crusades and wars
protestants
>fuck duh church we be independent n shiet
>oops people are turning from church and forming cults
mormons
>muh plates in the earth
>god told me israelites teleported to north america
>this is truth guys
>uh freemasons, nah

does any of this shit even matter anymore?
>inb4 year 4000 when prophet aay XI mk 3 claims 9/11 was the rapture of the new age and new revelations of the andromeda galaxy

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see

Transubstantiation is essentially the transgenderism of the Christian world.

>it's Jesus' flesh and blood because I say so, no ifs ands or buts
To which you consume your God like cannibals. Disgusting really.

this is incredibly autistic

not an argument

>You)
Brother will you pray for me?

Does me asking mean I worship you?


>All Mary veneration is is a leftover of fertility cult goddess worship that tries to reconcile the lack of a feminine archetype in Christianity
[Citation needed]

>God established an office so it could immediately go out
lol
He was head of the church
And like when they replaced Judas when he died, they replaced Peter with Linus, and it has continued on to this day.

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THIS. GAMERS RISE UP!

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Hail Mar-
Actually you know what, I think I'll just talk to the big guy himself.
why would you post this

>this is incredibly autistic
Yet I don't believe bread can turn into flesh or boys can become girls.

>implying the crusaders did anything wrong

>No you Catholic scum, I've never asked someone to pray for me
lol

Oh, theft and murder aren't wrong? Interesting.

>die
>humans decide you're a saint
>have to listen to all their gay ass prayers and basically be a wagie in heaven
i would be pissed desu

>I think I'll just talk to the big guy himself.
No one says you can't, but it's not always the best idea.

>false equivalency fallacy

>hey Broseph will you pray for me?
>hey son you should get Broseph to pray for you, he's really good at it
>hey grandson, make sure to get Broseph's help to pray
>1000 years
>wtf dude Broseph's a cool guy what's wrong with asking him to pray for me
this is what catholics ACTUALLY believe

>murder
war isnt murder you idiot
>theft
reclaiming christian lands from infidels is theft

Asking you, a person, to pray for me is different than me erecting altars and painting icons of you.

People ask their friends to pray for them all the time. Imagine being so arrogant and egotistical to think that you don't need others prayers, least of all the Mother of Christ.

>it's not always the best idea to just talk to God
yeah, ok

Broseph is in heaven and has more clout with God than you do

I too can imagine Jesus giving a big thumbs up to the Fourth Crusade. Dude probably sat in his recliner and watched it with some brews.

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Is it always a good idea to sit down to have a chat with the King? No. Sometimes it is a good idea to have his closest friends give you an introduction first.

Alters are for God

Icons are to remind you of the holiness of saints, you dont worship them.