Tfw unironically becoming demsoc

Somebody's got to pay for it. And the Jews will make sure that it won't be them.

>Raises taxes
>Pay or go to jail

Oh wow so hard

>universal healthcare
niggers will stretch this past the breaking point.
western countries "look good now" just wait until it has to support 40% niggers.

We already give you all of this shit for free until you turn 18 years of age and now It is your turn to pay it forward.

Except the vast majority of rich people just inherited their wealth

Everyone has health care and aren't robbed blind by hospitals for breaking their arm. USA healthcare system is a joke

>scandinavia

>Everyone has health care and aren't robbed blind by hospitals for breaking their arm. USA healthcare system is a joke
how much does everyone get?

taxation is theft
theft is a crime
and yet...

Because demsoc isn't pro-anything, its anti-capitalist, and you are subscribing to an overall worldview that has been used to justify all sorts of awful policies. Your free school comes bundled with dangerous immigration policies, ass backwards views on police and race relations, and a complete contempt for the very culture that allows idiots like that to have a voice in the first place.

I am not so delusional as to think that American style capitalism is working at peak efficiency for everyone, and I do not think it is above critique. With that said, everything you propose needs to be situated within a nationalist platform, not some DSA pinko cop-out.

Well what's you argument for it? It's like you expect everyone else to do your arguing for you.
Typical democrat.

ahaha

good luck enforcing that pedro

>how much does everyone get?
This is a very important point. Healthcare is not a binary on/off sort of thing, it's slope of rising costs and diminishing returns.

people who inherit their money have more of a right to it than you nigger

>the vast majority of rich people just inherited their wealth
Yeah, that's why they deserve it.

The rich win because they are fucking better than you. They have better genes so they outcompete you. If they did that coercively that's only thanks to the government. Fucking non-white parasite.

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I've never really understand why shitlibs want more government control over everything, it always seems contradicting from afar.

Parents shouldn't be allowed to pass on wealth to their kin?

Niggers

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I wouldn't call getting health insurance and a $15 an hour wage "succeeding in life".

>Inheriting things from your parents is bad
Let us see how much further we can go with this logic.

Allows dumb people to thrive and breed, instead of being too emaciated to get an erection.

A poor person in a libertarian society can work a trade, and then pay for his own education. People unable to find work wouldn't be having children because they would require the money to feed them instead of "gibs me dat" we see from sheboons. Fuck your democratic socialism, it helps the genetic trash who don't try and fend for themselves.

If you tax the wealthy to the point that they make as much money as the literal retard that cleans the bathrooms in their store, the wealthy will leave.

If people have "guaranteed jobs", they will do the bare minimum (or less) to keep from being fired/getting a shittier job.
>protip- the second point is why the USSR failed.

Is not a crime when law does it dummy

Tax the rich and none of your Utopia will bears the fruits of your imaginations.

Reminder that Judaism teaches this mindset. It's called prosperity theology.

There's already plenty of control by government in healthcare, but it's a disjointed mess. The whole thing should be collapsed into Medicare for all.

Niggers

I fucking hate you dumb niggers living in rich countries claiming poverty. You'd probably be one of the 1% in Poland if you earn 15$ an hour.

Disagree

Because they think corporations have too much power. They see government control also meaning "collective action" in which people form together to resist against tyrannical corporate practices. They, similarly, do not understand why you want corporations to have so much power.

If you tax the rich heavily, who will they hire? Wage slaves paid in pennies because they can't actually pay people a decent wage? No, fuck that. I'll earn my own way and pay my own way, and if you don't like it feel free to vote for Crazy Cortez or fuck off to some socialist hell hole. I hear Venezuela is nice this time of year, and their people are breaking records in weight loss! Must be nice to have so many skinny chicks around! So by all means, go, fly, be free of the capitalist yoke!

We have all of this in socialist Poland. If you work, you get minimum wage and healthcare. Rich Poles will soon leave Poland because og0f the tax.

I fucking hate you dumb niggers living in rich countries claiming poverty. You'd probably be one of the 1% in Poland if you earn 15$ an hour.
It's not a mindset, it's the truth. I support the christian way of voluntarily sharing but all these niggers waiting for gibs just make me want to join the RWDS already.

Testosterone

>Inherit money
>I deserve this

The delusion state of trust fund babies

I would be okay with universal healthcare for preventative stuff but now trannies that want to cut their dicks off and add a puss filled gaping hole in their pelvis that they purport to be a life saving procedure. Also, niggers eat fried everything. Fat niggers would be the biggest burden.

Whatever happened to creepychan?

>free

nah

Health insurance should be illegal and people who try to get medical care without paying should be euthanized and stripped for parts.

Why are you claiming the money of someone who died deserves more to be stolen by some uncontrollable elite rather than given to his prodigy or whatever he decided in his testament?
All of socialists seem to be horrible people with increadible greed. I guess that's why it's the jews main ideology.

Come to england :(

tanstaafl

It works well in closely knit homogeneous societies.

Why would I need any of that? I work and pay for it myself, you should try it some time instead of being a fucking nothing that is good for nothing and has no prospects in life. Goddamn this board is pathetic sometimes.

>well
In Poland we are literally going to crash and burn in the next 50 years. Socialism works as long as you don't run out of other people's money.

i.e. never

>taxing the rich heavily
They'll leave, or stop working.
Do u want the rich to stop working?
Do you have the faintest idea how much of the things you take for granted are the result of very capable workaholics working 60/hs a week? And I'm talking of highly capable CEOs -the rich- you want to tax into leaving

>What is the argument against universal healthcare, a guaranteed living wage, free education, and taxing the rich heavily?
Venezuela

Get off your faggot VPN nobody is believing that bullshit.

Christianity is pro-communism, anti-usury, anti-wealth hoarding. etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Rich_Fool
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard
>"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need"
-Acts 4:32–35

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>universal healthcare
nowhere near enough funds even at 100% taxation of everyone
massive doctor and staff shortage leading to lessening of standard of care
conscripting doctors would require lesser educational standards
>guaranteed living wage
by who's standards? studio apartment and ramen wages or suburban homeowner wages?
all tax revenue has been used for universal health care and everyone with 100+ IQ has been conscripted into the medical field.
>free education
Already have it and too much of it is spent attempting to educate the unwilling.
>taxing the rich heavily
no incentive to excel, no one will put in any extra effort if they will lose it all to taxes. Stagnation at best but regression is more likely.

Positive rights don't exist, the govt is not your mom and everyone is not equal.

>What is the argument against universal healthcare, a guaranteed living wage, free education, and taxing the rich heavily?

You don't tax the rich.

You abolish capitalism and integrate their expertise into the dictatorship of the proletariat.

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> universal healthcare

Enslaving (it's forced servitude) high-achieving, intelligent members of your society to save retarded subhumans who will do nothing but drag a country down.

> guaranteed living wage

Subsidizing lazy, useless human beings to breed without limit. Massive environmental damage, mass starvation when the unsustainable welfare collapses, violence, rape. Venuzuela, USSR, Vietnam, China, North Korea.

> free education

8 hours a day of pointless, ineffective indoctrination to impressionable young minds. Is inevitably used to mentally enslave them.

> taxing the rich heavily

Used, historically, 100% of the time as a mechanism to funnel money from a country's people into a violent oligarchy.

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Because "your" money is an illusion, you are 100% dependent on society and anything you ever do is thanks to it, you couldnt even feed yourself if it was for your work.

Whos this paranoid inseminoid?

white homogeneous small countries where 99% work their asses off.

It's probably the best economical system for a collectivist, solidaric and homogenous nation. Took Sweden from being one of the poorest countries in Europe to one of the richest and best functioning countries in the world. It didn't start to crumble until the zionists started the multicultural project and the EU grabbed power.

I don't think it would work in America since it's very uncentralized, individualist, diverse and tribalistic country. Maybe in a very white state like New Hampshire or the Pacific northwest if they do away with their penchant for leftist identity politics.

In a nutshell? There is no free lunch. If you do not allow the rich then you do not get investment which creates jobs. Also you get what you pay for: a free education for the sake of education is worthless. Universal healthcare only works when you have a homogenous population.

>inb4 nah-uh

Grow up commie.

Christianity is also compatible with racial separation.
>From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.
-Acts 17:26

The reason why this is appealing to you, is because you're more than likely a non-white. The best argument for "demsoc" is physical removal. I hope you enjoy your new life in Africa.

I want a 6% flat tax rate, and that's it. I want to keep as much money as I possibly can, with just enough in taxes to finance a moderately small government, but a sufficiently large enough military and border enforcement. I won't be getting that anytime soon with you here, so you'll have to go. Bye-bye.

Why do burgers defend paying Dr. Goldfarb massive amounts of money for something that is in their benefit to not go broke over and is overall incredibly cheaper by paying for it with national insurance? Really activates the almonds.

>USA healthcare system is a joke
Better to die on the waiting room floor in Canada or have your baby decapitated by incompetent foreign doctors in the UK, right?

They love having the freedoms to be screwed over, decent healthcare? Communism!

Reality and physics

>Chile

Nuf said.

US is 21 TRILLION in debt and a further 30+ trillion are missing from Pentagon and other agencies. If you can pony up a measly 80 trillion im sure we can give everyone what they want for a few years.

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Fact: The United States has never had a single case of negligence from a medical professional.

Your chicago friends came with capitalist bullshit, we were fine with our state owned businesses

>universal healthcare is a very expensive health insurance plan that you almost never use
>guaranteed living wage is new age serfdom
>free education is more expensive than private education and is a state brainwashing internment camp for children
>taxing the rich is punishing productivity

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I think the larger point is there is no good system, and the US can't afford to bankrupt the nation on YASHCS (yet another shitty health care system).

But you knew that, bong fart.

tax the rich is code for cripple the lower and middle class with taxes and then make them dependent on the government

It’s not the soc I have a problem with, it’s the (((dem))). Change it to nat, and you havw a pretty sound political philosophy.

>universal healthcare
The healthcare is beyond shit. Just last year a co-workers son died because he fell and hit his head. Instead of doing proper tests that cost money, doctor said "is just concussion, go home" -> blood clot in brain, dead.
>universal living wage
What the fuck is that? You mean neetbux?
You get like 300 euros plus a portion of your rent per month. That's hardly enough for living. NEETs either live EXTREMELY modesty, or try to save up money by dumpster-diving etc.
>free eduction
It's not free. You just pay it to the government in the form of taxes instead of directly to the school.
>taxing the rich heavily
The rich don't leave their money in the country to be taxed. The money you want to tax are in tax paradises. It is the working middle class who will pay for your utopia, not the rich.

Any more questions?

yeah.. i used to be ok with our healthcare "hey, what if I need it? at least it helps peopel right?"

Then I realised ~80% of the money goes to the same people, over and over, and that less then 50% contribute to the fund.

also when I finally needed healthcare, I simply did not get it, they left me in waiting room for 12+ hours with head wounds and concussed.. had to wait years for MRI/CAT scans... fuck that shit... why am I paying so much of my income for everyone elses benefit instead of paying for just my own insurance?

*Abolish Capitalism and replace it with a dictatorship of the führer.
That sounds better

I don’t have to ever worry about going broke due to unforeseen medical circumstances, it’s just one less thing I have to worry about in life.

Taxing the rich (who will leave anyway) never pays for it. Price controls and compulsory labor are ultimately required to prop these utopias up. And it still results in a privileged class, just with an oligarchy rather than a capitalist system, and the government dictating markets rather than the open economy.

You're right Muhammed! Instead you can just bleed out in the ER room like human blight deserves! Congrats!

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The argument against it is usually from a position of greed. Politics has nothing to do with it, money does. People think their money is more important than human lives. This is what is wrong with capitalism- it creates a mentally of hatred and vicious greed. "As long as I keep my money." Give a guy a button that gives you $1,000,000 every time you press it but kills a homeless man every time you press it, and he'll press it. But only if he cares for wealth. Money shouldn't be essential to survival. It wasn't before modern civilization.

We have ways to protect against that too, and we don't have to deal with a corrupt NHS.

Thats bullshit, tax capital gains, tax foreign profits, its not impossible you just have politicians corrupt enough to not give a shit

Pinochet missed one it seems.

The classic burger defence, Mr. 56% tries it on with the Muhammad card knowing full well that I’m the eternal Anglo. The emergency room room? Have you hit your head?

This is a very good answer. Well put.

>I’m the eternal Anglo
Whatever you say Ahmed.

No US hospitals, medical insurance or healthcare firms are corrupt? How did you stop that from happening?

free healthcare and education, i'm on board for. as long as its for whites.

You're right, money shouldn't be key for survival, it should be relative fitness as it was in nearly of all of human history prior to the advent of modern medicine.

Such a shame that money has allowed people to live out a 300lb life for so long, I agree.

Where do you find so much straw?

>Tu no eres wyte muh nigga.
Whatever you say Tyrone Gonzalez.

You folks realize that you're making it abundantly clear something that Ta-Nehisi Coates has been saying all along, right?
There is no real argument against universal healthcare and public education. The idea has been around a long time and has been implemented in many countries. It has been the hope of many non-racists in America that once such policies are enacted, they will lift a lot of people out of poverty, allowing people of color to succeed in much greater numbers than they have been. In particular, it has been the hope that once such policies are enacted, children of all races and socioeconomic statuses will be allowed to achieve their full potential.
But Coates thinks that this is a pipe dream. If I understand him correctly, he believes that the majority of whites will not vote for such policies, BECAUSE they know that they will benefit people of color more than whites. Too many whites are so openly racist, or have such racist assumptions, that they don't want to consider Americans of color to be real Americans like themselves.
The root problem is racism. If we eliminate racism, then Americans will be capable of voting for democratic socialist policies.

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