What happened to fiscally conservative?

I can blame them for getting us into a pointless war

>Japan attacks Pearl Harbour, blows up most of the US Pacific fleet
>Immediately after, Germany declares war on the USA

"HURR, WHY DID ROOSIE GET US INTO A POINTLESS WAR HURR"

jesus do they even have schools down there in murrica?

>politics is as simple as "japs bombed porl haybor"
GG canadian.

Why did we embargo them?
Was it worth it?

You dense motherfucker, this isn't a thread about WW2, it's a thread about how fiscally irresponsible republicans are. In every instance, for more than a century, Republican administrations have run up more debt than democratic ones. You cited a counter-example of Roosevelt during WW2. Fellow user pointed out that WW2 shouldn't count and makes a shitty counter-example because the spending was justified. You then tried to counter this argument by saying the war was unnecessary.

Your point is retarded. The world brought the war to America, not the other way around, thus your exception is a stupid one. Your argument is stupid. You probably vote Republican, too. The party of imbeciles, you fit right it!

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>The world brought the war to America
No us not wanting to remain neutral did that

why did the US embargo them? Do you honestly not know the answer??

>WW1 happens. It's the biggest, most horrible war the world has ever seen.
>the great powers form the League of Nations (predecessor to the UN). The number 1 job of the League is to prevent war by preventing states from attacking each other
>Japan invades China
>All the countries in the League object to this, tell Japan to leave China alone. Japan replies by leaving the League and continues to literally rape and pillage China
>America responds by refusing to sell Japan oil

pretty fucking justified

No. Japan was mad because the US stopped selling them oil because they were raping and pillaging China. If you think the attack on Pearl Harbour was justified, that's seriously fucked up. Even by Jow Forums standards that is some fucked up thinking.

>>WW1 happens.
Another war we could have avoided but Dems got us in anyway
>>All the countries in the League object to this, tell Japan to leave China alone. Japan replies by leaving the League and continues to literally rape and pillage China
How is this our problem?

>on Pearl Harbour was justified
I dont even care if it was justified or not
My point is it could have been avoided

The war was unnecessary,
politics isn't as simple as "da nips borld worl barbor"
there were plenty of events long before pearl harbor that could have secured american peace and prosperity as well as preventing pearl harbor and the nuking of japan.
meaning wasting the money on fighting it instead of selling guns like we had been doing from the start was a waste of money.

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They are intentionally trying to destroy America.

Because you can only have democracy and capitalism in a world that obeys laws. If you just stay isolationist, eventually the wolves will come to your door.

Let Japan take over the Pacific? Okay. Then what happens 25 years later when Japan controls all of China, Korea, Indonesia, and Australia? Japan attacks Pearl Harbour and you go to war with them, only this time Japan's military is 10x the strength. Good luck with that.

It's the same principle as the cold war with the USSR. If you just sit on your ass and let the USSR slowly conquer Asia, Africa, Europe, South America... what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You think they'll just stop and not bother the one place they haven't conquered yet?

Most NEETs are conservative.

You guys are saying it is America's fault Japan attacked, because America caused tensions with the embargo.

You're saying America doesn't have the right to choose who it sells oil to. That's insane. You're saying America should have continued selling oil to Japan just to prevent war. That's insane.

America has the right to sell or not to sell oil to any other country. If a country invades another country for no good reason, America has the right to object to such action, and impose an embargo. You may not care about anything that goes on in the world outside of the USA, but most people are smart enough to care about these things. It matters.

>They are running expansionary monetary policy in an upswing?
You mean fiscal policy?

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that's obviously what he means

because most people dont actually know what the political terms mean, they just pick sides and stick to them even though both sides actually act the exact fucking same

and when it comes to money, specifically the countries money people only look as base costs and dont even think about the reprecautions of the countries actions

idk about all of you but i know most people in school sure as fuck didnt pay attention let alone take notes on what was taught in any history classes

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>have democracy and capitalism
Democracy is retarded and "capitalism" is a retarded marxist meme
>in a world that obeys laws.
I dont care about international laws
>the wolves will come to your door.
Neither Japan or Germany ever had any intention of ever setting foot in America
Germany never even wanted to occupy England
>Japan attacks Pearl Harbour
For what reason?
>Japan's military is 10x the strength.
The world is not some stupid RTS game
Japans military would have been putting down nonstop revolts
> If you just sit on your ass and let the USSR slowly conquer Asia, Africa, Europe, South America
They never had the logistical capability to do this
They were nothing more than a regional power

>America's fault Japan attacked,
Read my pot idiot
I said I dont care if it was justified or not
I said it wasn't worth it

If we removed non-whites the problem would disappear.

>Ctrl+F
>jews
>Not found

Jow Forums, I....

>"capitalism" is a retarded marxist meme

sorry, I don't have the time to argue with literal retards. You are hereby ignored.

"capitalism" has always and always will exist

So you're saying America should have continued to sell oil to japan and just turned a blind eye to any state on state aggression. That's what you're saying.

The entire modern world was built by America, built on the rule of law, where nations do not attack with each other and can freely trade with each other. Everything your country stands for depends on this.

>So you're saying America should have continued to sell oil to japan and just turned a blind eye to any state on state aggression.
If it was in our interests
>where nations do not attack with each
I dont see what that has to do with US law

fiscal policy has taken a backseat to immigration because wtf does it even matter if you're country is overrun with niggers, chinks, pajeets and other third world slime

>fiscally conservative
Why? Our widespread military and power projection, alone, is the reason why our country hasn't collapsed yet.
Once we finally grasp cold fusion, then we will have, essentially, won the game

The Japanese are superior to the Chinese, why should they be allowed to conquer them. If they did it like the Jews are doing to the west, would you still be making that argument?

It's been 96 years since a repuke decreased the size of government. WE are 75 years overdue in regards to watering the liberty tree with the blood of tyrants.

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>CapitalismHypocrisy.jpg
But capitalism thinks both are socialism.

Neocohens never claim to be fiscally conservative, that shit is a meme. There are no alternatives to neocohens because the RNC controls who gets funding. The RNC itself gets funded by corporate PACs that make sure that they'll get corporate gibs in the form of no bid contracts and other federal outlays

The USA is a giant banana republic, not a democracy. Its not that 'Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative', I dont think any republican has run on fiscal conservatism since before Reagan. If they did, they lied.

tldr: Republican =/= fiscally conservative.

You really need to read more. Technically speaking, Japan attacking China was a violation of US law.

Your constitution states that any treaties signed and ratified by congress are considered US law. The US was a full member of the League of Nations. So was China. As a member, it was America's duty to object and attempt to prevent unjust wars against other members, and that's exactly what the US did. It fulfilled its treaty obligation, which it was required to do by the constitution.

As for US interests, you're wrong on that point as well. It was in US interests to go to war with japan while Japan's economy was 1/10 the size of the US. Even then, Japan still beat the absolute shit out of you in the beginning of the war, with a K/D ratio of 12 to 1. Defeating Japan, with an economy 10% the size of yours, ended up being a serious task that took years and enormous resources.

The alternative would have been to allow Japan to conquer all of China and all of the Pacific, including European holdings and territories, and also subjugate Australia, and become far more powerful. It would have made the world much more hostile and weakened America's allies and destroyed trading partners. America would have been much worse off.

Diplomacy matters. Having allies matters. having trading partners matters, yes, even for the USA. You won't always be the biggest dog in the arena.

>i thought doctors were supposed to do no harm
>and yet, when my throat started closing they totally stabbed me in the trachea
>checkmate, doctors!

>Your constitution states that any treaties signed and ratified by congress are considered US law.
At best that would have made us legally obligated to go to war
I am not aware of any treaty we signed were we were required to enforce world peace

>The alternative would have been to allow Japan to conquer all of China and all of the Pacific, including European holdings and territories, and also subjugate Australia, and become far more powerful. It would have made the world much more hostile and weakened America's allies and destroyed trading partners. America would have been much worse off.
They still would not have had the logistical capability to invade and occupy the US
Never mind a reason to

>Having allies matters.
our allies now are complete shit

the treaty obliged you to do something, hence the oil embargo. I never said the treaty obliged you to go to war. The Japanese declaration of war and attack on US soil did that.

As for the second point, I don't think you're thinking this through enough. Japan wouldn't have had the logistical capability to attack the US mainland at the time... but what about decades later?

You think your allies are complete shit and that you don't need the world? Yes, you sound like a Trump supporter and if you people get your way, America will fade into oblivion. You'll sit on your ass and watch as the US loses its hegemonic status and a new hegemon takes its place - most likely China. We'll see how you like living in that world.

>the treaty obliged you to do something,
What exactly?
Why did it require an embargo over a strongly worded letter
Also this is pointless because we never should have gotten into the League of Nations in the first place
>but what about decades later?
No
>You think your allies are complete shit and that you don't need the world?
What do we need them war
>most likely China
Again they will only ever be a regional power
They might threaten (((international))) interests but why should I care?

You act as if the US is completely invincible. The US joined the League so that it could maintain the balance of power. You say china will only ever be a regional power. Maybe you mean in your life time, which would be a reasonable assertion to make... but your assertion is laughable if you are looking farther into the future.

Anyway, this has happened to every hegemon before and it is happening to the US right now. You are bowing out and allowing China to take your place. You might think it doesn't matter, you might think you're invincible, but you'd be wrong.

At the very best, when China becomes the hegemon, it will alter the world's trading culture to benefit itself and its allies, to your detriment. The Chinese will become wealthier and you will become poorer. That is the best case scenario. What is more likely, almost guaranteed, is war.

Again, you might think you're invincible. You might think with nuclear weapons, no one can touch you. Ah, but this is the future we're talking about. We're talking about cyber warfare and forms of warfare we can't yet imagine.

Oh well, hopefully I'll be dead before any of this shit happens.

>You act as if the US is completely invincible.
Nuke have pretty much made it so any county that wants to be left alone can
> the world's trading culture
>muh precious shekels
You know what I really dont care
>you will become poorer
oh no I might not be able to get the newest iphone every year
whatever will I do?
>We're talking about cyber warfare and forms of warfare we can't yet imagine.
That will still not allow them to occupy us so I dont really care

Leaf, your country ruined the end of WW2

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You see, we hired Donald Trump to be president.
This man has guided numerous corporations of his through bankruptcy. He knows how to squeeze back on creditors. He'll be at the helm when the US finally defaults. I'd rather have him be there than some fucking fat cunt who sells us our, or some clueless nigger puppet.
Many jew-banker asses will be penetrated.

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If I were American I would support Trump, just to avoid a Democrat government. Then, go full for the Libertarian Party. I know the American system is rigged, but it can be won over. Also, could a popular-demand initiative change that retarded electoral votes system?

You don't fret about loans when there is an intruder in your house. Priorities!

This. The cornfields and beef farms around my house are still here, my house is still here
We all good

kys,retard

Fiscal conservatives are just neocon kikes. Fuck them

Lol

The system is safeguarded against us forcing virtue upon it. We don't vote on policy. We vote on policy-voters. But once they're in, they are one of the massive expenses they told voters they'd slash, and they still have to make good on the bullshit promises they made in order to get in. You can't vote an anti-establishment guy into the establishment if you want change. He just becomes establishment himself. You have to dismantle the establishment, before the election, not after.

Conservatives always have to spend a fortune if they want to make social changes; it's how the leftists hamstring them. Then they blame them for being big spenders, but the spending is (mostly) for things the leftists wanted as appeasements or refuse to review themselves (entitlements).

At least we didn't enter WW1 and WW2 on the last 2 years, also we invented the M1Garand lol. And your jew Hollywood has you to believe you're all heroes when the rest of the world sees you as a cleanup party.

They are blackmailed and owned by the global elite. There's a reason why Dandy Graham and "Half a Brain" Mccain always want war with any country except Israel.

>what is materiel support
>what are 400,000 deaths
Why are you so fucking dumb? Garand was born in Canada but he grew up and lived in America. WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB?!?!

>Presidents setting budgets.
STFU faggot. The President doesn't control spending in the US.

Anyway, I was only for cutting the budget if it hurt minorities.

>german cuck is glad we spent billions bombing his country