Please read Homsi's posts and consider helping out Devs July 23 >Trump&Trudeau asked Israel to evacuate 800+ moderate beheaders White Helmets(Al-Qaeda-linked). They will be settled in UK, Canada,Germany,Netherlands >Sy For. Min:WH evacuation is a “criminal operation” by “Israel and its tools”.Support of the evacuation by US,UK, Jordan, Germany & Canada shows that these countries “back terrorists in Syria” >RU embassy:White Helmets exit from Sy curbs risks of staged chemical attack ops >Reconciled Daraa rebels fight ISIS together with SAA enraging militants bussed to Idlib, who accuse them of betraying the 'revolution' >Huge blast hits rebel-held town in north Aleppo, casualties reported. 30+ injured/killed >Senior Turkish-backed militia commander assassinated in Afrin by kurds >Roadside bomb kills several Islamist militants in Syria’s Idlib >With Daraa almost secured, Tiger forces&RUAF starts to bomb IS positions in Syria's SW >850+ refugees to return to Syria from Lebanon >Israeli launched an airstrike targeting SAA in Masyaf city, Hama.Sy AirDef intercepted and downed several missiles >Sy gov to re-operate Tabqa Dam as per agreement with Kurds
A slow "Maneuver" doesn't fucking matter, the planes change in position is negligible when the Intercepting Missile can close a distance of 4km in one second and can spread it's submunitions in a radius of 100m facing fowards.
>I think I'd rather prefer to listen to the manufacturer you're set up to be scammed, then >and reports of its performance. I would take Saudi success reports with a grain of salt >blah blah blah blah The pilot can think tactically and to avoid risks of both detection and being targeted, the missile can't. you actually start sounding like a Lockheed marketer at this point.
we're not discussing the inherent advantages of Ballistic Missiles and Jet Aircraft, we're discussing the differences between intercepting Ballistic Missiles and Jet Aircraft, and I don't see the point of continuing an argument against someone who is so fucking dense they can't even grasp the obvious issues with intercepting something going at 1.2 Mach more than the thing intercepting it.
Let me put it this way, because you seem incapable of understanding it by yourself: A SAM can intercept a Ballistic Missile, but it is inherently more difficult due to a Ballistic Missiles physical properties as compared to an Aircraft, as such for a SAM to reliably intercept a Ballistic Missile, it needs additional capabilities not required when intercepting an Aircraft, as you yourself admit in your very post.
As such, intercepting an Aircraft is easier than intercepting a Ballistic Missile for obvious reasons. And for the extremely Dense: There are certain Aircraft more difficult to intercept than Ballistic Missiles, but those are the exception and not the rule.
I'm not even gonna respong to retard r/the_donald Muttposting
>having pro-whatever tags next to each post so you can filter the bullshit that's...not a bad thing actually wtf i love reddit now
Juan Rivera
>you're set up to be scammed, then Except that the company would be sued and go bankrupt if they explicitly lied on their contracts. Performance requirements need to be met. >I would take Saudi success reports with a grain of salt They are not Saudi success reports, but open source media reports. >you actually start sounding like a Lockheed marketer at this point. Yeah and you sound like an ignoramus who bought into Sprey-tier memes. Pic related. >the obvious issues with intercepting something going at 1.2 Mach more than the thing intercepting it. Launching into a predictive position in front of its BALLISTIC trajectory. >As such, intercepting an Aircraft is easier than intercepting a Ballistic Missile for obvious reasons. Except that no. It is not. It is entirely dependent on the situation. A ballistic missile will generally behave in the same way. It's going to have a ballistic trajectory and it's going to fly towards the target at high speed. It just needs to be detected and missiles launched at the correct positions in time. The plane is not going to do that. It's going to do exactly as the pilot decides to fly it, it's going to be maintaining stealth, maneuvers, decoys and jamming. It will take advantage of the terrain, its own weapons and so forth. The plane is not predictable. It's smart, it fights back. The ballistic missiles just slams forward at high speed and so long as you have the radars and missiles to track, target and hit it, your concerns are few.
There is nothing special about using Su's or MiG's, Syria had aircraft from both design bureaus since Soviet times. And if you are one for pointless numbers their ground attack aircraft are mostly Sukhois.
Christopher Harris
kek
is that a ram jet engine?
Jaxson Ward
Su-22 is old ground attack plane, not used by Russia for decades.
I was so hype today when I've seen the news, WAR NOW
Joseph Adams
this but non ironical
Nathan Baker
intercepting a ballisic missile is not more difficult in general. it depends if the missile has the ability to maneuvre or not: a) if not all you need is to calculate where on its trajectory you can intercept it with your missiles even if they are slower than the missile entering your zone of control. b) if it is capable of maneuvring in response to an incoming anti balistic missiles and faster than it there is zero chance of interception. one will at least need multiple missiles to cover possible pathways.
Ryder Flores
>war >now
Lolno, Bibi will larp around until he sends yo ass into Lebanon again and sells your death off for more Mutt gibs
Henry Evans
You could always blow up the quds mosque to speed up the process. >implying the chosenite banksters would let it happen
Asher Campbell
JIDF really hypes up the thread
Dominic Foster
>Gonna miss SG /GreatLakesGeneral/ soon my friend. The third Congo War is just around the corner.
Then there is Yemen, maybe Ukraine, Iraq will almost certainly spin out of control again in the near future, maybe any african conflict might escalate enough to be fun to follow
Levi Gutierrez
Any kind of happening will suffice, my dad will get mad to the final level, we pack up and start refugeeing in Sweden or something and finally live a good life.
Joshua Taylor
you're still not fucking getting it. even with all the options and advantage a Pilot has over a Ballistic Missiles in terms of flightpath and actively avoiding being hit, the passive advantages of a Ballistic Missile like speed still outweigh any advantages an Aircraft can achieve.
And there is no point in arguing when you think just because an Aircraft from 2018(the F-35) is harder to intercept than a Ballistic Missile from the 60s, because it just proves my point that you can't grasp the simple fact that Ballistic Missiles are inherently more difficult to intercept.
We already learned that the Tochka is 1.3 Mach faster than the newest Patriot Missiles, but modern Ballistic Missiles travel at Mach 20+
To put this in perspective, the Targetting Radar of a Patriot System has a range of about 100km, which means it has 20 seconds to detect, target, launch and intercept a modern Ballistic Missile.
Meanwhile a Fighter travelling at Mach 2 would give the System ten times that much time to react.
Cmon man, youre a jew. Just walk around wall street with kippah and speak some hebrew. Somebody will give you a decent job to kickstart your goyim robbing career
Levi Bell
>refugeeing in Sweden wallahi our wooden shoes will give you no mercy TAKBIR
Acording to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that Su-22 should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The Su-22 , of course flies anyways. Because Su-22 don't care what humans think is impossible.
>whiter than you Moshe Oh come man, Im a Yid too but let's admit it, we're basically lighter toned Smites with European admixture, we're not even wh*toids
S. #Syria: @syria_map showing #ISIS progressively withdrew from villages taken days ago from Rebels (almost back to old front in Ain Dhakar) while all attacks on Tell Jumou & Jalin (E. front) failed.
But it's true in terms of coverage area and reaction time, user. Patriot has to be employed in a special way to defeat ballistic targets.
Landon Bennett
yeah whatever m8, I guess it's just logical that though SAM systems needed major upgrades and reworks to effectively target Ballistic Missiles, they are still easier to intercept than the Aircraft that didn't require those measures.
Lets all ignore the fact that a Patriot Warhead designed to target Ballistic Missiles is far more expensive than one targetting Aircraft, because you know, a Pilot can do all kinds of crazy shit in the 2.1 seconds it takes for a SAM missile to reach him and his aircraft.
suck on a turd you dense idiot.
Easton Stewart
>blonde and white, Bad news for you Shlomo, but that makes moving to europe as immigrant almost impossible. If you are also educated, somewhat civilized and willing to integrate than its a complete no-no.
Evan Wood
>B-B-But an Aircraft can't be intercepted if it doesn't even fly into range of the SAM System!!! >CHECKMATE BALLISTICFAGS
Adrian Cooper
bring beta israel qts
Ethan Wilson
>but modern Ballistic Missiles travel at Mach 20+ the terminal velocity is mainly a function of the range. SRBM/MRBM warheads won't go that fast, even with a surpressed trajectory
the time to react is more than long enough and the speed of the object you're trying to hit is insignificant if it follows a ballistic trajectory. Every larger nation has weapons capable of hitting sattelites (RM161 SM3, PL19 Nudol and the chinks got some modified version of their HQ19), shit on a ballistic trajectory is childs play compared to that
Isaac White
>even with all the options and advantage a Pilot has over a Ballistic Missiles in terms of flightpath and actively avoiding being hit, the passive advantages of a Ballistic Missile like speed still outweigh any advantages an Aircraft can achieve. Oh? So you don't think not-showing-up isn't an advantage over the ballistic missile? The plane can just fuck off or launch standoff weapons after popping up from NOE and there's nothing the Patriot can do about it. Meanwhile the ballistic missile will keep flying directly at its target, highly visible and interceptable by modern systems, unless saturated by many missiles. >because it just proves my point that you can't grasp the simple fact that Ballistic Missiles are inherently more difficult to intercept. Intercept doing what? Do you think planes just gain altitude and fly directly towards their target with no concerns over anything? Is that your argument at its core? You just don't understand aerial combat at all? Or do you just frame the situation as the plane acting as a missile itself, instead of a plane? >To put this in perspective, the Targetting Radar of a Patriot System has a range of about 100km, which means it has 20 seconds to detect, target, launch and intercept a modern Ballistic Missile. And that can be done automatically. >Meanwhile a Fighter travelling at Mach 2 would give the System ten times that much time to react. And the plane is not going to be detected or tracked from that range because it doesn't follow a ballistic trajectory.
Kayden Cruz
All I need is for my dad to snap really, then we fly somewhere nice and start living a good life.
Kayden Bell
>Patriot Warhead designed to target Ballistic Missiles is far more expensive than one targetting Aircraft, because you know, a Pilot can do all kinds of crazy shit in the 2.1 seconds it takes for a SAM missile to reach him and his aircraft.
point one is just ridiculous. it's business standard everywhere that aditional costs due to unforeseen obstacles will be charged on top and the state will pay, no matter if infrastructure project or armaments. your collage does not replace an argument (especially since its flawed. (example: helmets actually were an issue that had to be solved as pilots were rendered unconscious due to alck of oxygen)) if the missile can maneuvre like a plane can it's trajectory is not predictable and not easily targetable, especially if it can alter its trajectory in response to incoming anti ballistic missiles. also you should gain awareness that stealth only works against high frequency radars.
Ethan Wilson
>barring foreign involvement what exactly do you think has been going on all these years?
Oliver Ward
Wow, you really think that you are intelligent and special human being. You are just being complete fucking retard, you think that you know something about you have no fucking clue.
Plane can and should be taking pre-emptive maneuvers to even avoid detection, wich is first point that the ballistic missile is not capable of doing. Secondly, using intelligence collected to avoid enemy AA zones and maintaining possibly safe distance (dependent on mission type and risk assesment.) Thirdly, plane can when intercepting AA missile (or lock) is detected employ jamming, aluminium chaff, try to intercept the intercepting missile. Or just do evading maneuvers, changing altitude is very effective. Missile, when it turns loses it's momentum, speed and range very quickly.
These are all means that pilot and aircraft can take, all of these are in itself more efficient ways to avoid being hit than the speed in ballistic missile.
Jose Green
>The Su-22 , of course flies anyways. BECAUSE IT HAS AN AL TWENTYONE F-3 TURBOJET ENGINE BUILD BY THE GLORIOUS ARKHIP LYULKA SOVIET DESIGN BUREAU
I mean, your fat ass also has a lot of problems with moving in any given direction, but once someone gives you a good kick even you might be propelled forwards at a reasonable speed.
Its the same principle, only that the SU-22 does it with style and you not, reverse-austria
Luis Kelly
I mean like major foreign involvement against him
Nathaniel Sullivan
these are all measures a Pilot has to make in order not to be taken out of the air like a fat turkey, doesn't change the fact that a Ballistic Missiles needs none of those things and still be more difficult to intercept.
Aaron Hughes
Where do you think the SAA will go next? USA position south, Turkey position North or direct for teh Kurds?
>The Syrian Arab Army, Fourth Division and the Jerusalem Brigade control dozens of dunums (?) and blocks of the Libyan company (??) west of Jileen after violating the fortifications and eliminating many of the terrorists. twitter.com/alqudsbrigade11/status/1021806092014313472
>make a deal with Al-Tanf >then head up to Idlib >talk to the Kurds
Isaac Taylor
Oh ye house of Israel, have you offered me sacrifices for 40 years in the wilderness?
Parker Wood
Idlib, Jisr al-shughur.
John Rodriguez
How WOULD they go after those positions exactly?
As long as the US remains in either position they're not getting those back. Turkey might be more easily cucked, but then again, this is Erdogan. He hasn't yet pulled back from anywhere he's not supposed to be.
