Why did Europeans destroy nearly all of Africa's historical architecture? Wasn't it enough to defeat the people and take their resources? Why destroy the history of hundreds of ethnic groups?
>Pic related
Apparently this wall was even longer than the Great Wall of China
How can you destroy something that never existed?
I guess cultural marxism isn't bad when practicized to other ethnicities
What exactly am I looking like here? You give off a retard vibe saying that it's longer than the Great Wall of China, especially considering that what I'm looking at appears to be a city, while the Great Wall spanned an entire country (a fucking massive one at that).
Are you one of those Sub-Saharans appropriating northern African culture?
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It's not a-fucking-parently, the artwork (and tf can you discern in reality from a random artwork) clearly doesn't look like it's nearly as long as the Great Wall of China. Also good hypothetical city architect, you shit all over the majority of your city's land mass, to surround some mosque looking who-gives-af with some trees. To the awe inspiring result of who gives a fuck. Ass-tons of city states have existed in history. This one doesn't even look that at all impressive.
>it's your fault we're shit we didun du nuffin
Stop shitting up Earth.
Hurtful user
Literally a few seconds of research would have prevented you from looking like a moron
>Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops”
theguardian.com
West Africa. This is why people think Americans don't know shit about geography
None of what you said is true user, IDK where you get this stuff from
Funny a brit says this when it was specifically the British that destroyed this ancient wonder
BENIN :DDD
I got it from that pic of the Forested TemplePalace of the Eternal Dindu you posted, brah. You mad I don't like it? I don't like it much.
The fall of Wakanda was a loss for humanity.
Must've been a pretty shitty wall to get destroyed so easily, huh?
Because it was made of wood and mud bricks.
Mud huts don't hold up to the test of time
>Dig long trench
>Pile excavated dirt up on one side
>Take 800 years
500 year later
Whity destroyed muh dirt pile!
I think the defender's strategy in event of invasion, was probably to release half of the city's population to the enemy siege, and then hold out and let the released niggers serve as a biological weapon that ruins the invader's home country.
I don't care if you like it, that has nothing to do with my question
The Great Wall of China can easily be destroyed and falls apart as well. The Wall of Benin was more complex than you give it credit for.
There are large mosques from the 13th century made of mud that still standing today
Thats the European strategy actually :^) they employed it against the Natives in Mexico and South America
>roleplaying as a retarded nigger
y tho
I didn't know there was historical architecture in Africa before Europeans got there. Question: Why hasn't Africa rebuilt it since? European cities rebuilt after all its wars, US cities rebuilt after the civil war.
>The Great Wall of China can easily be destroyed
Nigga are you serious
>Why did Europeans destroy nearly all of Africa's historical architecture?
Why did africans destroy nearly all Europeans architecture in Africa?
>pic related
The attacks by the Europeans were too extensive. The people were left too impoverished, and unlike in Europe and America, no one was seeking to trade with them. Why bother trading when you've taken everything.
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No user, you misread. He said that once released, these people ruined the enemies countries, not brought medicine, schools, roads, civilization and in some cases, written language and the wheel.
Are you? Its literally falling apart as we speak. Dynamite can easily tear it apart.
You mean AFTER The Europeans did their thing? Really?
It wuz jus mud...it rained that tuesday before the fotoshoot, and it all washed away...
>nigger tears hear...
Why did africans destroy all the western architecture in Detroit?
Those stupid niggers should have BUILT BRIDGES instead of racist ass WALLS.
Because what little they built took them years and they seem to have lost the ability to even build basic bridges and multistory houses over time. It's sad, you can just look at the buildings the colonials left behind when they evacuated and see how poorly maintained they were to see the uselessness of niggers in africa.
Subsaharan africans never built a two story building.
WUZ
The Guardian article seems to be based on Wikipedia's bullshit.
en.m.wikipedia.org
> The combined length of the walls, many of which were outside the city, was over 16,000 kilometres
Then later:
> They extend for some 160 km in all
Some ape added on two orders of magnitude in the earlier paragraph and made a preposterous error. The Graniaud ran with the error, because Wakanda Forever is a British value now.
Lmao this is an insult to the people you’re defending. Are you unironically asserting that whitey btfo out of Africans so hard that they were knocked back even before the Stone Age, unable to ever advance further than that? If that’s they case, how is it whiteys problem to advance further if they can’t do it on their own?
Why, as a general rule, is every thread on here total bs?
Haha yeah the British even destroyed the rubble too! Pounded all evidence into dust they did! Not a single brick from that wall exists anywhere. Not a one!
Looks like it was actually designed and built by Arabs. Sub Saharan Africans built literally nothing. No written language. No lasting structures. No art work. No innovations. Nothing.
Why build bridges when you can charge other niggers money to ferry them across chasms with a shitty rope?
A 17th century bridge built by the Portugese in Ethiopia was destroyed during ww2 and since then charitable whities have built several bridges across the river, but they kept being stolen by the niggers who were charging for rope crossings.
fp only post, /thread
*smacks lips*
That Guardian article is some next level we wuz revisionist shit. The way Benin is embellished, the weak 1972 Guinness World record reference, how the nigger tries to make contemporary London look worse. Holy shit they're desperate
Europeans enslaved, infected and massacred the native populations in South America. They raped the women and did their best to destroy the culture.
>medicine
for the diseases they brought. Meanwhile, Africans had been performing successfully C-sections for generations before the Europeans
>schools
literal centuries later, exclusively for whites at first, and basically indoctrination camps for natives
>roads
Are you serious?
>civilization
Europeans are possible the most bloodthirsty and savage race in the world
>even before the stone age
relax. But yes, when entire countries organize to rape a group of people, especially a bloodthirsty race such as Europeans, its possible. Ask the Native Americans. Besides, its not like they have stopped. They continuously steal and bully.
Sounds more like you have no response at all user
Is there a genetic legacy of bleaching? If so, what regions, and average euro admixture?
>it’s possible
See it’s only possible if you do it protohumans like African blacks or Injuns. The Chinese had been utterly subjugated multiple times but somehow could figure out how to build a wall afterwards. The English were subjugated and enslaved, as were the Germans, the French, Slavs, Meds, even the Arabs managed to recover. Nope, not Africans or mestizos though. Literally incapable of rebuilding because they weren’t really capable in the first place. That fucking wall you’re so assmad about was literally a fuckin ditch with the excavated dirt tossed on the enemy side and you’re over here acting like niggers were so btfod they can’t even dig a hole any more.
Checked and keked
>Europeans are possible the most bloodthirsty and savage race in the world
You are lost. You cannot be saved without serious changes to your mind, you're too cucked beyond belief. If you want to live like a mindlessly rutting, raping, savage cow then go to Africa and live among the tribes there, die aged 50 with no teeth and enjoy being so above us violent bloodthirsty Euro and European descendants. Let me know how that works out.
The Europeans repeatedly blasted each other into the dirt and they always grew back stronger. They had to learn future planning, record keeping, agriculture and other long term strategies for survival, whereas feral nigs just hunted food whenever it roamed past, had little to plan ahead for and thus never surpassed basic animals themselves. Face it, if these subhumans you're defending so cuckedly were half as intelligent as you suppose they'd have recovered by now, especially in places like Haiti, Liberia, Zimbabwe etc where they literally control everything not only at the level they had before whites came, but with all the white technology and infrastructure they left behind. Only they let it crumble into dust and reverted to living like savages, as if you'd prepared a warm, stocked house and let a bunch of chimps into it expecting them to settle in nicely.
>for the diseases they brought.
Are you suggesting that Africans have not benefited from European medicine? Because their population growth says otherwise
>Africans had been performing successfully C-sections for generations before the Europeans
You realize that c-sections date back to the bronze age. Where is your evidence that Africans were pioneers of this technique?
>basically indoctrination camps for natives
Wah! Whitey won't learn us 'bout black magiks 'cause dey afraid we will shoot lightening at dem!
>Are you serious?
Yes European roads are different from foot and animal paths and require engineering and construction techniques Africans did not have.
>Europeans are possible the most bloodthirsty and savage race in the world
Are you serious?
>Longer than they great wall of China which spans across most of the historic mongol/china border
>Only surrounds a single average size city
Are you really this stupid or just a really good troll?
8/10 on the larp if that's the case
Fucking lol really? What happened in Europe and China is fucking pebbles compared to Africa and America. Tell me, which of these countries rebuilt their country from scratch during the midst of their subjugation? All rebuilding comes after being left alone and allowed to trade, none of which has occurred in Africa, yet still some countries are still improving. What a silly argument, you must have got your history from Stormfront rants
This is nonsense. Europe was many standard deviations wealthier than Africa long before colonialism.
>All rebuilding comes after being left alone
Being left alone in the first place comes after stopping the threat yourself. Do you think the Persians or Abbasids would have treated Europeans any differently if they had been successful?
>Allowed to trade
The entire colonial era started because Muslims didn't allow Europe to trade and blocked Europe off from trade with the rest of Asia.
If it wasn't obvious: the Guardian article is full of shit, poorly researched, and wildly misleading with its cherry picked bullshit factoids
Your OP is even more full of shit
Ignorance: The post. Europeans have killed and subjugated more people than any other class of people. That's a fact. Everything else you said is either Europeans propaganda or direct results of Europeans interference.
I was specifically referring to the MesoAmericans. Obviously, European medicine eventually outpaced African medicine. They weren't the ones being isolated and killed by a foreign power that spent more time on weapons and killing than anyone else.
>You realize that c-sections date back to the bronze age. Where is your evidence that Africans were pioneers of this technique?
It wasn't something casually done, and women didn't usually survive the surgery, In England, women who underwent the surgery had a 85% chance of ending up 6 feet under. Meanwhile a European witnessed a c-section being performed with ease in present-day Uganda during their "scramble for Africa".
>Wah! Whitey won't learn us 'bout black magiks 'cause dey afraid we will shoot lightening at dem!
Literally said nothing here
>Yes European roads are different from foot and animal paths and require engineering and construction techniques Africans did not have.
Literal ignorance. Roads in West Africa were not only well laid out but even decorated, while Europeans decorated their streets with literal shit and garbage. Africans in Benin scrubbed their homes till it shined while white people threw literal waste in the streets.
>Are you serious?
Any brutality anyone else has done, Europeans have done before and worse.
>Apparently this wall was even longer than the Great Wall of China
>>Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops”
There's no fucking way that amount of material is just removed later. People have been stealing stones from monuments forever, and yet the Colloseum still stands, with many stolen stones found nearby in other buildings.
>-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace
You are trying to push a steaming log onto our faces if you want to sell the idea this entire city has been vanished somehow.
Whatever it was, this size ain't it.
1. Arab Muds were responsible for most of the destruction of Niggerland's history/architecture/historical sites/etc.
2. There was barely anything to destroy. Niggers cannot into sophisticated wall tech.
3. That pic is definitely Mud architecture. Not nigger.
4. Even Muds destroyed some of their own shit because it conflicts with Islime, or some show of barbaric savagery to threaten people to convert.
5. North Africa /= rest of Africa. Niggers do not possess the kind of intelligence, skill, and technology that the North Africans did. And some of the architectural knowledge the North Africans possess came from travel and trading with the West.
this plane was developed in wakandia nearly 200 years before wright brothers, white people stole it
Really made me think. Thanks Guardian.
>Being left alone in the first place comes after stopping the threat yourself. Do you think the Persians or Abbasids would have treated Europeans any differently if they had been successful?
Did you just compare the Persians to 19th-21th century Europeans? They don't compare, technology or economically wise, nor do their methods or goals. Also, fyi, the Nubias managed to fight Rome into overwhelmingly favorable terms while your precious Western Europe got their heads beat in and became "those savages over there".
>The entire colonial era started because Muslims didn't allow Europe to trade and blocked Europe off from trade with the rest of Asia.
The Europeans were in luck that they were in the right place at the right time to invade America. Europeans had still traded enough to gain knowledge from the East, and were in the just right geographical place to travel to the Americas. If not for that, Europeans would have been fucked. They couldn't even travel into Africa and fight native armies there until centuries later.
That wall is a small sized circle user
Ah, yes. The feat of African architectural engineering known as the dung hut.
Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue. Unlike the Colosseum, the architecture of Africa received no respect at all.
You don't have to take my word for it, you're free to research it yourself.
Ignorance: a sequel post
holy shit I didnt know about this.
This is like some Garden of Eden shit, all getting ruined by anglos, again
thanks you fucking vampires
>Literally a few seconds of research
I'm doing some digging and it's all very circular for some reason. A Guinness Book of World Record's cite is literally used everywhere to justify this as if it's a reliable source. The New Scientist article isn't reachable.
History forums express skepticism.
>>Pic related
When people sketched out what the Carthage harbor looked like there was actually something to find, and that was a structure that was razed ON PURPOSE. The entire fucking city was levelled and demolished and the fields sown with salt deliberately to make it inhabitable and to remove all trace and we found it anyway and there are good maps of it.
There's this common thread of making grand claims about how superior shit in Africa was, as if it's a goddamn consolation prize, among lefty history writers. All based on very little science and a lot of imaginative sketching of course.
I'm not saying the city didn't exist at all, clearly it did, we have quotes from European visitors of the 1600s who were impressed. But from this the supporters of this bullshit want to derive that it was just sooooo superior to anything in the west at the time - alarm bells should start sounding.
Benevolent racism from the left is insufferable.
>We didn't take care of our shit
>Definitely the white man's fault again though
Fucking niggers.
Shill invasion they are scared. People are becoming more and more racially conscious every day and they are in damage control mode. They can never destroy what the creator intended, those who fight nature were born to suffer
Mud huts shouldn't be categorized as "architecture"
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the jungles.
Meso Americans were still in the stone age, but sure they had equal or better medicine than Europeans
>European medicine eventually outpaced African medicine.
>eventually
>Implying
> In England, women who underwent the surgery had a 85% chance of ending up 6 feet under.
Mortality rate of c-sections in Europe at the time of your Ugandan anecdote was around 1-10%. Also 1 operation is not a trend.
>Literally said nothing here
You claimed European schools were indoctrination centers that forced Western modernity on black kangs so I was mocking you based on this video:
youtube.com
>Did you just compare the Persians to 19th-21th century Europeans?
Yes the Persians tried to colonize Europe. They failed and were beaten back. If they had not been beaten back Europe would have been in the same position as Africans. You claimed that in order to develop they needed to be left alone. I told you that in order to be left alone you have to beat back your enemy.
>The Europeans were in luck that they were in the right place at the right time to invade America.
How was this? what made 1492 the "right" time.
>and were in the just right geographical place to travel to the Americas.
You realize West Africa is closer to the Americas than Europe was right?
>Funny a brit says this when it was specifically the British that destroyed this ancient wonder
Seeing as we have historically been a nation that actually protects ancient structures/artefacts that is very very doubtful. Sure we'll slaughter and genocide but monument destruction? No sweetie, we're ready to nuke Grease over the Elgin Marbles.
Stupid nigger, you picked the wrong nation to slander with that one.
>The Benin Kingdom was "one of the oldest and most highly developed states in the coastal hinterland of West Africa, dating perhaps to the eleventh century CE", until it was annexed by the British Empire in 1897.
thanks for clarification, but the image OP used was for example case, since the walls aren't there anymore.
It still doesn't change the fact that an entire culture/kingdom was wiped out because of Anglos.
Now England is getting wiped out by the same niggers, go figure
So is Canada, America, Germany, Sweden, Ireland, France and everyone else, go figure.
>You don't have to take my word for it, you're free to research it yourself.
I am.
I think we've hit something here. It seems they mean all of this fantastical structure was dirt. Just dirt. That's the reason it could all just disappear, because it's literally washed away with rain when not maintained.
This also means there would be very little to base the claim of how big it was upon. You would need to do LIDAR work over Benin to try to discover the compacted earth beneath the surface to trace ancient earthworks. Such work isn't referenced anywhere, if anything they take pains to point out that no preservation or archaeological work is made.
Quick look at the history and demographics of Benin now shows an Islamic influence. This is important because Islam actively despises history. In Saudi Arabia they literally paved over historical sites to make more tacky hotels. It's the same reason a slightly more intense version (ISIS) actively destroy not just "pagan" idols (Babylon, Palmyra) but also their own fucking historical sites, should they have happened to paint the prophet or his relatives.
WUZ . . .
You claimed that being "allowed" to trade was necessary for advancement, however after Europe was no longer allowed to Trade they continued to advance and did so even faster. The discovery of the Americas had nothing to do with the shit you're spewing.
and with that the thread is over
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We didnt wipe out African nations, you did.
KANGZ
>When people sketched out what the Carthage harbor looked like there was actually something to find,
Small bits of the wall still stands but let's not pretend that more modern people can't be more destructive than ancient people.
>fields sown with salt deliberately to make it inhabitable and to remove all trace and we found it anyway and there are good maps of it.
All of which modern historians question. They don't know if it was literal or symbolic. Besides, it not like Carthage was hidden away from the rest of the world. Until Europeans came around, the city of Benin wasn't known throughout the world. Shit, it still isn't. Its much harder to reconstruct when most history is concentrated in the place that was fucked over.
I didn't say the city was the greatest thing to ever exist, I asked why was it necessary for Europeans to behave the way they did? It was still a great work, as were many other constructs. Now we have ignorant people claiming it never existed.
Your butthurt over the past destroys any hope for development you will have in the future.
>Small bits of the wall still stands but let's not pretend that more modern people can't be more destructive than ancient people.
Your objection doesn't make a lot of sense. The rate of destruction should be linear to western sites unless you contend Africans are inherently more destructive.
Besides the comparison I made has a bigger flaw that I pointed out myself. I assumed when they were talking material they meant something quarried or constructed, not a mud pile.
>All of which modern historians question. They don't know if it was literal or symbolic.
Well that's a load of bullshit since we know the romans literally salted fields. It's just not very effective over time, natural water cycle processes will clear the fields.
They very obviously burned, looted, demolished the city, it's documented contemporarily and visible from the remains.
>Besides, it not like Carthage was hidden away from the rest of the world. Until Europeans came around, the city of Benin wasn't known throughout the world.
Carthage was uninhabited and forgotten and it took work to find it. Was Benin ever not inhabited? It sounds like it was a huge city when it was "destroyed" by the british mid-1800s which sounds like it was pretty fucking obvious where it was and what it looked like. Hell, the supporting documentation for it are all European quotes and sketches.
> I asked why was it necessary for Europeans to behave the way they did?
Do you seriously believe the british could blow up something that allegedly had more material than the great wall of China? Are you insane?
It makes a hell of a lot more sense that it wasn't maintained, and being mud, it simply dissolved. The entire fortification fucking rained away because they BUILT IT IN MUD.
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Looks like minarets in the picture you posted there. If that's the case then like everything else in Africa it was built by somebody else. It was destroyed not by Europeans but simply because it was built in an area surrounded by nogs.
>t. reddit so᠌yboy spacing
Nonargument.
>Why did Europeans destroy nearly all of Africa's historical architecture?
The Bantu weren't Europeans. The Bantu did in Africa what the Beakers(ancestors of people like me and most Americans) did to the filthy brown-eyed, mediteranian-skinned, shitbags who built Stonehenge and Silbury Hill in England.
>Meso Americans were still in the stone age, but sure they had equal or better medicine than Europeans
Not for any fault of their own. Also I'm saying that the medicine Europeans brought along was just to respond to the disease Europeans brought.
>Mortality rate of c-sections in Europe at the time of your Ugandan anecdote was around 1-10%. Also 1 operation is not a trend.
Just because the Europeans found out about it in 1879 doesn't mean thats the first time it happened. Based on the procedure described, the surgery wasn't discovered overnight. In 1865 the mortality rate was 85%, when likely healers in Uganda had been doing it correctly for a good while.
>You claimed European schools were indoctrination centers that forced Western modernity on black kangs so I was mocking you based on this video:
You just repeated what I said, which is you did not say anything at all. Posting a meme video is just that, memeing,
>es the Persians tried to colonize Europe. They failed and were beaten back. If they had not been beaten back Europe would have been in the same position as Africans. You claimed that in order to develop they needed to be left alone. I told you that in order to be left alone you have to beat back your enemy.
And I'm saying they don't compare. Persians were not magnitudes ahead technologically wise to the Western Europeans. They didn't have the methods Europeans have now or in the 19th century either.
>How was this? what made 1492 the "right" time.
Proper ships were developed which allowed for much better trade, guns and other tech built up from discoveries in the East. A need for space and goods to gain the attention of the East.
>You realize West Africa is closer to the Americas than Europe was right?
Ocean Currents are more favorable is what I mean. Besides, the European continent is a much more hospitable land than much of Sub-saharan Africa.
Literally destroyed structures and stole artifacts. The only things the Brits protect at things they can make money off of. A shit empire of shit people being shit. No surprises here.
Oh please
They didn’t. And they didn’t “take their resources”, they developed them unlike the niggers who had been there for thousand of years and just like te Chinese are doing now
You're right, it's not an argument at all. I'm just trying to help you here newfriend, people won't bother to engage you, much less read your shitty wall of text and argue with you, until you can figure out how to type like an educated person. If you want to type in niggerspeak, use shitty acronyms like a child, abstain from punctuation, or -god forbid- use reddit spacing... Well you know what to do.
>ctrl F "baghdad"
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nu/pol/ is so fucking terrible. All of you should gas yourselves.
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