/Catholicism General/ - Pastor Anderson BTFO Edition

Steven Anderson on race-mixing
youtube.com/watch?v=oz3ccSJtJXA
"Interracial Marriage" Baptist Preaching (independent, fundamental, KJV sermon)
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"Races" are a Fraud
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Even in 1500 the Church problem was homosexuality

Justification is by faith alone

James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

are you implying that you have to actually be a christian in the world and not just in your head???

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BASED
youtu.be/toKIxkgnAV4

That is actually retarded

How yall feel about Christian Deism?

deism means you know God exist but not which one . Christians know that Gods exist the father and the son

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Nice meme. Do you really think Catholics are following the Bible as God intended?

Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

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I feel you. The Founding Fathers were all Deist.

That’s Agnosticism. Deism is about unveiling God’s through the study of natural law.

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Apart from works of the law; not all works. If Noah didn't build the ark and merely had protestant mental faith he would've drowned.

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The bible warned you for paul , not for james maybe james is just more clear?

>even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17

>Jesus was a real person, died and came back to life
>Jesus had students, the 12 disciples
>the disciples traveled the world to spread the teachings of Jesus
>the disciples talked to people and taught people
>the students of the disciples founded churches and had their students
>the students had their students and so on for centuries
Anderson:"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK TRADITION THATS ALL HERESY I ONLY NEED THE BIBLE THE TRADITION IS HERESY KJV ONLY YOU HEAR ME FAGGOTS THE TRUE BIBLE IS IN ENGLISH I DONT KNOW WHAT SYMBOLISM IS AGAGAGR

Faith and Works

(Genesis 15:1-7; Romans 4:1-12; Galatians 3:1-9; Hebrews 11:8-19)

14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

>satanic hexagram
I don't get it. Water has a hexagonal molecular structure. Is water satanic then?

I hate these kikes that talk a bunch of truths to get people's attention to push whatever subversive agenda that's more important to them atm. They remind me of those big pharma commercials ..this will fix this problem but here's a list of all the irreparable damage we'll cause to fix your one problem

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Something becomes satanic if its against God , is water against God ? Star shaped religious symbols are occult and against God

>muh misrepresenting symbols
oh no the pope = devil
he has upside down cross

or maybe it's a symbol of peter being hung upside down...

showing random symbols without context is dumb

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Did God command you to have symbols No ? Then any religious symbol is satanic in nature

Numbers 21:6-9
6 The Lord sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 So the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and you; intercede with the Lord, that He may remove the serpents from us.” And Moses interceded for the people. 8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “[a]Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live.” 9 And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.

What has that have anything to do with a symbol ? dumbass . Look at the Jews they have the star of david its not to be found in the bible . The jews are no longer Gods chosen

>25Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 27Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

God clearly doesn't care about symbols because God told Moses to make a statue of a bronze snake.

Protestantism is for crude people. Catholicism is a religion of grace, proportions and harmony

>God told

yes, Protestantism is like the retarded deformed cousin of Catholicism

The mother of harlots bears rotten fruit , who knew ?

This.
Literally who? Protestants aren't represented by this guy. How about trying to argue doctrine or dogma instead of finding some weirdo on the internet to make you feel better about your paedophilic death cult?

There is absolutely no way the Catholic church of Satan is unaware an inverted cross symbolises anti Christian sentiment. Stop pretending.

Better directory: ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm/

Catholicism is for illiterate people who must be wooed by earthly materialism. You mistake awe at architecture, music and paintings for faith. If that's all your hollow church has to offer you, seek more.
Nice argument, care to elaborate?
The Catholic church is almost nothing alike Christianity as described in the Bible. Catholicism is to Christianity what Talmudic Jews are to ancient Judaism.

You both use religion as a means to make billions, you both abuse children and allow abusers to go unpunished. You both make mockeries of Christ. At the very least, Jews are not idolatrous.

Holy shit fuck this guy.

Oh, and most important point of all, Catholics and Talmudic Jews alike have a book they must study that tells them exactly what the Bible means. Meaning, the Bible and Torah are not to be trusted over the interpretations written by Rabbis and Catholic priests.

Meaning, they both get to make up rules as they go along, twist words, and create loopholes which allow them to do evil. The arrogance is astonishing.

What are you talking about?
Trusting your own special interpretation of the Bible is nonsense. It is the reason why there are 1000's of different protestant sects. It is better to use science and reason and the council of the doctors of the Church to study exactly what the Bible means.

>satanic hexagram

I like Anderson for his conviction and oddball charisma but he doesn't paint a nice picture of baptists.

Read 'The Everlasting Man' if you unironically believe any of this and aren't just a Catholic trying to meme-bump the thread like I think you are.

>twf trips ignored

You seriously believe that protestants don't do this? You realise there isn't even cohesion within the Catholic church, right?

I'm genuinely confused about why Catholics don't read your Bible?

Sure, maybe you don't read Latin so can't read what you have in Church, but why not pick up an English book and, you know, read the thing? Can any Catholic here honestly say they have read it cover to cover? Why rely on someone else to read it for you? At least if you've read it, you can tell if the guy at the alter is a false prophet or not. If he's telling you things that contradict the words of Christ, wouldn't you want to know?

Or does that magically not happen for some reason.

Church elders x thought that, and Church elder z thought this .
>His teachings on the pre-existence of souls were rejected by the Church.[16

This is the same guy who thought genesis was not literal anymore , and this got accepted

Cherry picking the Church elders

For who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? And that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? And who is so foolish as to suppose that God, after the manner of a husbandman, planted a paradise in Eden, towards the east, and placed in it a tree of life, visible and palpable, so that one tasting of the fruit by the bodily teeth obtained life? And again, that one was a partaker of good and evil by masticating what was taken from the tree? And if God is said to walk in the paradise in the evening, and Adam to hide himself under a tree, I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance, and not literally. ”
— Origen, On the First Principles IV

I agree. The majority of "Catholics" these days don't read scripture, don't frequent the sacraments and don't even go to mass bar for Christmas or Easter.

The Church is in a sorry state right now. But just because Catholics are impious, it isn't an indictment of Catholicism itself. There are plenty of bad baptized protestants who don't read the Bible or follow God's commandments.

There are Catholics who do follow the Church and read scripture.

We have the Dogma. So even if there is no agreement on the particulars, the fundementals of the faith are in universal agreement.

All Catholics believe in the Sacrements, Papal primacy, and the nature of Christ. Meanwhile, there are protestants that even reject the Trinity and the afterlife. It is a mess.

>there are protestants that even reject the Trinity and the afterlife. It is a mess.

I reject everything comming from the Catholic church

The Purpose of Jesus' Parables

(Mark 4:10-12)

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

You see Jesus never saith you need someone else to read his word let alone some interpretations from people 300 years after Christ

dumbass the ecclesia dei commission said you are perfectly allowed to go to sspx masses and even contribute financially to their offering

Where in the Bible does it tell you to have a Pope?

THOU ART PETER

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Care to elaborate your argument?

Jesus handed the keys of Heaven to the apostle Simon Cephas (Peter).

>Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
>Matt 16:18

He entrusted Peter with leading the Church. And Peter went to Rome, the center of civilization, and led all Christians as the Bishop of Rome. And when Peter died, he transferred this authority over to his friend Linus. And when Linus died, he transferred his authority to Anacletus, who transferred this authority to Clement I, who transferred this authority down an unbroken line, all the way to the current day, where the authority is held by the current Pontiff. Pope Francis holds the keys of Peter, given to him, though indirectly, from Christ himself.

Peter was given the keys to the kingdom. The tradition that emerged from this (we have no reason to believe this didn't happen naturally through consensus) was that he was the Earthly head of the Church and that this role would always have successors after him. Early Church history is kind of a black hole but I see no reason to be suspicious of the office of pope.

According the bible Paul was the pope of the gentiles

Galatians 2

> 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

Paul Confronts Peter

>11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Do you reject the Bible too? The Bible, along with the idea of the Bible being infallible comes from the Catholic Church.

I mean, if the Church doesn't have the Charism of infallibility, then what is the Bible? Just a book.

If you can't trust the Church fathers and the Magesterium to interpret the Bible for you, then why do you trust the four evangelists to accurately record Christ's ministry, considering they were mere men as well? How can you trust Paul of Tarsus and the other Epistle writers to accurately record the beliefs of early Christianity, considering they were mere men?

Because the evangelists, Paul, and the other authors of the New Testament were the Church, and the Church has the Holy Spirit with her.

>Do you reject the Bible too? The Bible, along with the idea of the Bible being infallible comes from the Catholic Church.

Hilarious idea , its not like the bible was already compiled after revelation was written , everybody at that time was retarded , it needed to happen 300 years after Christ

Sometimes popes are mistaken on an issue and need to be corrected. Our current pope is a cuck and should be corrected on many issues. Papal infallibility only comes into play if the pope invokes that power "ex cathedra" (google it) not everything the pope says is infallible

scripture+tradition. Really scripture is another part of the early church tradition. Viewing it in a vacuum makes no sense.

>satanists whining about Christians.
Wow, cool thread.

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Peter was wrong about circumcision. The Holy Spirit prevailed in that argument and the Church sided with Paul. Peter, or any Pope for that matter, doesn't have to be right all the time. It is the Church as a whole that the Holy Spirit is with.

He actually read the Bible, which was forbidden by the Catholic Church before his time.

>If you can't trust the Church fathers and the Magesterium to interpret the Bible for you, then why do you trust the four evangelists to accurately record Christ's ministry, considering they were mere men as well? How can you trust Paul of Tarsus and the other Epistle writers to accurately record the beliefs of early Christianity, considering they were mere men?

This is saying the same why believe in God ? i believe that its scripture because i believe Jesus words in mathew mark luke and john . All the rest is fables of man

That's my point. The Bible is a product of years of Church tradition. You can't separate the Bible from tradition.

Not really the point paul is the pope of the gentiles , he commands , not peter

what a terrible interpretation

how did he get BTFO again?

If you think you require works, your faith is false
>22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
>23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who have faith that their works are what save them have no faith in the words of Christ.
>21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

>using kike translations
Great strategy.

protestantism/baptistism is not biblical, you rocks for brains.

1 Peter 3:20-21
James 2:24
John 20:23
Matthew 16:18-19
John 6:51-61
Exodus 25:18
Numbers 21:6-9
Revelation 5:8

Why does the Catholic church not follow the Bible? As you say, they compiled it and say it is infallible, yet do not follow its clear teachings.

Great example of this is the rampant homosexuality in the Vatican; according to Romans 1, these men are reprobate, yet seem to not be excommunicated. Or the child-fuckers in the church -- instead of being excommunicated and handed over to the authorities, as the Bible requires, these men are just shuffled amongst the parishes. It's disgusting.

>Source: some dude hundreds of years after peter died who built shit out of gold while shitting on the poor
Based.

But its not tradition its scripture , The Church elders is tradition and that is horse crap at least you did not add that to scripture . the holyghost compiled the bible after revelation , not 300 years after Christ .

St Matthew, St Mark, St Luke and St John were inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Church fathers who agreed on the Canonical status of the four Gospels were inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is with the Church, and it gave them the Charism of infallibility. Otherwise, how can the Bible be infallible?

How can a fallible hierarchy produce something fallible?

>my religion which mocks, betrays, and insults the words of Christ in our own holy book is the true church

Catholics first, then kikes.

king james is kike

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Christ was a whore that died for the glory of Allah.

Cum on the bible. Cum on the holy book. Cum in the manger.

disgusting yes, but satan will attack the true church the hardest. Catholicism is struggling but will recover. Plenty of protestants and other religions have scandals but it's not news because they're much smaller in size than the Catholic Church

Oke smart guy what happens in the second resurrection ? if your faith failed you , you stop being a Christian and you can still be saved by your works

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Except he wasn’t, and his only involvement in the translation was funding it at the insistence of his subjects. He didn’t read nor write a single word of the fucking thing. He didn’t even want to make it but was out under pressure to do so.

Chapter and verse to support your idiocy, christlet.

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>How can a fallible hierarchy produce something fallible?

What is that for argument ? God cannot command satan to bring forth a infallible bible ?

The pharisees were corrupt but there scripture was not , its the only thing Jesus trusted

Are you fucking retarded? Christ spent most of his time mocking and oharisees on the Torah they claimed to follow. They were Talmudic bastards.

Trying to use examples of certain men in the Church as an indictment of the Church is a tired fallacy. Nobody expects every person within the Church to be perfect. It is the teachings that are perfect. Not the people.

What do you believe? I bet I can find some unscrupulous, wicked people that also claim to share your belief. Is that an indictment of your beliefs? No. That is ridiculous. Like I said a fallacy.

Not that those people should go unacknowledged. So many Catholics, even in the clergy believe in pro homosexuality, pedophilia, abortion, communism, etc. They should not be considered Catholics, because they are going against the teachings of the Church.

Then what is your point i quoted from the king james

nobody ever told anyone to write the new testament.
the new testament doesn't say scripture alone

You are saying the Church is corrupt, but you acknowledge that the Holy Spirit was with the Church when it wrote and compiled the Bible.

Or do you not consider the four evangelists part of the Church? Did they have some special, exclusive inspiration that no other human had? How can their words be infallible?

>nobody ever told anyone to write the new testament.

Like God did through the holy ghost?

King James Bible
>But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.