Give me a legitimate argument against this Jow Forums

This

You can’t afford it, especially considering the debt of your country is rising at an accelerating rate. Another government program which will be paid for with borrowed money, thus further fucking over future generations of “Americans.”

The special objective specific infallible kind of economics?

the debt is skyrocketing cause cheeto elvis and his cronies think its ok to dump more trillions in the military industrial complex

>social democracy only works in small Scandinavian countries

You know it's actually cheaper for a large country to have a welfare state because of increased buying power and buying at volume.

why should I pay for the healthcare of people who don't work.

Sigh... we don't have borders!

How the fuck can we pay for the health care for the entire world?

Instead of going outside or doing main life stuff to advance real life goals you go on Jow Forums and it sucks you in for hours and hours. You turn into one of three forms a neet forever virgin, cringe extremist/racist/genderist, or a homeless degenerate.

Kill yourself. Sage

the country needs to go one way or the other on healthcare, though.

we currently try to hit some middle road which ends up being the worst of all options, as everyone and their mother tries to make money off the public-pay-for-private-care schtick, then we have still pay for the loonies to get a fucking sex change on medicare; all while paying taxes and our own health insurance.

since scrapping all forms of publicly assisted healthcare is impossible, we should just go hard in the paint and focus on setting up the best possible bureaucracy to handle it, rather than fighting against its existence at all.

this is something where US conservatives fail to pick their battles, when instead of fighting against it happening at all, they could fight to see it happens in the least bungled, best managed way.

At this point either full socialist single payer or full on ancap would be better than the half-assed half measures we got right now.

Tax the Rothschilds!

Just like Obama said before he fucked everything up. Worse care, higher cost.

Yeah I know the answer is to just steal more money from someone.

>cheeto elvis
no one from poland would use this phrase.
stop pretending to be anything other than some butthurt newenglander or brit.

works in homogeneous high IQ countries
the USA is no longer white enough for it and day by day the prospect becomes more unviable

No, it would only benefit the poor.

Im not waiting 6 months to get a serious condition looked at so shiniqua can have "free" healthcare.

We need nationalized healthcare, but only once the Jews, spics, niggers, etc. are all gone

Are these actual legit tweets? How the fuck can that fat sack of lard not afford to pay for it?

As far as state-run healthcare goes, depends on who you are. State ain't a charity, and they more or less want to keep you up and running if you're a good little young healthy tax donkey that loyally supports the current regime. You'll find if it's a fairly quick fix, you'll be in and out in no time and back at 'em. Good donkey.

If you're old or retired or otherwise not a tax donkey or maybe someone who is a dissident of the status quo, perhaps it's not such a good deal for you and you might find the state intentionally dragging its feet, hoping you die while you wait.

>spamming this low-iq bar tender 24/7
Embarrassing tbqhwyfam

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Where will the money come from? Note...tax the rich won't work.

Make Israel Pay for It!™

Sage

She has no plan to pay for it. In her interview with Trevor Noah she explained the plan to pay for it with this simple math: 2 + 4 = 14.

She's a fucking retard.

>treadmill in the background

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OK
if you pay for my share of it and I get free healthcare I'll agree to it

She's using the spic style of punctuation with those exclamation marks. You shoud be speaking english in the US and if you don't, you sure as shit shouldn't be in politics. Sure she's speaking english but only because she can't get away with it otherwise. If she could speak spanish as well as having it in text, then you know she would.

I pay
ENOUGH
taxes already
I would not benefit from medicare
Any change would either be people coming in for expensive emergency room visits and never paying, or socializing healthcare until nobody has to pay (except you know, when i'm paying taxes) and my contributions go up even higher.

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This
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Saged

>unlimited gibbs for the subhuman
>encourage dysgenic breeding practices
>favor the genetically unfit over the successful
ACTIVATE IT

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She's a low IQ, horsefaced communist shitskin.

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Here is one argument for you : I HAVE FUCKING ENOUGH OF PAYING FOR OTHERS.

Half of my pay goes into healthcare and pensions every month, without even counting the state taxes and the 20% VAT on everything.
For what result? Giving free treatment to every shitskin who comes, even if they are illegals? Many third worlders just come for free surgery, then fuck off to their countries too, helped by various NGOs. What's the point of that shit?

Why should I, someone who is never sick and doesn't cost a cent in healthcare, pay the same amount as someone with expensive life treatment and/or surgeries? Why should I pay at all?

On top of having public healthcare, we are also required by law to subscribe to a private healthcare, that we call complementary. Despite having both, I still have to pay full price for anything that has to do with glasses, dental work or hearing aids, ie : the only things I would actually need.

Socialism doesn't work, and needs to be utterly destroyed worldwide.

Agreed. That's an issue with the general method of campaigning on principal, it's impossible to be pragmatic if someone else is willing to lie. Anyone who looks for compromise like improving government delivered services is going to get primaried by someone who says they'll cut it (on the right) or someone who says they'll make it free (on the left).

We're fucked.

i dont need a brown nigger rats help with anything

It doesn't even matter what she is pushing for. You guys really think anyone gives a shit lmao? 99% of people will see the name "Cortez" on a ballot and immediately vote for her. Only white people look at the issues. Niggers and spics don't care.

Oh she does. The plan is for whitey to subsidize the healthcare of obese niggers and mexicans

Da Comrade, Soviet healthcare, best healthcare.

youtube.com/watch?v=xC9WfJBXRkc

Worse than that, that 'middle option' was the Conservative option 20 years before it passed. Obamacare was almost entirely the Gingrich 94 alternative to HillaryCare, and then modified further to the Right to get a compromise passed, mostly according to Massachusetts' Romneycare. And after getting almost everything they wanted, the GOP still burned it down.

Trump stupid is a meme
This bitch commie is stupid as shit.

Nobody would disagree with having nice things. What's up for debate is
1. How she plans on delivering on those promises.
2. If the taxpayers can reliably fund it without collapse.
Of course, low IQ shitskins have diminished frontal lobes, and with them, decreased inhibition, which would otherwise help their retarded asses fathom more than the next fuck and bucket of KFC into the future, so odds are these good ideas are, for right now, bad ideas.
I wouldn't dare to try and have kids if I couldn't confidently afford them. How is this any different?

he spends $5000 a month on mountain dew, mayonnaise, and potato chips

America has a lot of people living in it. Healthcare for everyone means that hospitals will be flooded with low-income, unemployed, homeless people who take up all the time and resources for every doctor's office and hospital. Look no further than Canada (whose population is WAY smaller than ours) and you can see that people need to wait months, or even years, to see a doctor or get a procedure done even if they have the money to pay for healthcare. Basically, more people will be hurt and/or die from everyone having healthcare compared to healthcare being held by those with jobs/money.

He can, but healthcare companies look at his extreme weight and his documented lack of caring about his health and charge him way more than it would normally cost to cover him, because they know that he will have a TON of health problems that they will ultimately be paying for the majority of. This is considered "unfair" and "evil" by niggers and retards.

How's the weather in Ontario?

we just need to balkanize and have de facto ethnostates.

doesn't even have to be 100% ethno. a no-spic, no-nigger, 80-90% white state would be just fine. get a mix of asians, a merit based immigration system that precludes spics and nigs.

i wouldn't mind paying higher taxes for services, if they were going to people who, on average, are worth helping, and were managed by at least somewhat competent administrators.

We have 20 trillion dollars in debt and throwing more state funded artificial demand at the healthcare industry will just drive prices even higher. She's basically saying lets subsidize the healthcare industry even more than we already do.

You want better healthcare? Change health insurance to direct cash pay outs to the patient rather than to the hospital so that the patient will have incentive as a consumer to find the best price.

youtube.com/watch?v=3WnS96NVlMI

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>"How?"
>"WE WILL TAX THE RICH"

>They win and rich people keeps their money off-shore, as the socialists expected
>"WE WILL TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS"

the GOP didn't do fuck all to obamacare.
everything in obamacare is 100% on the dems. every vote from committee to the final reconciliation was 100% dems.

and it isn't even the "middle option" to begin with, it's just a doubling down on the middle option we've had since the fucking '60s where the state pays out the ass for the poor and the elderly, the ones who cost money, with taxes from the regular folks who get fuck all but have to pay for everyone else and themselves.

FUCK LBJ.

what are you talking about goy, before Obamare people couldn't even afford their vital medications

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Ocasio 2020
Cant wait to see this shit happen.

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>"WE WILL TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS"
middle class stop working cause fuck it I can just get gibs like everyone else
>everyone starves
>not real socialism

hospitals are allowed, and with great efficiency, prevent price shopping; not to mention you frequently are unable to look at multiple sources of treatment. you're clearly an urban retard.

The quality of care and especially treatment times which are notoriously awful in places like the UK.
US health system could use some oversight and prices do seem bloated considering that I can go to a private hospital for far cheaper.

When did healthcare start failing?
>Shortly after government got involved.
So how do you think you should about fixing it?
>Add more government.

Every. Time.

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we really need more and cheaper opioids to flood this country and wash out all these degenerate fucks. dragging this out is just harming the economy

How did it go down on Earth-One?

Most people getting addicted to opioids are prescribed to em by doctors for mild pain or no reason at all. You can't blame people for not being redpilled enough to distrust their own doctors.

illegal aliens and fat niggers

Meme flag.....Ding Ding Ding! Hillary Shill detected. Still butthurt? Why don't you go join her.

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Did I miss something? Aren't you already helping the poor with medicaid? Why the fuck would everyone need free healthcare?

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>works in homogeneous high IQ countries
And only short term, and only because you can waste your money on socialist policies and welfare because the US has taken over protection so you don't need to divert major funds to defense.

that explains why the NHS is so fucking awful, though.

>I didn't know opioids were addictive
pull the other one user

sure.. once you allow all those doctor immigrants from mexico in. that seems to be one of the biggest bottlenecks in this happening.

someone will have to pay... not me, or my overburdened body, but someone.

>medicare for all
>overall lower costs per capita
>companies save cost of paying for health insurance, leading to higher profits (which may possibly be passed down to employees)
>no more medical bankruptcies or having to borrow money from (((lenders))) to pay for medical costs
>private healthcare is still an option for those who can pay for it

But it still won't work, because Americans are so fucking retarded and their government is so fucking corrupt, that they can't get anything right. But in actual first world countries there is no question that expanding medicare is a good idea. Case in point: The American government spends more per capita on healthcare than developed countries with universal healthcare and yet Americans get less.

Another example: Obamacare was touted as "socialist" by retarded Republicans. But after it was passed, insurance companies saw their stocks rise. There was no public option included, either. It was a right-wing healthcare reform that was a half-measure and padded the pockets of the health insurance industry.

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Don't forget about all those skilled workers from Haiti and Somalia.

>when you dont know economics and you think you can make a free market with inelastic goods people need to live, the post

This. And I don't get anything in return for it, not even a blow from that brown bitch.

Even Adam Smith stated that if individual greed was greater than desire for stable society, that society would fail.

Notice how the video format they choose for these libtard videos is the same they use for short attention span autists?
So sad.

>Protip: you can't
Protip: she can't

We lost the stable society part in 1965.

>Give me a legitimate argument against this Jow Forums.
Non-Whites don't belong in White countries.

Communism is Jewish and anti-White.

Right when the government starting handing over all the industry set up the government in WWII into private hands.

yep
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html
white European migrants are a net benefit, third worlders are net drain. Britain continues to import its demise despite high unemployment in Spain, Greece, Italy and eastern Europe

i want to cum in her mouth
t. the jews

There is too many of you.

>its greedy to not want to have your money taken away by the government at gunpoint, goy.

Anarchist societies don't work.

>all the industry set up by the government in WWII

Government didn't make anything, government doesn't make anything.

They pay people to make things you dolt. Who do you think bought all the equipment for the war? How did NASA get to the moon?

>We must have taxes to have society

>Healthcare
>inelastic good
Pick one, faggot

Give me a list of successful societies that don't use taxes or governments. I'll wait.

>They pay people to make things
the government doesn't have it's own money; it can only take money from it's citizens through taxation

>1 post by this id
People..

We can't afford it.
Holy fuck, like 40% of my money goes to taxes of some kind (sales taxes, income taxes, overtime taxes, ect.). If you want government healthcare, look at the VA, it is a disaster.

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Health care is an inelastic good you moron. There is infinite demand for it. If you're dying and I have a pill to save your life there is nothing stopping me from charging any amount of money for it.