And this is why I'm not a nationalist. Nationalism has the problem of the domination of form over substance and reality
Social life according to nationalism is centered around constant emotional stimulus which stems from art, cult of history and symbols, which supposedly are supposed to legitimize a political order
Bonds between peoples in nationalism are created arbitrarily by philologists, journalists and artists. Once the emotional binge collapses, then those countries in daily life turn to shit
The notion that Slovenia or Croatia should be independent is laughable. They symbolize the excess of useless bureaucracy in Europe
No amount of symbols can create sufficient bonds between people. Nation states should be created sort of spontaneously not through indoctrination of the "right to self government" or aesthetic propaganda
we are not balkan stop it with this fucking trash map summerfag
Nicholas Myers
shut up nigger
John Cooper
Open borders for Israel.
Lucas Watson
Albania seems /comfy/
Logan Hernandez
Petty nationalism is what you are talking about. Big scale ethno-nationalism would be more stable, since the borders are more clear and the contrast between "us" and "them" easier to explain and justify.
So imagine if the southern slavs (yes, this includes Bulgaria) were "slavic nationalists", that would be much better than serbs and croats fighting over how different and incompatible they are, when they can understand each other, sing the same songs, share the same historical heroes, wear the same clothes, dance the same, eat the same, and are equally subhuman trash.
Jaxon Taylor
Failed italian colonialism for which Greece and the balkan slavs are still paying. Love the fuckers, they trigger serbs and macedons hard.
Elijah Watson
There's just something about it, but being neighbors with Albania must be hard.
Jack Bell
States should function as functional organisms that provide social order and make economic sense. It's hard for me so far to make that more precise. People would have to direct their attention towards Christianity once again and not towards mythology. Then the nationalistic zeal would wear off
Sebastian Gray
Albania is like Bulgaria, it borders itself in all directions. That is, most people who live on the border with Albania are Albanians.
why is balkanization so bad? why shouldn't croats be allowed to govern themselves?
Brayden Miller
And on what grounds should Croats have their state? Because they're slavic and have some distinct poets who create symbols for them? What about the practice of governing the state? Economic efficiency? Croats aren't even catholics they only live with symbols of their fake country
Noah Miller
>No amount of symbols can create sufficient bonds between people. Nation states should be created sort of spontaneously not through indoctrination of the "right to self government" or aesthetic propaganda YES! If only these fucking idiots understood that we are trying to make a big empireand rule over it. But they are too uneducated to see the benefits it will have for their corporations
James Butler
>picks one part of the world where several radically different CIVILIZATIONS fought a "trench warfare" for several consecutive centuries to prove how nationalism is some ephemeral, intangible, bogus sentiment or whatever I'd somewhat, somewhat understand if you took northern Europe, northern Germany and Benelux to prove your point. OP is a literal trenchbrain. Dumbest piece of shit I've read in a while.
>We, Croats, wrecked that dumpster fire at internationalists horror. Lol, you were supported by NATO and the West from the 90s on up until today. Croatia wouldn't exist were it not for the West.
Nolan Gonzalez
Balkans only demonstrates the failures of multiculturalism you dumb fucking pole.
David King
why dont you go invade them then pollock
Cameron Perry
>And on what grounds should Croats have their state?
Because they want to, who gave you the authority to object?
Gavin Bailey
The Balkans worked pretty well until Yugoslavia started rejecting loans from the IMF and World Bank. As a result international financial powers started supporting secessionist movements so they could divide and conquer Yugoslavia and put them in perpetual debt serfdom.
Jason Carter
Yes I would gladly invade them and reeducate those fucking nationalistic sleazes so they would become proper catholics
Ryan Watson
The Greatest thing about the EU is that it prevent brother wars no matter what. There will be no uprisings and no wars. Just peace all the time for all races. It sounds wonderful. But to these fucking racists its probably a problem. This is why we need the EU, idiots who hate on others will be thrown in jail under the EU and only the good and productive members of society will be left.
The strong and ethically correct shall inherit the earth.
>who gave you the authority to object? Common sense, philosophical realism and historical empiricism
I don't give a shit about monkeys demanding countries
Parker Ward
desu the one crucial difference between us and serbs is that they have more shitskins and turkomongoloids. Solution - population exchange. We send our subhumans to Serbia and bring quality Serbs over here.
Colton Cook
you sound like another "educated" leftest.
Easton Barnes
>I will invade you and force my beliefs on you
That's how imperialism starts. Fun fact: the multicultural Empires like Russia and Austria-Hungary fell after WW1 and haven't recovered.
Even Poland had it's own "Commonwealth" of Poland-Lithuania which was basically a multicultural empire before it was invaded by Russia. The only reason you are remotely independent state right now is thanks to Polish nationalists, you should be grateful to you nationalist ancestors instead of spitting on their graves.
Carson Wilson
>EU means peace >EU supports the bombing of Serbia by NATO and the destruction of Yugoslavia
pick one
Jacob Reyes
By those words you mean your subjective viewpoint defined by utility, in which a person's or nation's value or in this case, right to exist, is determined only by the role they fulfill? Let me tell you something then, that is not how the world works. If it did we would have no nations at all. or do you think that's something to strive for?
Can I go to your country without my car getting stolen or me getting stabbed on the streets?
Juan Johnson
>The beaches in Albania are beautiful. Alot of parts of Albania look amazing, shame the flight alone for me would cost $1k+ in money.
Anthony Reed
I always find it ironic that the Balkans were balkanized.
Hudson Barnes
>I don't give a shit about monkeys demanding countries Exactly how I expected an "educated" liberal to talk to common people. Well Pollack, the Croats don't give a shit about what you want or expect. Go back to your history fantasy.
Adrian White
in 1998, a year before the Bombing Campaign, the UN security council turned to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, which means full scale military intervention, but without authorizing the final measure until a year later. Neither the EU nor Yugoslavia could do anything about it.
Juan Baker
Germany and Russia should split this Polish shithole again...
Jordan Morris
He is american so facts and history dont matter to him.
Logan Robinson
LOL
World's best plumbers. :D
Camden Harris
Yeah but i teach Austrian and German tourists swearwords as greetings when they ask for directions.
William Sanders
Pope John Paul II was a White Croat.
Ethan Phillips
>we, Croats >start a war >get btfo'd >war freezes for 5 years >wait for nato to diplomatically force Serbian forces into retreat >seize the land >declare "deceisive" victory what a faggot
Jayden Green
>Pope John Paul II >born name Karol Józef Wojtyła certanly a croat
Jordan Gonzalez
we, Serbs start WWI lose whole Serbian army flees to Greece half of them die of typhus and dysentery French force them back Austria-Hungary falls apart Serbs declare "deceisive" victory
Same shit with Turks, Germans and NATO...
Easton Evans
Someone just finished their first semester at college.
Dominic Brooks
Don't let the name fools you you Servian fool...
Pope John Paul II's mother called herself a White Croat.
Juan Howard
I like posting that in all these Balkans threads to see what sort of idiots take the low hanging bait. Usually no one bites, just you and some gypsy.
Jacob Lewis
There is a big diference into being pushed out of your land and then fighting your way back in and just waiting for the big daddy to finish the job. Seriba had the most deaths per capita during world war 1 where 1 in 4 died, most deaths on battlefield per capita and still liberated your sorry ass. I am ashamed that as a young person I supported Croatian identity, but after years of seeing how ungrateful and backstabbing Croats are I must hate them. Croats are a fake nation in a fake country held by fake culture stolen from their neighbours. Eat shit and die
That's why we are changing the demographics, a more diverse country wouldn't go to war with another.
Kayden Jenkins
>Balkans symbolize pathologies of nationalism nope, balkanization is a normal phenomenon which happens every time a larger body falls apart into smaller ones.
Samuel Morgan
>John Pauls Mother >born Emilia Kaczorowska >not even a white Croat You do realize that there are both white croats and white Serbs and both of them have onthing in common with us. They just inhibit the area where before the 6th century Croats and Serbs lived and are thus called that way
Also, it must feel pathetic that the Pope was never a Croat but was a Serbian. We outperform you even in catholicism >t.Svilanovic
Because an atheist country full of cheap materialistic feminist whores has a bright future, right? Even the Iraqis and Turks that you have in every single one of your cities are mentally stronger than you, a bunch of hedonist and nihilistic fags
David Evans
It has nothing to do with nationalism. It was pure tribalism here in my educated opinion. Some last to this day.
My family escaped from Drvar during the wars. I was born in Serbia so I never got to see where we used to live. Then one day we went back to check on the old house. When we came there I started looking around and asking my dad about stuff. There were valleys and hills named after families who lived there. We have a valley btw. Then he showed me the graveyard. It was a graveyard for out family and our family ALONE. No other was allowed to be buried there. Each family had the same thing basically.
The problem with Balkans is that we are not being left alone to organically deal with the situation. There is always some fuckery going about from West AND East.
in one moment you say croatia and slovenia shouldnt exist, the next you say that countries should be made spontaneously? croatia and slovenia exist because the people decided they didnt want communism, spontaneously
youre fucking stupid
Dominic Collins
>implying that tribalism and nationalism is diffrent
Anthony Russell
How was your day, toilet-cleaner?
Wyatt Lopez
It's just yours before theirs
Anthony Young
>be a serb >be ottoman turk vassal state for unbroken 400 years >finally independence >over the next 100 years lose all your territory slowly to the point where even kosovo is no longer part of serbia >all neighbors hate you >wrost birth rate in europe >be cucked by chinks and koreans gettinh paid pennies and spat on >in the process of joining eu and nato anyway >have a PM whos a dyke and not even a serbian >still claim you "won" the war what a faggot
Wyatt Phillips
Facts. The dollar converts well into their currency though. So you can go all out there.
Brayden White
>be canadian what a faggot
Adam Green
You can stop larping now, kike servian.
Nathaniel Anderson
Genocide the Albanians and Gypsies and the Balkans would get 99% better
Zachary Ross
Croatia and Slovenia were artificially created by journalists and artists during Romanticism when they were part of Hapsburgs
James Hughes
Balkanites were killing each other a thousand years before nationalism was even conceptualized you dumb polack
Jace Torres
BTFO shill
Brody Brown
That's stretched, due to both you president and prime minister are gay. Trudeau is just a cuck.
Connor Ramirez
Tribalism and nationalism IS different, because nationalism is more political
In Africa you can have tribalism but not necessarily nationalism
Ayden Cook
>due to both your president and prime minister are gay.
Your president is a whore but what you said about ours is also true.
Asher Campbell
Serbians are children with massive complexes. They point to everything and say this is serbia this is serbian land those are serbian people and when others deny that and want their own country they go to war and get BTFO even though they had more soldiers and better technology especially at the start of the war. As soon as croatians captured back a few weapon stockpiles it signaled the end of muh greater serbia dream
Daniel Campbell
Poland didn't exist from 1770 until 1918. :D
Croatia was a kingdom from 925 until 1918...
Easton Richardson
you were politically in balkans up to start of ww2 and 12.000 km2 of your land is in balkan peninsula
Yes I agree with you! Poland is dysfunctional, this is why I say that you shouldn't base countries on aesthetics and symbols
Christopher Nelson
As far as my experience goes there, unless you are in the drug business, petty crime is really low. That being said, it really changed in the span of 2 years I had business there, who knows how it is now.
Brandon Gutierrez
The Balkans start at the English Channel.
Jordan Hughes
This is a pattern I have also seen, to be fairly honest. Not taking sides, but I get the feeling Croats and Albanians have less hate for Serbs than the other way around. Or they were not just upfront about it to earn good goy points in my face.
Cameron Roberts
I have no desire for serbian soil or some meme "velika hrvatska" i simply hate others pointing at my country saying oh thats serbia. The media is still pushing the ustashe agenda which is despicable they are copying the west in trying to ban nationalism when it should be something to be proud of. The past is the past what happened has happened there is no way to change it simply learn from your past experience (dont have any sort of union with serbs) and move on.
Colton Martinez
Anyone who isnt Balkan wouldn't feel the need to not be balkan, it's a balkan thing to try to not be balkan.
If you weren't balkan you wouldn't care enough to say it.
Kevin Barnes
Is the strategy against nationalism that the media and the government takes effective? Is it only on your side or the albanian part also follows the same strategy?
Ryder Flores
>I get the feeling Croats and Albanians have less hate for Serbs than the other way around Serbs hate almost everyone, many serbs have a blinding rage towards their neighbors. Their neighbors, on the other hand, just want to be left the fuck alone.
Serbian history is a very large catalogue of random serbian raids for no reason whatsoever, sometimes not even for fucking pillaging, straight after they sign an agreement or express friendship or alliance of whatever.
Lucas Thompson
It depends really most people just laugh at them or straight up boycott their shitty blog posts but im sure there are people who believe it. As for Albania i dont really know about them nor do i care to find ojt
Noah Perry
thank you for not including us! we area central european country not a balkan shithole
Michael Davis
No I think Balkans symbolize 600 years of kebab rule and low IQ Slavs thinking they are actually European.
Bulgaria, Romania (minus Részek and Transylvania), Greece and to a lesser extent Serbia and Croatia are the only legit nations in the Balkans, the rest is meaningless shite.
Parker Moore
>muh slavs >muh low IQ Half of us are barely even slavic and IQ levels are about 4-5 points lower than the average european, while having a sizeable gypsy population that's functionally illiterate and retarded.
