the Virgin Rassemblement National >gets destroyed in elections by Macron >politically isolated, no other parties willing to work with them >nobody else in Europe cares about them >hundreds killed in terrorist attacks in France, still fails at gaining support >led by a woman lol
THE CHAD LEGA >17% of the vote, gets to call the shots in the government anyways >politically connected, other right-wing parties and populists willing to form coalitions with them >Polish, Hungarian and Austrian leaders willing to work with them to stop migrants >no major terrorist attacks in Italy, can still rally the electorate against migrants regardless >bullies cuck president into giving up his "technocratic" government >leader quotes mussolini lol >led by a MAN
i'd thank him for stopping the horde, not because thanks to him a couple of autistic fucks appreciate us now
Zachary Gomez
>much less Italy hate kek,we are hated more than before
Hunter Russell
Except Italy shows the problem with "right wing" populism. This government is all about shutting borders but not fixing problems.
Italy's debt is sky high. What is the Lega's solution? More spending! Italy's fertility rate is below replacement level. What is the Lega's solution? More spending!
These chumps will do nothing to fix the problem, NOTHING. In the long run this at best delays the inevitable. Either the Italians will have to open the borders to replacement migration at some point, or they will become so weak and depopulated that they cannot defend themselves against replacement migration. Doubly so when their economy collapses due to populism driven irresponsible spending.
Evan Jackson
more spening is what they should doing
Chase Johnson
Of course, because if you have no money spending more money will somehow mean you get more money.
Keynesian economics is cancer.
Henry Gonzalez
i don't care about you and your meme-flag,i will not reply seriously to you
Mason Brown
Le Pen family is in for the money, I hate this fat pig of Marine, she ruined fucking everything.
I'm not sure I want her in if she turns like her aunt, she is multiple times more likeable though but we need a man with balls, only one is Henri de Lesquen but he is more a meme than anything.
Kevin Ortiz
Austerity is a fucking meme, they are killing white middle class birthrates with tax and cut in infrastructures while flooding the immigrants with programs. I don't even speak about the scam of central banking.
If money is redirected toward young native italians to help them kickstart a family then they will inevitably get better.
Easton Torres
Eat shit sandnigger
Gabriel Cook
>they are killing white middle class birthrates with tax and cut in infrastructures Except all the data proves that throwing money at women to have babies has little to no effect on fertility and what little effect it does have flattens out eventually. Of course the solution isn't to get women out of the workforce so they can spend their most fertile years having babies rather than wasting it on a shit-tier career that won't even matter in the long run because they want to marry a richer man anyway. No, we NEED to spend money we don't have.
>If money is redirected toward young native italians Or... get this... taxes are reduced to make the economy more attractive to investors and those willing to start companies. It's what Macron is doing in your country and it's working pretty damned fine. The only problem is that in four years idiots like you will vote Macron out of office for either yet another socialist or some populist who thinks closing the border will suddenly fix all problems (while at the same time espousing civic nationalism of course).
Bentley Harris
There's no classical liberal alternative in Italy or most other European countries. You either want big government and a boatload of immigrants or big government for your own people. Limited gov is a British/American concept almost wholly ignored on the Continent. Not saying i disagree btw
Landon Hernandez
the Virgin Rassemblement National: >so ashamed of themselves they change their name
THE CHAD LEGA >doesn't give a fuck, drops "north" from the name so all italians can vote to fuck muzzies
James Mitchell
>Limited gov is a British/American concept I think it's better to say it became an American concept. Between the French Revolution and give or take the end of WW1 (hmmm, SOMETHING happened at the end of WW1...) this changed. In Britain it's a fucking joke. The "conservatives" spend about as much as any given "center right" party in Europe and let's not forget a big argument in favor of Brexit was "more money for NHS".
US Republicans are about the last classical liberals left in the West.
Aiden Price
>don't try to solve problems goy because you also have other problems drop the meme flag Benji
I'm Danish and I love Salvini! May he love well and long!
Salvini for God Emperor of Europe!
Christian Butler
Proud to be Italian
Landon Rivera
have you guys made english twitter accounts to spread his message? The only problem with him is most of his videos are in italian and not translated. we need to kick of an avalanche after trump
Nicholas Richardson
>don't try to solve problems goy When was the last time a planned economy solved everything? It's demonstrated time and again that a freer market leads to freer people and greater prosperity. No system is better at allocating resources where they are needed than the free market.
Meanwhile, you can't just spend without getting that money from somewhere. The question is where that money comes from? There are multiple answers. >Taxation Who is going to be taxed? The poor? Then you're not solving the problem. The rich? Then what are you going to do when the rich move to a country with lower taxes? Companies? What are you going to do when large companies outsource while middle and small sized companies can no longer afford to keep as many employees and/or are forced to shut down? What are you going to do to fight the unemployment the "solution" has caused? Are you going to nationalize the economy? That means more civil servants, which means more expenditure, which means more need for income. This is a vicious cycle.
>Printing money No longer an option for Italy with the eurozone, but even if they step out of the eurozone and print the Lira into oblivion again this solves nothing. Inflation is taxation without representation. By printing money to invest in the economy, they're making all the money already in circulation worth less. De facto it has the same effects as taxation, with all the potential downsides for the competitiveness of the economy.
>More borrowing This is the only "magic" solution... except debts need to be paid back. You're still taxing, you're just kicking the can down the street in this instance.
Look at what Macron is doing in France. The solution is to make the economy more competitive so it can itself employ more workers.
Jordan Thompson
i think you guys are pretty cool (;
Jacob Reed
Don't forget that they just passed a trillion+ omnibus spending bill. The GOP loves to spend, just not to tax. In Europe there's a different reality (our currency is not the world reserve and people don't just buy our treasuries at 2% yield forever) so they tax as well. Dude at this point the next economic crisis is the only thing to look forward to.
Mason Jackson
>It's demonstrated time and again that a freer market leads to freer people we are strangled by lobbyies of NATO and EU. Billionaire funded NGOs pump propaganda and buy all our media property. We can't go into libertarian mode without establishing ground rules this is retarded
Hunter Adams
You're mostly right but there's no popular will behind any of this. 4 generations of Europeans have been brainwashed into taking it up the ass from the state and saying thank you. The immigrant stuff is the only dissenting opinion that can (and did) gain some traction.
Luis Stewart
>we are strangled by lobbyies of NATO and EU How do the EU and NATO "strangle" Greece? Because France and Germany want their borrowed money back? This only demonstrates that kicking the can down the road is a structural problem in Greece.
>Billionaire funded NGOs pump propaganda and buy all our media property. Presuming this is the case, what does it have to do with anything?
>We can't go into libertarian mode without establishing ground rules What "ground rules" are there other than the economic rules as they apply on the free market? In fact, the EU only helps in that regard as it facilitates foreign investments into Greece ... IF the laws make investing in Greece attractive.
Again, look at France. Look at what Macron did and look how desperate foreign entities are to invest in the French economy. Some of the big ones are Facebook opening an AI research facility in France and Disneyland Paris being expanded -despite running at a loss for the last decade or so. Macron, his already implemented reforms and his planned future reforms have restored the faith of international investors in France as a lucrative market. The same thing can happen in Greece if the political will to do that is there. But this will never happen as you'll just vote for another populist leader that promises to spend all your problems away.
Ethan Long
It's a damned shame. At this point, the only way to preserve our liberties is to question the concept of universal suffrage.
Adam Morgan
>How do the EU and NATO "strangle" Greece? they make laws, for us to follow and they are not working for our interests >Presuming this is the case, what does it have to do with anything? it has to do with the fact that a free market right now would not be beneficial to Europe since most of the capital is in the hands of people that don't care about your future
France a shithole, I know you are a shill but come on. Economy only matters in the context of a hard working cohesive society that lives through each other Who the fuck wants to live in paris
You just accused Greece of gobbling foreign loans needlessly and then admitted that the EU preasures them into taking in more "investment" they will have to pay back. Kill yourself you insufferable faggot.
Chase Howard
Correct. And desu i regard the social situation much more dire that whatever ridiculous percentage of my money the state is taking. My (dream) timeline would be: first we get rid of immigration, then we figure out the gender stuff, unironically women need to get back in the kitchen to an extent if we're gonna have any children at all. Then we can talk about free markets etc.
Alexander Barnes
do you not realize that they're kicking out the biggest welfare leeches? fucking shill, fuck off
Grayson Perez
Stop accepting tens of billions of €s of other people's money if you don't want them having power over you. We should have let you go bankrupt tbqh
For a nationalist head figure that's wrong, no hate towards Italians
John Morales
>they make laws, for us to follow and they are not working for our interests NATO doesn't make laws, the EU makes laws that bind all member states. As much as I dislike the EU, there's no greater EU conspiracy against Greece. The only anti-Greek conspiracy is the Greek government.
>it has to do with the fact that a free market right now would not be beneficial to Europe since most of the capital is in the hands of people that don't care about your future How is that important, unless they're somehow buying the borders open? What's important is that this capital is invested into enterprises that create job opportunities.
>Muh niggers This is exactly the problem. You think the Lega Nord is heavenly salvation because they're all for kicking out the migrants, even though they're fucking up the economy. It's not a zero sum game, you can be against replacement migration AND against irresponsible spending..
>You just accused Greece of gobbling foreign loans needlessly Correct.
>and then admitted that the EU preasures them into taking in more "investment" That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the EU's freedom of capital removes barriers for inhabitants of certain EU countries to invest in other EU countries. That doesn't mean it will happen if the laws are unattractive though.
>My (dream) timeline would be: first we get rid of immigration, then we figure out the gender stuff, unironically women need to get back in the kitchen to an extent if we're gonna have any children at all. I agree, but I'd reverse it. Keep in mind women are natural leftists so they're more likely to vote for mass migration in the first place. Controlling our women means controlling our laws, which is the first step towards solving all other problems. Both economic and demographic.
I didn't know they were kicking out women.
You're free to migrate back wherever you came from.
Blake Hernandez
ugly symbol desu, I will never like the red white aesthetic. check our fascist regime flag
>buying the borders open? they are literally doing that through mass propaganda and payed soldiers (antifa) >they're fucking up the economy populism makes the economy rise slower but it doesn't stagnate economies you retard. I know that from the actual populist regimes we had here in greece with steady economic development
Ofcourse without the free market you can't have an imminent boom in the economy unless you get lucky but doing that would compromise the soveireignty of our nations
Austin Diaz
is that limoncello
Aiden Howard
fake and gay we have had 2 fascist governments in the last 80 years and so did italy and spain and portugal
William Garcia
Then lets go even further and let's say that it's 2018 and women aren't just gonna voluntarily lose all their newfound freedoms. Right now they can fuck whoever they want, work or not there's always welfare etc. You need strong men to convince them otherwise. I noticed this in my own relationship, the more "grown up", responsible and assertive i acted the more my gf would defer to me. So yeah go figure how to turn a generation of basedboys into men.
Carson Smith
>they are literally doing that through mass propaganda and payed soldiers (antifa) No, "they" are not doing anything. The electorate is voting for it. If you believe the electorate is easily manipulated, that's a different factor.
>populism makes the economy rise slower but it doesn't stagnate economies you retard Citation needed.
>I know that from the actual populist regimes we had here in greece with steady economic development Describe the economic policy of those regimes, because presuming they actually led to steady economic development I doubt their policy was "let's borrow almost 200% of our gdp and then spend it on frivolous shit like government jobs and more generous pensions".
The thing is that "populist" doesn't describe a specific economic policy. It describes whatever is popular among the voters during a specific time.
>Ofcourse without the free market you can't have an imminent boom in the economy unless you get lucky but doing that would compromise the soveireignty of our nations You do realize you can have a free market without opening your borders, right? heritage.org/index/ranking The freest market in Europe is Switzerland, which is also the most anti-immigration country in Europe.
Jace Lopez
Most people praising Salvini on his Twitter are women
Logan Collins
You're not wrong, but you've pointed out the problem. It's incredibly difficult to de-soi a nation of soibois. Shit REALLY needs to hit the fan for that to happen. We need something like the state to effectively collapse, making it unable to provide its welfare state services. In the end, I do believe women will defer to men once again. Whether they defer to their own men or to Muhammad and Achmed, that's the real question.
Kayden Perry
>tldr >memeflag >no step snek >muh free market will fix everything goys. Unrestricted capitalism won't lead to corporate dominance. It will actually make people free :^). Trust me ;^).
Yes, and like I said Salvini is in favor of more spending rather than cuts. It's no surprise that women love him for that. Women are inherently hypergamous, they'll cling to the lips of whatever man is able to offer them the most resources. Whether that's Christian Grey in his sex dungeon or Salvani in the Italian government makes no difference.
Brody Wood
>Unrestricted capitalism won't lead to corporate dominance If large corporations manage to dominate society, it is because the government backs them. Look at Monsanto in your own country, do you really think they could've gotten as strong as they are now without the US government effectively financing the corn industry? There's a good reason why all your food is filled with high fructose corn syrup and your bread tastes like cake.
Mason Smith
>No, "they" are not doing anything. The electorate is voting for it noone is voting for soros ngos to be pushed violently through legislation on our throats dude
Those governments had socialized healthcare, helped the village people kickstart production and brought trusted capitalists to invest in resources noone was taking advantage off. They taxed the people normally not heavily like today and the pushed for low and middle class people to start producing instead of just being workers
They were not "socialist" by any standard but they believed in central government for vital jobs like ethnic cohesion, public healthcare, public education and so on
Jonathan Campbell
Nice, top kek
Jonathan Foster
Italy is the most xenophobic and inwards looking country in Europe. Not that it's a bad thing. To get to 80+% of people opposing mass migration you need at least a plurality of women. Fidati nel resto dell' Europa molte donne (sopratutto qui) vogliono solo pensare di aver fatto del bene. Ah e una cifra di cazzi negri.
Oliver Miller
>noone is voting for soros ngos to be pushed violently through legislation on our throats dude True, but technically Soros isn't doing anything illegal either. Soros is a piece of shit, don't get me wrong on that, but by the end of the day it's the voter that decides what way his country goes. If Soros can meme the voter into believing that diversity is our strength, Soros is in the wrong but the voter that got meme'd is doubly so.
>Those governments had socialized healthcare >They taxed the people normally not heavily like today Interesting. I'm going to bet that healthcare was nowhere near as comprehensive as today. What populist regimes are you talking about? Are you talking about fascist regimes where women could not vote, the state was the instrument of the one party ruling class and therefore run with the interests of said ruling class in mind, meaning they had zero incentive to borrow themselves into bankrupcy? Because that's a cycle we also see in many Latin American countries: the voters vote for regimes that destroy the economy, then a liberally minded strongman takes over and fixes the economy. Rinse and repeat (though Chile at least appears to have broken the cycle. Guess Pinochet provided sufficient free helicopter rides).
Owen James
>isn't doing anything illegal either he isn't, but he should be labeled a criminal and presecuted for being an enemy of free speech and self serving sovereign nations that produce good to the world
Colton Rodriguez
That I do not disagree with. I would be in favor of Hungary style anti-Soros laws.
Justin Perez
>fascist regimes yes, noone could vote. they didn't bow to any minorities or social pressures and did what was right for the country papadopoulos, metaxas, plastiras, papandreou( the last two were democratic rulers quickly undermined and forgotten by history in favor of globalist snakes that made gibs into their favorite hobby )
Jaxon Sanders
Why do you assume this is the right thread to vomit Molyneux talking points?
Nolan Edwards
>yes, noone could vote There's the explanation then. I'm not in favor of dictatorships, but I do agree it's better to not let those who don't pay net taxes vote.
Molyneux sometimes makes sense and sometimes is a meme machine. These are classical liberal talking points. This was mainstream thought before women got the vote.
Landon Nelson
stop vomiting your propaganda,we don't want your ideology here
Clearly, given the state of the Italian economy. Keep trying to fight one of the symptoms while ignoring the disease, my dude.
Wyatt Nelson
Of course, that's common sense. The question is what the real problem is: the fact that rich people have money, or the fact that the loyalty of politicians can be bought in the first place.
Leo Bennett
Haha i've heard the argument multiple times that what is happening in Sweden etc. is just women craving another patriarchy after destroying their own. All I can say is that we can't wait for this collapse to happen. You need to construct your life as you wish it to be. I hide most of my earnings from the gov, have a qt mostly submissive gf that i live with etc. It took me a few years to construct this but its doable.
Grayson Martin
good,now you can go away
Jayden Morgan
It helps when you form actual arguments against your opponent instead of sperging out about propaganda etc. Italy is in the fucking gutter mostly thanks to 70 years of bad governance and 40 years of having the largest communist party in the west. You can't deny this pastaboi
Jack Evans
mind your business low land boi,we never asked for advice
Jack Rivera
Your post is gay and so are you I suggest suicide
Nicholas Howard
lo so infatti siete nella merda. Ogni volta che torno in Italia (sono mezzo italiano) fa sempre piu schifo. Sempre piu immigrati, buche in strada ecc. Sono pieno di amici che fanno gli schiavi per 1000€ al mese. Lo sai anche tu che tolti gli immigrati l' Italia continuera a fare schifo.
Matthew Long
stay there and never come back
Luis Rogers
If you are whiten you can spend and it will help your economy. take. off that flag German faggot
Jacob Kelly
stacci in nederlandia allora
Landon Sanchez
>expat thinks his opinion matters Cute
Thomas Gutierrez
nah,he is an american,look at his protestant attitude
David Walker
>commensense Except the fact that lolbertarians never understand that. Now go away memeflaggot.
Hahahaha certo che rimango qui a guadagnare cash e scoparmi bionde. Caring about your country also means being willing to criticize it, cmon. It's glaringly obvious Italy has huge issues. You should be willing to constructive talk about them.
Joseph Hill
Sorry to disappoint. I'm also a Traditionalist Catholic, not Protestant. I don't see why either of that matters when you should be concerning yourselves with my argument rather than my identity.
Flags on Jow Forums were a mistake.
Brandon Gutierrez
i don't want your advice,your arguments don't matter to me
Jace Cook
FIRST THE KITTENS!
Brayden Green
not on Jow Forums
John Collins
scopa sta ciolla
Benjamin Ross
You probably don't know that the biggest italian multinational corporations are in the south and they're clearly the skeleton of italian economics and society.
