Help me find peace

Ethics by Spinoza

>reddit spacing
>memeflag
>Pasquale's wager
in all fields

>which God
any god that doesn't claim omnipotence

>afraid
get fucked coward
>death
user's soul has been prepared since /b/ '07
>religious
lmao buddhism
>help me
help yer fucking self memeflaggot rectal cavity
when you die there is nothing

>if you are an atheist how do you know with all your heart that God doesn't exist

Simple. Most xtians will say that if you are in need, and give it up to god, he will answer your prayers. 12 steppers will devoutly affirm that they prayed and god took away the need to drink. Fair enough. How come god can intervene on the behalf of an addict, but he can not intervene on the behalf of the addict's victims? Would not you, as a youth, when presented with the engorged cock of the clergy, start to pray that god take away the cock? Pray that god take away the need of the addict, the clergy in this case, to stick it's penis down your throat? Why in all the 2000 years of god listinening and answering prayers has he not once stopped a member of the clergy from practicing pedophilia? Surely he would win more asses in the pews by preventing his clerics, at least, from skull fuking the youngest parishoners?

The fact that this occurs, proves that god does not exist.

God loves you. Stop worrying so much and start enjoying life

>I've taken a super natural vantage and surveyed all of that which is and concluded from the evidence there is no God

In the Christian faith, we come to know things about God through revelation and philosophy. We have the testimony of the Apostles, and the proofs of the philosophers for our belief in God, on top of course the natural inclination of man toward belief in God and our own lived experience.

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Because, by His own will, He only shapes the will of those who volunteer it to Him to begin with. You blame God for the acts of human mortals acting without God in their heart.
>b-but if I can't trust the leaders, who can I trust?!
Maybe you should actually read your bible instead of allowing someone else to tell you what it means? Maybe you should stop being luke-warm?

How does that rectify the following: If you were an altar boy presented with an erect clergy phallus, would you pray for more, or pray that god take it away? If you are a supplicant disciple the bible tells you god will answer. So is the answer to take it? The bible says in your time of need, if you have been faithful to that point, you get your prayers answered. Even if you have not been faithful the bible says repent and your prayers will be answered. So, how does not the altar boy repent and ask for less cock? How does god not answer the prayer for less cock? Only a NON EXISTANT god would let the prayers of a young prepubescent parishoner go unanswered.

>He only shapes the will of those who volunteer it to Him to begin with.
We are talking about the clergy skull fuking the young. Surely the clergy have voluntereed? IF so, then god is shaping their hearts to be pedophiles. What kind of god is that?

user, if God exists I doubt he is going to torture you. You would have to do something truly reprehensible to deserve that.

Q predicted this

>hurrrr pedos don't seek positions of power where they can exercise their authority without criticism
You read my post, but you did not understand it. Or, more likely, you do understand it, and now you're frantically trying to place some damage control.

Just because one particular persons prayers aren't answered to their inkling / satisfaction dosen't mean God dosen't exist. To say God dosen't exist you would literally need to be all knowing in a sense to be able to survey everything that is and come to that conclusion. Not to mention there are metaphysical means by which we can come to the existence of God.

You were dead for the entire age of the universe before being born, its going to be the same after you die.

The revealed religions reveal themselves as complete contradictory bullshit if you actually read their holy garbage books critically. So its safe to discard them with no worries.

IF there is a god that made the universe he would have communicated already.

Death is nothing, it's irrational to worry about it. It;s like going to sleep.

What gives me nightmares is being bed ridden with cancer for months in complete agony before finally dying.

>Just because one particular persons prayers aren't answered
NOw if they were asking for help on a test, or to win the lottery, I might lend some creedence to this. We are talking about god;s messangers practicing pedophilia. We are talking about a kid asking god to stop the priest from stuffing a cock down it's throat. The bible says catagorically that prayers are answered. IF a prayer was ripe for answering it is one eminating from a prepubescent asking to not be a cock holster. How can you possibly think otherwise?

Because you're giving a hypothetical situation. You also left out the important part of the sentence: TO THEIR INKLING OR SATISFACTION. You act as if you know exactly how God answers prayers in all situations.

>>hurrrr pedos don't seek positions of power where they can exercise their authority without criticism
All the more reason for the god to step in and make sure NO CLERGY will skull fuck the flock. How is it in god's interest to have the clergy defile the parishoners to the extent that it will forever turn them away from the church? Are you really under the delusion that repetitive skull fuking is a way to endear a person to god's love, let alone thier family?

The clergy skull fuking kids has turned more people away from the church than any athiest.

>giving a hypothetical situation.
How many times have we read about the clergy skull fuking the young? That is not hypothetical It is empirical.

And you know that in every case the children prayed to God? Who's to say that those situations coming to the attention of us aren't the way in which God answered their prayer if they did so? Again, you act as if you know how God answers prayers in all situations.

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Few people have a clear understanding of how salvation works.

Let me make it very simple.
YOU ARE A SINNER and unless you accept Christ's payment for your sins on the cross, you will spend eternity burning in the fires of Hell.You cannot add or subtract anything to Christ's payment.

Jesus paid the full price of our sins with His precious blood (1st Peter 1:18-19).

IT IS TOTALLY FREE

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so that means i can rape and murder and accept Christ at my deathbed? fuck yeah!

GOD Knows your heart and mind,if you are true at heart and seek him honestly with all you are,there is a pretty good chance you will be saved,be it Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Baptist or Pentecostal

*BUT*
if you are just a believer just in name, you don't truly seek God, you live for yourself an follow your own commandments and think you can. Fool God becus you proclaimed yourself a faithful amoung men,you have a good Chance of being sent to hell

That's how I take it,ultimately without Jesus Christ your are lost

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I am scared of death, but I will not be blackmailed.

>ultimately without Jesus Christ your are lost

kek, must be fun creating humans and damning them to eternal punishment because they made the wrong choice thanks to you making a shitty job at making them in the first place.

>And you know that in every case the children prayed to God?
Now you are really trying to not face facts. Ask yourself what would you do in that situation. Ask your parents what they would do. Ask your wife. Do you really think that anyone would NOT pray for to have the rape of your face end? You would really just kneel there and think, "THis is how god shows his love." THis is simple humanity here. Seriously, what prepubescent is going to pray for more cock?

You can't bullshit your way into heaven user
With that attitude and mindset that you have said you will be sent straight to hell.
The worse sin possible is the idea that you can cheat God at his own game
Free will, they choose what they wanted.

This is a random commie shill post added to this thread

>Free will, they choose what they wanted.
So choir boys only join because they want cock?

God does not interfere with Free Will, regardless of how it is exercised. As evil as what they do do the children, it is still up to the clergy members to honestly repent and not be the snakes they are. The clergy lie in their submission to god with their mouths and pledge their submission to satan with their acts.
Vatican II Catholic's(sabbatean-frankist jesuits) aren't Christians anyways. It is terrible, but still ultimately, God knows the hearts of those children and knows they were innocent so long as they don't become like the clergy who preyed on them to begin with.
People who actually seek the truth and don't trust someone to spoonfeed them it already know this and knew this. It also says in the last days that no religions within a building that claim to know will teach the truth.
To repent isn't to just go please forgive me. It's to make a decision to work with God to help change yourself and stop doing what you were doing before. That is what it means to truly repent. A Greek user has explained this before translating from the Septuagint, I do believe.

You haven't answered the question, do you know that in every case the children prayed to God? You also seem keen on only talking about one point of my post how about you talk about the other also. Or explain how it is God answers prayers as you obviously know.

>god
God

Nice doobs Satan, but Jesus Christ is the one true God.

> they choose what they wanted.

with their faulty brain that god gave them yes. It's always the fault of the creator not the creation.

Also god was fine with rape slavery and murder in the old testament as long as it wasnt perpetrated inside the tribe.
But that isnt even the worst part, now jesus came and announced the world you will have eternal punishment for finite crimes. Muh loving god.

YOu first. You are a choir boy. You are presented with clergy cock. You are telling me that you do not pray it stops?

I asked two questions first and you still haven't answered them, you first.

God is real. The Bible contains the Truth about God's word to man and how to approach your relationship to your creator. Jesus is God come as man and his death is payment in ful for the sin of man. In dying Jesus fulfilled his own law and provided the redemption for all who come to Him by faith. call on the Name of Jesus in faith believing His death frees you from your sin and begin to look for His Spirit leading you to walk uprightly as you are transformed from the earthly man to be like Him.

Anyhow, I sat by your side, by the water
You taught me the names of the stars overhead that I wrote down in my ledger
Though all I knew of the rote universe were those pleiades loosed in December
I promised you I'd set them to verse so I'd always remember
That the meteorite is a source of the light
And the meteor's just what we see
And the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee
And the meteorite's just what causes the light
And the meteor's how it's perceived
And the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee

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>hey user, are you not afraid of death, are you not afraid of what happens after death,
I am not afraid of death. I used to be.
>the possibility of God being real and he will torture you forever,
God is real. God does not/will not torture you. That is all up to you.
>how do you know that your religion is the right religion,
Because it is truth.
>and if you are an atheist how do you know with all your heart that God doesn't exist,
Atheism is not real. No one is an atheist. All there is that can be described as atheism is simply a person dealing with and coming to terms their own Pride.
>and if you're religious how do you know that your God is the real God what if it's not what if the god you worshipped all your life is not real and when you die Allah throw you in hell,
This is a silly comment. There is only God. And there are only misunderstandings and purposeful corruptions of the meaning of God.
>help me user my heart hurts every time I think of this
Feel free to AMA.

>what if it's not what if the god you worshipped all your life is not real and when you die Allah throw you in hell,

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>Pasquale's wager
>Pasquale

Hahahahaha, cute.

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I don’t believe in hell. The literal translation of revelation’s eternal fire means to burn until it is fully consumed. Being tortured eternally is antithetical to a loving god, even if he is rejected. To be near the giver of life would be torture to those who hate him. He lets people fall into the chaos they ask for; the disorder outside of god. There they die, and their soul perishes. And the devil himself will cease as well. Which means the fall into chaos will be complete and hell cannot be eternal. Love those who hate you. Be good to those who persecute you. Love thy neighbor as you love yourself.

Tbh, I’m not worried about the afterlife. I do what I can to show people love and benefit them. God is just. I would like to spend eternity learning the secrets of the universe, but if I am not saved I accept the result of my decision.

I do not fear God because God loves me

I have been through worse than hell in the beforedeath so why would I fear anything in the afterlife?

Do things you can be truly proud of when you die and in the end you will be able to face death with a grin.

If you are proud of evil though, be aware that God prefers good and you will likely experience regret.

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Are you seriously maintaining that unless 100% of the victims prayed for it to end, god was not going to answer any prayers? Nice sadistic god you have there.

Now you answer the question that I asked before you asked about the 100% compliance from. You are a choir boy. You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

>what if...when you die Allah throw you in hell,

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1. God is loving and is not looking to torture you. God wants you to believe and follow his word. The only torture that would occur is from an existence after life that is completely removed from God.
2. If God is some other form of god that completely hates what I've dedicated my life towards, then so be it. I've lived to promote peace and life, not hatred and death. A god against that is a god I truly would not follow regardless of the consequences.

How does it feel to lobotomize yourself?

>1. God is loving and is not looking to torture you.
Then why does he not answer the prayers from choir boys to stop the clergy from skull fiuking them?

>what if allah is real

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>Are you seriously maintaining that unless 100% of the victims prayed for it to end, god was not going to answer any prayers?

When did I say that lmao, now you're straw manning too? I'm saying how do YOU know if they prayed how do YOU know how God chooses to answer prayers. I asked you the questions first and this is getting far from the existence of God which can be demonstrated metaphysically. Your arguments amount to hearsay

>straw man
Again, You are a choir boy. You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

I went through this a while ago.

TL;DR Is this:

It has to an ancient system or be based in ancient belief. It can’t have been made up in the past 3000 years.

It can’t have diminished to nothing - and/or be retarded - which zeros out things like Zeus Odin and the stupid gods of the Hindus, also Shinto nonsense.

It can’t just be a philosophy, so adios Bhuddism and confuscism - nice philosophies but that about it.

And it must be profound in a way that is stunning. And have changed the entire world.

A: You’re left with Christianity.

Hint - when all the world - the important parts - agree on what year it is - whose life are they all commemorating? Jesus. The way, the truth and the life. Those who followed him changed everything.

Note: Judaism was superseded by Christianity. The Jews were too arrogant to realize the Messiah already came - and changed the world. That’s why the Jews keep getting their asses kicked and are hated. Until they turn to Jesus - they are doomed to being horrible human beings and instruments of uncleanness, perversion and death.

>which can be demonstrated metaphysically.

lmao

newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm#article3

respond to my question first penis breath

Additionally, the Rainbow after the Flood was a sign that God would not destroy man again until He returns again to separate the wheat from the chaff. Humans in this world today have co-opted the symbol and perverted it.
You are purposely avoiding dealing with my post.and the kind of crass disgusting humor you are applying is starting to give me the sense that you're a pedo trying to justify what you do by blaming God for not interfering with it.

>fearing allah at all

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Hahahahahahahahahaha snarky little pedo priest comment.
Next time keep your idiotic comment to yourself,im not a Catholic
>> they choose what they wanted.
>with their faulty brain that god gave them yes.
How is the brain faulty? I know you are retarded bit still.
He made man in his image, so that we can be conscious beings with the ability to choose between good and evil.
>It's always the fault of the creator not the creation.
It seems like you are trying to project your failures onto God,id get that checked out user
>Also god was fine with rape slavery and murder in the old testament as long as it wasnt perpetrated inside the tribe.
Rape had a cost of money and the rapist was forced to marry the raped victim, he's basically stuck with her.
Murder in its self (as in with no proper reason to justify it) is a sin and you could be stoned for doing so
Slaver? Kek, the tribes where sold into slavery by God many times for disobeying him, serves them right
Atheist are always going
>Ur God ks weak he won't do anything
Or
>Ur god is a big meanie!
Which one is it?
>But that isnt even the worst part, now jesus came and announced the world you will have eternal punishment for finite crimes.
There's a path to salvation,you must pay for your actions, for the wages of sin is death.
And hell isn't a cave with fire and deamons
Hell is the place where your soul is eternal separated from God,that in Its self is probably the worst thing possible.

I think I have explained enough to you,you won't try to actually listen to what I say, I predict a 99% probability that you will continue to blame God for your own shortcomings

thank god there's one good person on Jow Forums

> You are a choir boy. You are presented with clergy cock. You are telling me that you do not pray it stops?
Clearly not if they're on Jow Forums begging for it again.

I have answered you. The fact that you continue to avoid the conundrum shows that you have thought about your response and you realise that they only human answer is no, you would not pray for more. No, you would not do nothing. YOu would, pray for a cessation of cock. THat any sane person would pray for a cessation of cock is axiomatic. That the god would not interfere, when the bible is rife with accounts of him doing so, proves that the god is non existant; or so malicious it should be considered demonic in your evaluartions. No loving god can allow the clergy to continually rape prepubescents of the flock. Answer it honestly":

You are a choir boy. You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

>still regurgitating Aquinas's bullshit in this century

Holy shit my dude, take an elementary philo course. And some physics and biology wouldn't hurt. There are better arguments than those.

>You are purposely avoiding dealing with my post
Pot kettle black. I have answered. Multiple times .

Answer honestly just once: You are a choir boy. You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

>How does it feel to lobotomize yourself?
Why do you feel that way, Costa Rica? Manuel Antonio is beautiful, by the way. I was on a beautiful beach there and marveled at the glory of creation. Had great conversations with some locals in Quepos. Jaco was pretty crazy but fun. However, when I stayed at the Gran Hotel de Costa Rica I must say I was very disappointed and expected better. I expected better from all of San Jose, tbqhwy. Still, all in all I liked you.

If you have non-meme questions, just ask bud.

If they're so easy to refute refute them

I'm not a kid, and you haven't answered either of my questions which are in direct contention with your "proof" of Gods non existence. You are not God, you do not know how he answers prayers. You do not know if a child with an underdeveloped brain would know what is right and wrong or whether to pray for it not to happen or not. Those facts alone show you have no ground to stand on when you make these dumb arguments

Answer the question. You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

Your repetition of this shows your arguments are petulant.

1)Not afraid of death because either way it's a relief.

2) Why would God torture a being forever?
(if your point is in relation to roko's basilisk and not the abrahamic religions, please specify)

3)Probability/Supernal Revelation

4)Agnosticism is the most "reasonable" deduction in terms of pure baseline human experience

5)Pascal's wager is not a valid argument.

>You do not know if a child with an underdeveloped brain would know what is right and wrong or whether to pray for it not to happen or not.

A simple course in developmental psychology answers this simply, yes, children do have the cognitive capacity to discern between right and wrong, especially when it concerns the violation of thier body sexually. That is why kids come forward to tell people they trust that they have been voilated.

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Don't give that user attention, he's just being a faggot for the sake of it
And here's a pic you might want

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Love is god.

You get me

No it shows that your modus operandi is to avoid answering any question at all costs. Hence your predilection to comment to others like so:
>If they're so easy to refute refute them

Now you answer one question for a change: You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

No you haven't you liar. You deflect every time while expecting everyone to give ground to every single detail you put forward. You expect people to take yours fully when you won't even consider what others have given you. I already answered honestly. What you are trying to do is word the situation so that emotionally and perspectively, it appears to the viewer as me being unreasonable, when you are the one being unreasonable. If you actually knew the bible, knew what God said, not just cherry picked from the OT, not just ignoring the covenant made after the Flood, you wouldn't make the conclusions you do. It says in the bible that any one who harms a child so that they would turn away from God, it would be better if that person had had a great millstone set about their neck and they were tossed into the sea. They will all get their due justice in the End. As we all will.

I hope you know that every single one of you that has been using scripts to mess with the digits to make your posts look prophetic is going to have a lot to answer for when He returns. I'd say that you not what you do, but you do. You just don't take it seriously or you don't care.

How can you be THIS deluded?

Our choices are the product of our genetics and environment, you chose neither of those. You have no free will. It's a nonsensical notion.

>He made man in his image

so he is an ape with anger management issues.

>It seems like you are trying to project your failures onto God,id get that checked out user

Lets say you make a software that performs badly and results in loss of life in some hospital or shit. Who will be sued the software or yourself?

>Rape had a cost of money and the rapist was forced to marry the raped victim, he's basically stuck with her.
Murder in its self (as in with no proper reason to justify it) is a sin and you could be stoned for doing so
Slaver? Kek, the tribes where sold into slavery by God many times for disobeying him, serves them right

And you are okay with this bullshit? And still somehow manage to claim moral high ground?

>Which one is it?

both, he wont do anything to correct his imperfect creation AND punishes them in asshole ways on top of everything.

>There's a path to salvation,you must pay for your actions, for the wages of sin is death.
And hell isn't a cave with fire and deamons
Hell is the place where your soul is eternal separated from God,that in Its self is probably the worst thing possible.

Muh interpretations, your book doesnt make sense and you have to play mental gymnastics to create a narrative, (which is still incoherent)

And I predict that you will keep making up narratives to give meaning to your pathetic existence. Your kind are the weakest and dumbest humans in the planet. Religion has corrupted your brain like a virus and will never let go.

Another one. I have answered his question. Now one of you holy men answer the question honestly. You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

>I'd say that you not
correction:
I'd say that you do not know what you do, but you do. You don't care take it seriously or you don't care.

And whos to say that the courage to tell these abuses to someone is not an answer to their prayer?
says the one who still has avoided answering my two questions. still waiting btw

Here we go round the mulberry bush.

You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

>le broken record
Enjoy the darkness you chose.

You are presented with clergy cock. Do you pray for more or a cessation of being a surrogate vagina?

>how do you know that your religion is the right religion
>Because it is truth.
how do you know it's the truth
because to me it's all vague

God isn't about religion, or knowledge. God is about faith.
Start there.

San Jose is a shithole I'm glad I live far away from there.

>Why do you feel that way, Costa Rica?

Because the only way to come to that conclusion is to willfully turn off your brain in order to get some comfort in your life.

Time to screw over your consensus breaking operation faggot.
All new viewers to the thread. Please read the thread from the start. A pedo trying to justify his behavior by blaming God for not interfering when pedos abuse children has completely tried to comp the thread. He just keeps expecting everyone to take everything he says as Gold, but refuses to even consider what others give him. See the many posts where he just posts the same thing over and over.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle!

>how do you know it's the truth
Ask yourself. Would you lie to someone else? Maybe. You shouldn't, but let's not pretend we haven't/won't ever. Would you lie to yourself? Of course not. That's ridiculous. I mean, you might try to lie to yourself. Everyone has or will at some point in their life. But, deep down, there in the pit...you know. I mean, you KNOW. At that point, you may as well introduce yourself to Him.

See, the most important part in "finding God", is you must be totally and completely honest with yourself. Work the question to its ultimate conclusion. You will find the truth at the end of this process. You will have your answer. And you'll realize the answer was with you the whole time.

how dare the children pray for anything other than god's plan?
An omniscient god already made up his mind anyway, prayer is useless at best and arrogant at worst.

So praying for lube would be better.

God is found by the dedicated seeker.

>Our choices are the product of our genetics and environment, you chose neither of those. You have no free will. It's a nonsensical notion.
You can Leave your determinism outside,thanks
>>He made man in his image
>so he is an ape with anger management issues.
A being capable of understanding himself and that which is around him, and can understand the consequences of thier actions.
If you see man as nothing more than a angry monkey than that speaks volumes about yourself.
>Lets say you make a software that performs badly and results in loss of life in some hospital or shit. Who will be sued the software or yourself?
False equivalency. A software isn't self conscious and can't take moral decision for itself.
>And you are okay with this bullshit?
Personally I wish non of that shit would happen but they do.
>And still somehow manage to claim moral high ground?
Well in your world view all of that is literally insignificant and probably a good thing, since to you we are nothing but animals.
>both, he wont do anything to correct his imperfect creation AND punishes them in asshole ways on top of everything.
Wrong twice
He's done everything necessary to correct us,its up to us to follow his guide to perfection.
And with free will he lets us do our free will in this life,dont worry tho, we will all get what's coming to us
>Muh interpre your book doesnt make sense and you have to play mental gymnastics to create a narrative, (which is still incoherent)
What par of it is incoherent.

>And I predict that you will keep making up narratives to give meaning to your pathetic existence.
My existence has purpose unlike yours, whee I am a reflection of the creator and you are just a stimuli reacting fleshbag
>Your kind are the weakest and dumbest humans in the planet. Religion has corrupted your brain like a virus
Oh I wish I was a enlightened faggot like you that destroyed Western civilization with you venomous philosophies of death.
Humanist piece of garbage