Were the Nazis really Atheists? Every media representation and my school told me Hitler hated Christianity

They had something like IN GOD WE TRUST engraved on their belt buckles dude.. come on

>God with us
>atheist

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The Nazis are a right wing reaction to the death of God, they were scared of the the leftie reaction to the death of God, Communism.

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Dumb catholic cucks desu

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Because lots of atheists make paintings of Jesus and Mary.

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Lies! Hitler was bedridden and left anxious for after the Pope excommunicated him due to his catholic faith. He was Austrian after all.

I already fucking SAID THAT YOU DUMB FUCKING BURGER REAS THEBFUXKIBGB THRRAD BEFORE YOU POST

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"The will of a single man can change the world"

It's just another jewish lie to get more people to hate Hitler. He wasn't an atheist, But I don't think he was strictly christian either.

Hitler was at least a deist and identified as Christian in public. He found himself at odds with members of both churches, but it wasn't him who started the hostilities.

>IN GOD WE TRUST
It was 'God with us'. 'In God we trust' would be a good motto for an American Nazi Party to put on their belt buckles though.

Were nazis atheists ? Let's find out.

>I take the Bible, and all the evening I read the most simple and the greatest sermon that has ever been given to humanity: the sermon on the mountain. Blessed are those who have suffered persecution in the interest of justice because the kingdom of heaven is at them!
>Christ is the genius of love, as such the one most diametrically opposed to Judaism, which is the embodiment of hatred. The Jew is a non-race among the races of the earth ... Christ is the first great enemy of the Jews ... that's why Judaism got rid of him. The Jew is the personified lie. When he crucified Christ, he crucified the eternal truth for the first time in history.
Josef Goebbles, "Michael : Ein deutsches Schicksal in Tagebuchblattern" (Munich, 1929)

>As we see in Christianity the unshakeable foundation of moral life it is our duty to continue to maintain friendly relations with the Holy See and to develop them.
Adolf Hitler, Speech at Reichtag 1933

>I am personally convinced of the great power and deep meaning of Christianity, and I will not let another religion to be promoted. That's why I turned away from Ludendorff and that's why I reject this book of Rosenberg The Myth of the 20th Century]
Adolf Hitler, speech at Osnabruck 1933

>Mr. Rosenberg's book, "The Myth of the Twentieth Century", is not a publication Party official. In addition, I tell you that the Catholic Church has a vital force which will extend well beyond our life to all of us here.
Adolf Hitler, speech at the Gauleiter in Munich 1936.

>We are a people of different beliefs [Catholics and Protestants], but we are a. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; the question is whether Christianity holds or falls [...] We do not tolerate anyone in our ranks that attack the ideas of Christianity [...] in fact, our movement is Christian.
Adolf Hitler, speech at Passau, 1928

Wow. Why did they never show me this in school?

>For eight months, we have been fighting a heroic struggle against the communist threat of our people, against the rottenness of our culture, the degradation of our art and the contamination of our public morality. We put an end to atheism and blasphemy!
Adolf Hitler, speech of october, 14 1933

>[Acoz interview June 16, 1940] Vigon then came to talk about the attitude of the Roman Catholic Church with regard to Spain. Franco had difficulties, not so much with the Pope himself with the Secretary of State, Cardinal Maglione. The Führer replied that the princes of the Church unfortunately forget that if National Socialism, the Fascism or the Falange had not existed, the Roman Catholic Church would no longer exist in the countries in question. Vigon replied that Franco had used the same arguments in a letter to the Pope, who had been so impressed that he had decided to go more about the substance of things in his answer. But Maglione had stopped him.
Secret archives of the Wilhelmstraße – IX, Book II – The years of war, p.306-307

>[ At the Acoz interview June 16, 1940] The Führer says it was tragic of that while France had achieved the separation of church and state, that a country like Germany pays ten million tax for both denominations, the Vatican has nevertheless always been on the side of France.
Secret archives of the Wilhelmstraße – IX, Book II – The years of war, p.307

>To be a Christian means to love one's neighbor as one's self! My neighbor is my brother race and blood. If I love him I must hate his enemies. Whoever thinks German must reject the Jews. One requires the other. Christ himself saw that love did not always work. When he found the money changers in the Temple, he does not say: "my children, do you love each other"! He took a whip and chased them away. We oppose the Jews because we affirm the German people. The Jew is our most misfortune.
Joseph Goebbels – Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz.
Eher, 1932)

Sounds like we need an /nsg/

>they wore
Who, Hitler? The army soldiers wore them. They weren't atheists.
Also consider that Russia still has gear with USSR symbolism, because its not worth the money replacing it.
If Hitler and his government had the time and resources, I am sure they would've removed christian symbolism from Germany.

I didn’t see anything positive said about Hitler in school, but I still ended up admiring him even before I found out the truth. A true leader

>At the very time when America's allies, the Soviets, were destroying most of the churches in Russia and Ukraine, some 2,500 new churches were built in Germany. Not a single Christian church was closed. It was the law that prescribed the priority of the school and of religion on service to Hitler Youth. Until autumn 1944 again, the Waffen SS barracks in Breslau put two buses at the disposal of young people to the nearest Catholic church or Protestant temple every Sunday. The fact of being affiliated with a Christian community did not hinder the advancement of the national socialist party.
Hans Schmidt, German American Political Action Comittee (GANPAC), 1996

>The most important - and most striking - element [Hitler: Hitler politics] was its anticommunism; but there were also more than occasional presentations of him same and National Socialism as being counter-revolutionary, and even many Positive statements in favor of Christianity.
John Lukacs – Hitler of History (Alfred Knopf, New York, 1997), p.86

>[Von Papen declared that] "the Third Reich was the Christian riposte to 1789", that is to say
to say the counter-revolutionary movement opposed to French illuminism.
John Lukacs – Hitler of History (Alfred Knopf, New York, 1997), p.90

>The great animosity of many nationalists and French monarchists towards Hitlerism is explained by the virulent antichristianity that is lent to it with complacency. The vast majority of German bishops, with the Catholic Zentrum pronouncing its own dissolution, made vote for Hitler. The Rhenish organ of the Zentrum even wrote: "It is necessary that the best heads of Catholicism and mainly the youth are not satisfied of a simple and insufficient adaptation, but devote themselves with passion to the historical task of National Socialism "(Revue des Deux Mondes, 1933, IV, p.774).
Jean-Jacques Stormay – Adolf Hitler, Führer du Troisième Reich

>national socialism
>right wing

it's a meme, if the nazis hated Christianity the SS wouldn't have had field chaplains

>The great British economist Arthur W. Kitson, after an internship a fortnight with him [NdA: Hitler] in Berchtesgaden, wrote to a Canadian, among others things: '' I lived a fortnight in the strictest intimacy with Hitler. It is indisputably a genius. No need to go into details; list the main lines is enough with him. There is one thing I do not like about this man: too many Madonnas and crucifixes in his private apartments, it smells of popery. " Kurt-Wilhelm Lüdecke, a close friend of the early Nazi circle, told Montreal in 1932, even before Hitler was in power: "I was in his intimacy and I heard his confidences. I can speak very well because I am an unbeliever. Hitler has a fancy like all great men. His fancy is the Virgin Mary. He even claims that it is who saved him when he was wounded in the trenches during the war, that he saw her, that she told him he had the mission to save Europe. We must forgive him for this weakness, because if this was not that one, it might be a weakness of a more serious kind. "
Paul Beaumont – Serviam, Political thought of Adrien Arcan (2017)

>All of us, National Socialists, are convinced that the serious illness Germany, we have conquered it; but we still have a lot to do, at each not. Our social conception is not a material theory. It is based not on the interest money, but on the power of happiness. God did not create the world to make one hell (that was still the subject of our conversation this morning with Hitler); but for the happy world, it is for man to have faith that happiness is within his reach, and to put his will according to this faith. This faith ... yes ... to believe ... to believe ... to believe! ... Ich glaube ... Ich glaube ... Ich glaube! ... Believe in God ... Believe in yourself ... Believe in the people ... I believe ... I believe ... I believe in God! ... Yes! I no longer believed in God ... and it was Hitler who made me again to believe in Him. I saw that the bird was singing, even in the storm!
Alphone Van Bredenbeck de Chateaubriant La Gerbe des Forces (1937)

>Yes, Hitler is good. Look at him among the children, look at him on the grave of those whom he loved, he is immensely good and, I repeat it: well, with the perfect conviction that this scandalous affirmation will not prevent the delicious, the incomparable French grapes ripen on the hillsides of Beaugency. In the world, a movement is being formed in these days in which all the essentials of Christianity are expressed: self-forgetfulness, the sacrifice of oneself. National Socialism was a religious outpouring.
Alphone Van Bredenbeck de Chateaubriant La Gerbe des Forces (1937)

>Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died defending Christendom. It is therefore understandable that words can not be found to lament his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. On his mortal remains stands his silhouette victorious. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of victory.
General Franco, addressing the Spanish press on may 3rd 1945, about the news of the death of the Führer.

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This. Every comment about affection to christianity was propaganda, because they had to made due with it. Most people were christians and listened to their priest, if they would have gone against it directly they would have lost support, especially from he right wing.
But they still were at odds with it, and they would have preferred for the church to be just gone.

Oh wait, I thought you meant the were against christianity. Yeah I disagree with this.
Source: my own family

Catholiscism was frowned upon. Ever heard the interview with a former SS soldier who describee that they would destroy crosses in France? But remember that the SS was largely controlled by Himmler who had a great occult interest, as was popular at those times.

Supposed antichristianism of the nazis is part of post war propaganda. Hitler signed the most favorable concordat with the church. I have all the articles of this concordat, but they're in French.

>SS bathed in christian blood
Ever heard of those gas chambers ?

They were, hitler supported some weird sun worship shit as well, but that was more to do with the fact that germans of old worshipped the sun before worshipping god

As I said, it was a political move. They needed the concordat in the first place because they were harassing catholics.

They would break the concordat also constantly, and priests and such would be arrested or sent to a concentration camp if they would no 100% go with the party line (which meant go against catholicism).
It was also suspicious to to go church regularly on sunday.

/Thread. Frog btfo anti christ fags with their"opinions"

>Were the Nazis really Atheists?
They subscribed to non-Christian theism, which was promoted in Germany until the end of the war.
>Hitler hated Christianity.
He hated the terrible aspects of it that helped birth Marxism, among other things.

Does anyone have records of the asylum patients executed by nazis?
Thought there were some documents but I can't find em

>yfw Hitler was literally the second coming and we killed him, failed Gods test and damned us to eternal hell.

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Not the second coming, but he sure was a soldier of Christ.

>He hated the terrible aspects of it that helped birth Marxism
You're so retarded you have no idea. I mean, not even the least bit of philosophical culture-retarded.

>ad hominem
You sure showed me.

Inherent egalitarianism of marxism is the complete opposite of the natural order preached by the Church. Marxism is everything but christian by essence, it's even a reaction opposition to the christian natural order.
Marxism is exactly the deny of the natural order.

The vast majority were obviously christian. Hitler himself had some issues with christian doctrine, but was definitely not an atheist either.

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Don't care about your opinion.

No he wasn't. This is a bs narrative you are trying to create, and american stormfags are sucking it up because they want to believe that.
He had to pay lip service to christianity because like 99% of the people were christian or christian raised. But in practice they had to fight or comprise with christians at every turn.

Hitler was a deist, that is pretty much certain. But he would deny any core belief of the christian faith.

The only core belief of Christianity is that Christ is God.

And he would deny that as well.

>Projecting this hard
Be proud he was of your kin

God i wish mutts could read

You haven't actually presented any evidence whatsoever that Nazi's were anti-christian or even just 'pretended' to be christian for political reasons.

By all appearances they were staunchly pro-christianity.

You're assuming he was lying. Yeah, 99% of germans were christians, and guess what ? Hitler himself was born catholic. Hitler loved his people. Why would he be antichristian when he was trying to help his christian people in the first place ?

Even when the allies interviewed her, his sister said he was a catholic and she wasn't aware of him leaving the catholic faith.

I mean, you're just assuming this because of post war propaganda. It's clear by his political actions that he was christian. Check the concordat with the church, why would he even do a concordat with the church if he wasn't christian ?
Do you believe communists gave a fuck about the faith of the people ? No, they did propaganda against christianity and massacred christians. In Hitler's germany, he reaffirmed the link between germany and the church and put in place a whole collaboration between the church and the state.

I put a load of quotes here to support my claim, and even one about an economist criticizing Hitler on his crucifix and how he believes he was saved by the virgin Marie in the trench.

The only reason of the supposed antichristianism is the release of a book "The Myth of the 20th Century" by Alfred Rosenberg, which was an antichristian book and Rosenberg tried to push it as official nazi litterature, which hitler refused and removed.

>You haven't actually presented any evidence whatsoever that Nazi's were anti-christian or even just 'pretended' to be christian for political reasons.

Any evidence I give Jow Forums will reject.
But I also know this from first hand accounts (see my flag?). Being a staunch catholic or going to church was suspicious, and bordering on an act of defiance (and sometimes it was).

>By all appearances they were staunchly pro-christianity.

lolwhat, open any history book or ask any historian, they would give a very different view.
just google "christianity and hitler" or something
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler's_remarks_to_confidants

But thats all lies/fabricated right?

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They are friends

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>post war writing by somebody trying to save his life
Nice source. Auschwitz commander gave a testimony about gas chambers.

I read it and I don't care about theiropinion.

>Hitler himself had some issues with christian doctrine
Many throughout history have had problems with certain aspects of Christian doctrine, especially when it related to amassing power over the...masses.

Martin Luther is a great example. You may have heard of him. He even wrote a thesis called "The Jews and Their Lies" in 1543. Let that sink in. 400 years before WW2, a dude was writing about how shitty Jews are.

It's the windmill of peace.

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Let me remind you that Hitler married Eva Braun, when everything was lost. Why would somebody pretending to be a christian even marry a woman when he doesn't have to pretend anymore ?

still I have heard that the commie bolshevik party was mostly jews before they claimed to be atheist
can any fellow user back that up cause I don't find no sauces on it.

The jews have been shit since the Pharisees corruption,mr. Sherlock
Hitler and Luther didnt make it first

Hitler loved Islam. He wished that Austria (and other European kingdoms) should have lost Vienna to the Ottomans for Christianity was a peaceful religion while Islam was a warrior religion perfect for the Germanic people.

They also were interested in some weird Pagan stuff it seems. Too lazy to Google rn.

But definitely not atheist.

correction, not loved but admired I guess.

Why the votes in 1932 ? Why not 1933 ?

Hitler cared about national socialism anything divine is in time divine not in humans.

>In response to Nazi propaganda attacks did the 1934 Bishops conference in cologne decide to create " bureau of christian defense"

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I have not yet made it far enough back in history to read up on that. I'll get there. Sheikh Imran Hosein has spoken about that time period and I will listen to what he has to say to guide me in my reading when I'm ready.

>Were the Nazis really Atheists?
lol no.

Hitler did not concern himself antagonizing people by their cults and supernatural beliefs the only truth is nature.

Politicans lie, or have to make diplomatic concessions. He was also allied/buddies with fascist countries (Mussolini, Franco), which were deeply tied to the church.
He also didn't want to go against his people as you said, and full on going against christianity would have meant that.
The concordat and staying in the church were political moves pretty much.
The communists were much more anti-christianity and gave much less of a fuck.

I don't know anything about Rosenbergs book, and my opinion is 0% based on it.

Now you are grasping for stuff. People get married.

>Malachie Martin, whose abundant writings on the Church tend more towards fiction that reality, perhaps has well revealed in his book Decline and Fall of the Catholic Church of significant facts, when he described the conversations between the aged Pope Pius XII and the Cardinal Bea, older still. Malachie Martin had been a young expert with Bea during the first phase of the Council, and it is likely that the old German Jesuit loved in his old days evoking memories of his life with those who had been his collaborators. According to Martin, Pius XII did not stop at the end of his life to ask Bea to respond to this throbbing and terrible question: did Bea think that he, the Pope of the Second World War, had erred in holding that Hitler represented a more serious threat to the world than Stalin? Had he, in the end, chosen the wrong side in the war? Had he Is there a horrible fault? Bea was trying to comfort him: "How could we have known that the Anglo-Saxons would let the Russians go so far? "But that did not comfort Pius XII who repeated: "We should have known".
Mary Ball – The undermining of the Catholic Church, p.33

>If Hitler had really been the antichrist, if he had really opposed religion and Christian civilization, if, in particular, he had hated the Catholic Church, one can be absolutely assured that one would have exalted in him, as one did for Stalin, the crusader heroic. And the crooks, pornographers, Jews and atheists, and Roosevelt and Churchill - openly or secretly - would have supported it, just as they supported Stalin, the the most bloodthirsty anti-Christian monster of all time!
Austin App – Could Hitler have avoided confrontation with Jews ? (The Liberty Bell, août 1978)

nazis were secular tho

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Why would Speer for example lie about this? There was no reason to. There are numerous other accounts as well about this.

>Abroad, especially in the Scandinavian countries, we often meet this statement (sometimes even spread by the clergy) that the Church would be persecuted in the Third Reich. To rectify this error, we indicate here, by way of comparison, the attitude of the State vis-à- Church in the United States, France and Germany. In the United States, churches and their organizations are considered as associations private. They are subject to the general corporate and meeting law. The members of parishes or religious communities must maintain their own priests and their ecclesiastical officials, and collect the dues themselves. Religious education does not take place in schools. Universities have no faculty of theology.
>In France, the State and the Church were separated from 1794 to 1801, and are new since 1905. The fortune of the Church, estimated at 400 to 600 million francs, has been municipalities and the state. Religious education does not exist in schools, and state universities do not have chairs of theology. Churches do not receive financial subsidies from the state, but must be maintained by the faithful. We do not collect taxes for the Church, which does not enjoy financial privileges (tax exemption etc ...). The acceptance of donations is prohibited. Theology students and priests are not exempt from military service.
Johannes Ohquist National Socialism, From origins to War.

You’re sure huh? Cool source.

>In Germany, the churches [NdA: Catholic and Protestant] are associations of law public. The state annually spends many millions of Reichsmarks for the churches and for the salaries of the priests. State contribution services collect taxes for the Church. In the exercise of their functions, priests enjoy the protection of the State like officials. Priests are exempted from the obligation to wear public functions. Income from their office is elusive. They are exempted from military service. Religious education takes place in schools. At universities, there are 17 evangelical faculties and 15 state Catholic faculties, as well as schools theology. Churches are exempt from taxes on donations and on the turnover, as well as property tax. There are religious orders in Germany men with 660 settlements and 15,000 boarders, and female religious orders with 6,000 institutions and 100,000 residents. Religion and religious faith have never been persecuted in the Third Reich. The only thing that the German State forbids clergy is excitement against the state. "
Johannes Ohquist, National Socialism : from Origins to War(P.402-403)

It's like some former nazis were used for post war propaganda or something. Nah, I'm probably paranoid.

they were secular unless you were a jew

>An stelle der loyalitat gegenüber der Kirche sollte die hingebung dem Führer und dem Reich sein

>Instead of loyalty towards the church there was to be a devotion to the Führer and the Reich

Nazis saw the church as a threat bc it wasn't something they could easily influence. any devotion towards something other than the regime was considered dangerous. Christian religion was to be substituted by a "Germanic faith" wich was redirected to give religious authority to the aryan race, further legitimizing the genocide

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A secular state doesn't make a concordat with the Church. A concordat which was called by Raoul Naz, in his Canonical Law Dictionnary, "the most generous of all history of the Catholic Church". Clergy were state workers.

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to what extent did the clergy really control the state though? were they not just social workers?

Nice quote. That was because the nazis tried party to create a national church and also have the clergy under its thumb. Also probably was preussian tradition, But I haven't researched this.

>he only thing that the German State forbids clergy is excitement against the state.

And here we have it, because to be truly a christian would have meant going against or critizising the state. And many did.

Also shit like this.
I'm out btw.

I have the 34 articles of the concordat between the Reich and the Catholic Church. But they're in French.

Here is the wikipedia page about the Reichkonkordat if you're interested : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat#The_concordat

1932 was the election for the Reich President. The three candidates were Paul von Hindenburg, Adolf Hitler, and Ernst Thälmann.

>because to be truly a christian would have meant going against or critizising the state.
Absolutely not. Let me quote you the bible :

>Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
Matthew 22:21

Spiritual life and political life is supposed to be separated in christian faith. I know Catholic Church stepped over this principle centuries ago, though, I have to admit.
But in any case being Christian would mean being against national socialism, a reactionary movement against atheo-antichristian marxism that killed 30 million christians in the 20's 30's.

"The 'Reichskonkordat' between Germany and the Holy See was signed on July 20, 1933 and ratified in September of that year. The treaty was an extension of existing concordats already signed with Prussia and Bavaria[5] "

"Preamble

His Holliness Pope Pius XI and the President of the German Reich [Paul von Hindenburg]"

There goes your narrative. Thanks for playing.

>Hitler wasn't elected Chancellor in January 1933
Alright.

If you actually read the testimony of Rudolf Höss, not to be confused with Rudolf Hess, His testimony looks like it was coerced. To almost all of the questions, he answers with a simple "Yes" or "No" without any elaboration or explanation. Compare to Göring's testimony where he goes into quite a bit of explanation. Höss was barely on the stand for fifteen minutes and the defense didn't even try to cross-examine him. Much later, it was found out that many of the witnesses were threatened to have them and their families shipped off to the Soviet Union if they didn't cooperate.

> Every media representation and my school told me
yeah this makes sence

The swastika design was literally taken from hitler's childhood church, I think it's pretty safe to say the NSDAP were christian.

>Spiritual life and political life is supposed to be separated in christian faith.

Because that means leaving your christian morality out the door when it comes to politcs. Jesus probably only meant in this context "just pay your taxes but pray to god you dumbasses".

>But in any case being Christian would mean being against national socialism, a reactionary movement against atheo-antichristian marxism that killed 30 million christians in the 20's 30's.

or you know, not being for either of them?

Hitler was a devote christian he supported catholic Christendom in his Reich. i don't know of any specific policy he implemented for his fellow Christians but in no way was he an "Aethiest". and i would just like to say user i respect you for going against you Jewish programming and coming here to learn truth and not Jewish media lies

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>Nazi violations of the concordat commenced almost immediately after it was signed. The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.[73] Hitler had a "blatant disregard" for the concordat, wrote Paul O'Shea, and its signing was to him merely a first step in the "gradual suppression of the Catholic Church in Germany".[74] Anton Gill wrote that "with his usual irresistible, bullying technique, Hitler then proceeded to take a mile where he had been given an inch" and closed all Catholic institutions whose functions weren't strictly religious:

No they were pagan.

also user don't listen to these brainwashed detractors Jews are not gods chosen people. and besides those teachings are only found in the old testament.