What are some flaws of ethnic-nationalism?

There is no such thing as ethnic purity and if you exclude people who aren't pureblooded then you get BTFO because your compatriots are too small in number.

1/8 non (insert ethnicity) max

Ethnicity is only a part of nationality. Ethno-nationalism is a matter of blood.

Just tried to lay out to burgerfriend that ethno-state =/= white peoples only land
You are, of course, correct. Blood is thicker than water

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And how you tell french an german apart? What about people who lived on the same spot for generations but borders have changed around them?

Women won't be sexually satisfied. They crave exotic dna

by removing "anti-discrimination" protections
everything else will sort itself out naturally

"France" as a nation is a meme. You could tell the difference between a Frenchman and a German by looking at where their families had lived historically. Peasants can't move around a lot, you see.
>What about people who lived on the same spot for generations but borders have changed around them?
Then you change the borders.

>freedom of association

This. Im seeing that more and more ethnonationalists are agreeing on the 7/8ths rule especially as big brain liberals and the like keep asking what white really is. If someone is 7/8ths white that would be a cutoff for an ethnostate. Most people of European heritage are either 56% goblinos or 100% European anyways.

thats ok. as long as pornography, sexualization of society isnt promoted everywhere, then women wont be nythomaniacs who need foreign sex because they're so desensitized to sex with their own people.
Shun whores etc.
Japan is ethno-nationalist, but also has problems with sexual satisfaction, because its a hardcore pornography obsessed perverted society. Otherwise I wouldnt say women are hard-wired to mate with foreigners, otherwise we'd all be the same colour by now.

>hard-wired to mate with foreigners
They're not, they're hard wired to mate with dominance

Which is why basedboys are de facto letting in the muzzies in Europoor

no, they're letting them in because they're betas (like you say) but because they're too pussy to stand up for their culture and instead gobble up the mainstream narrative of anti-racism etc. Either way, it has the same effect of weeding out the pathetic altruistic naive small wristed bug-man eyed neckbeard leftist white men, when they are butchered when civil war happens. but theres hundreds of millions of red pilled whites in Europe and soon its goona errupt. As for USA, way to niggerfied at this stage with minority of babies born being white lol, so you guys will inevitably need to balkanize, or accept your new Brazil styled shithole.

You're missing the point of those "big brain liberals". How much more white is a Sicilian from a Tunisian when they're phenotypically the same?

Do realize that the original definition of 'white' only included the English and German Saxons? Neither the French, nor the Swedes, nor the Poles or Magyars were white. This hasn't changed.

Why is he playing xbox?

It's their weakness which is promoting their women to take over, which is inviting in the more dominant culture. What's happening in Europe I believe can be directly blamed on feminist leadership.

What are you on about? The point they had was that the definition had no standard. The 7/8ths rule makes it a standard for whiteness or whatever ethnicity you want to talk about. Their goal is to prove that whites cant exist because we cant define white. I say we can.

protip: there are none

It's incompatible with Liberalism of any kind, and good luck finding a non-Liberal anywhere in the US. It's a religion to these people, look up American Civil Religion. Fuckin nutjobs

Is that a real picture?

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Ethno-nationalism is always used in reference to race. Races are not nations. It's crypto-globalism.

Good times create weak men

That is the most critical flaw of all and the mess we are in now is because we didn't solve it. Parasitic elements like jews have a field day with demoralized young people that know of no hardship.

dont assume that just because there is a huge exploit in European politics allowing a flood of human trash, that this human trash is "dominant"
Most are short, skinny buldging eyed Somali men with 80 IQs who could only dominate some burning street in a pack, and would easily be purged once shit hits the fan by some glorious new crusade of European red pilled men.

As for Islam, yea definitely more dominant of a religion than Christianity. But im looking forward to when SHTF, as christianity will need to be revised again like with the crusades, or abandoned altogether to allow us to clean up this mess. The pendulum always swings from one side to the other political spectrum my friend, and this time its going to hit so fucking hard right im gonna get a ticket to europe and help ethnically cleanse the streets. Im 30 so hope that will happen before im 40.

This 2bqh. In all seriousness though the only """danger""" is purity spiraling and restricting the definition of who can be permitted in the ethnostate. However this is just a slippery slope fallacy because actual ethnostates never purity spiralled their own people.

You CAN'T define white. What you are talking about with the 7/8's rule is assimilation into the native population, but "white" as a concept is limited to the English and German Saxons by definition.

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I just did though. 7/8s of European heritage = white.

The next generation of kids takes their beautiful ethnostate for granted, gets bluepilled by foreign media/internet, starts marching for (((diversity))) like it's the 60s

I get your point and I agree, but don't you see it as the masculine vacuum in Europe as attracting the more dominant culture? Feminism as leadership is feeding the feminine culture, which is naturally inviting its own domination.

I am not saying there are no strong men in Europe or that all of the refugees are hyper dominant cave monkeys, but a lot are, even if they are retarded, that usually helps their cause

Because there's shit they don't teach you in school

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Inbreeding due to lack of diversity.
Increased cancer chance due to lack of melanin.
Women more depressed due to lack of sexual stimulation

No big black cock for my gf. I can't satistfy her with my 3 inches

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>european = white
>european
Wow, I underestimated how dumb you are. Do you realize that Europe is not defined by ethnicity or by geography, but by culture?
For example, is Turkey European? Are Turks white? What about Kurds? What about Turks who have historically lived in Thracia, on the Balkan Peninsula? Are Georgians white? Are Grenadians?

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the possibility of falling into jewish style inbreeding due to ethnic isolation.

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true, agreed. its a vacuum, but its not sucking in just the dominant. literally all of humanities worst filth, from Africa and middle east are coming in through this exploit made possible by kikes, bugmen and feminist creeps.
Lets just sit back and let it get bad, watch as Europe learns a hard lesson (and the rest of the west) as they have to do street by street warfare to purge a continent wide chimpout (civilwar) with undesirable "refugees"

I can only wish it happens sooner than later, as the later we leave it the more demographically fucked we are to go up against them who are currently pouring in our nations. So ironically every time you see some crazy leftist shit get pushed via mainstream by some arrogant kikes who keep pushing their luck, rub your hands my friend. Everything will work out in the end :)

>What are some flaws of ethnic-nationalism?
Quite a large segment of the white population are just as impulsive, stupid and as much genetic waste as any other race.
I grew up in a 100% white town and we still had retards, junkies, criminals and degenerates, there were still people who given all opportunity to improve themselves remained economic leeches, fat and willfully retarded. Where I live now is full of white liberals, gays and is still littered with petty white criminals.
The fact the average white IQ is only 100 tells a sad story, almost half the white population are double digit and barely an improvement on whats coming in.

One part of the problem could be fixed fully by enforcing the laws and punishment we already have, simply removing those who would harm others would fix most problems, including the spread of poor genetics. The other issue of dealing with semi-retarded whites who do not want to help themselves is far less comfortable one to face, in the medium term you could remove all gibs that make kids an economic resource to discourage idiocracy levels of stupid breeding but in the long term it may just have to be accepted that a segment of the population will always be a burden.

what are you korean?

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>For example, is Turkey European? Are Turks white? What about Kurds? What about Turks who have historically lived in Thracia, on the Balkan Peninsula? Are Georgians white? Are Grenadians?
No to all of that lol.

You will become this

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>watch as Europe learns a hard lesson (and the rest of the west) as they have to do street by street warfare to purge a continent wide chimpout (civilwar) with undesirable "refugees"

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Does this man fit your definition of white?

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7/8ths. If you have a long line of not being 7/8, youre not white. That goes for many of those groups youre referencing. See? Its hard to be all big brain liberal when theres an answer to that question.

You've been making good points so far.

What is the solution to purity spiraling, if there isn't a feasible one, what's a better solution to ethno-state?

thats when you and I get our tickets ;) lets see the kike media try to ban that "free movement" hahahahaha. Its inevitable i believe. look at history, its like clockwork, and nothing this insane has happened in history where a continent has been flooded by human trash to this extent. Merkels head should have been on a pike in the town square back in 2015

Do her four times and hit her up side the head with a brick.

>300 style cliff purges.

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If you are a shitty ethnicity, you will be surrounded by shitty people.

your ethnicity could be shit

post his DNA results, if any of it comes from outside the red line he isnt European or White

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Let me illustrate something first:
The Turing Test is a test administered to AI to see if they can pass themselves off as being of a higher intelligence. If they can perfectly mimic what a real person acts like, then they are considered to have an intelligence on par with a human's. The philosophy of this test is that if you can't tell the difference between an organic higher intelligence and an artificial one, then is there a practical difference?

The trick to avoid the purality spiral is to administer a similar test onto citizens. If their phenotype is indistinguishable from a native's, then they're as good as one.

For example, you'll be hard pressed to find a genetically pure (inbred) German. All of them will have branches down the line that are Czech, Dutch, or perhaps Spanish. However, their nature as looking and speaking and FEELING German to others will be undeniable. Therefore, if any part of them that is non-German is hidden deep enough away to appear perfectly German, then they might as well be.

Refer to my post here .
Why should a Sicilian be labelled 'White' but not a North African when they look so similar?

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Because Tunisians don't have the same language, culture, or history and even then there's genetic differences.

Fuck off with the deconstruction bullshit.

In genetic science there are two white skinned races. Mongoloids and Caucasians.

Wouldn't this result in the slow denigration of the pure bloodline, as surely the subtle differences wouldn't be noticeable over time and would blend? Or are you saying it doesn't matter if the "test" is fixed and unalterable?

phenotype =/= genotype
Language, culture, and history aren't blood. Simply being from North Africa doesn't impact your phenotype.
"White" isn't literal.
Fixed and unalterable, but that's probably undesirable from a historical perspective as ethnicities inevitably die and evolve. For example, no Italian alive has the same ethnicity as the ancient Romans.

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Okay, so ethno-states are prone to purity spiraling, and it can't be practically combated in a way that isn't destructive nor would you ultimately want to combat it if you could, is this what you're saying?

If so, elaborate if you wish, but that seems to rule out the idea of an ethno-state being the way to go.

Uhh, have you read about the great migration? Just segregate your own ethnicity

2 things.
>Why should a Sicilian be labelled 'White' but not a North African
The goal is not to include as many as people as possible at all costs, there is no numbers game that can compete with the mutt/black races, nor is it anyones intention to kick anyone out of their homelands. Swarthy sicilian mutts have Sicily forever, nobody is inviting them anywhere else or kicking them out of another country.
>they look so similar
Being white is more than aesthetics or vapid interchangeable 'culture'. Light skin, hair and eyes were not the only evolutionary traits naturally selected for in Europe, to survive the European winter you had to have intelligence.
To survive in a part of the world with 4 seasons, 1 of which could potentially be devoid of all food supply, you had to have imagination, anxiety and the confidence to plan for the worst case scenario based upon the extrapolation of past experience that you may have never actually seen but only ever visualised in your head.
Further than that, white people in Europe went through thousands of years of competition against each other for the best clay in Central and Western Europe, further selecting for ingenuity and controlled aggression. This is all assuming people could even survive the diseases of Europe.

>nor would you ultimately want to combat it if you could, is this what you're saying?
No, I'm just saying that ethnic groups naturally change and evolve. People who live on either side of the Polish/Slovak border are closer to each other than to people of their own nationality who live on the other side of the country, simply because their ancestors mixed with the neighbours over the river.
See what I'm saying? It would be silly to hold your citizens to standards from 500 years ago when the status quo has evolved, and not necessarily in a bad way.

I do see what you're saying, but what's your point in regard to ethnic-nationalism?

That's what we're talking about.....

it neglects the explicitly spiritual aspect of the People

Turn America into a picture of Europe then, by your county/state.

Italy will be Florida, Minnesota/Nebraska Scandinavia

What the fuck is your point? How do you specifically define a white person? You are affirming that Sicilians are Sicilian, but you are also calling them mutts even though you included them on your map of who is White. Also, you just said that the point isn't to include as many people as possible, those people you would not include including those mutt Sicilians.

Mixing of ethnicities is OK if the foreign genes are from neighbours.

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>Mixing of ethnicities is OK if the foreign genes are from neighbours.

Seems this is a bad idea for somewhere like the U.S whose founding population was not of the land.

So where do you draw the borders? Because if we go by this standard, eventually, wouldn't African genes end up in Europe if they just kept getting closer?

Brilliant minds can end up excluded for something superficial and outside of their control.

>somewhere like the U.S whose founding population was not of the land.
So? Is there an American ethnicity? tbqh North America belongs to the natives.
>Because if we go by this standard, eventually, wouldn't African genes end up in Europe if they just kept getting closer?
For how long have Africans existed? For how long have they roamed around the interior of Africa? Did light-skinned North Africans stop existing thousands of years ago?
Don't worry man, the logistics are fine.

*black Africans, excuse me

The main problem is Americans.
They tend to forget about what an ethnicity is, a group of people gathered along a common blood (iberian, germanic...) a common history, a common culture And a common heritage, in order to fit their standards under a post-national american empire. White is not an ethnicity, nor a race (there existe caucasoid, congoid, mongoloid... Wich are major anthropologic and genetic clusters, and not only "whites" get into the caucasoid cluster).

It’s not really desirable. The best would be to have globalism but exclude shithole nigger tier countries.

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>How do you specifically define a white person?
The issue you have comes from the terminology, white is a race, within it multiple ethnicities. Just as there are multiple black, poo, arab, native american and oriental ethnicities within those races.
The Sicilian is a Med (of which there are multiple variations), they arent Nordic, Germanic, Anglo, Slav, Britonic, Celt etc but they are all white. Let everyone live in their own lands free of kikery, if you cant tell from my original post I am a purist who would cut the population of Europe by about 50%.

Whatever happened to just being a person?

What do you mean? We are just people, but we're different, and the differences matter.

>white is a race
You become free when you realize that race is a meme.
>The Sicilian is a Med (of which there are multiple variations) but they are all white
Not all Meds are European, you know. The Lebanese are not Arabic, they are Meds. Nevertheless, the would not be traditionally considered 'White'.

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>You become free when you realize that race is a meme.
When we have the technology to genetically engineer a species to the point that all human races are btfo.
Until then, people will never be equal in potential or capability, within a race and more telling between them.

And even if you consider race a meme, why is that an argument against an ethno-state? Theres enough land in the world for everyone, not all celts, meds, germans etc would even choose to live in an ethnostate. Any racial/ethno state could co-exist with multicultural states as neighbours, you or anyone else who doesnt see value in it wouldnt be forced to live in an ethno-state or be threatened by one.
Why does every mongrel on the planet have to live in one small part of Europe, that is already more densely populated than the rest of the planet? Why is the idea of an ethnic state existing outwith established multi-cult states pose so much of a problem for you?

>You become free when you realize that race is a meme.
More like you become cree when ypou realize that niggers, moors por whites are a meme and there exist other anthropologic clusters. As you said, lebanese are caucasian transmediterranids, as well as sudanese are negroid ethiopids and chinese are mongoloid sinids

>You become free when you realize that race is a meme.
More like you become free when you realize that niggers, moors or whites are a meme and there exist other anthropologic clusters. As you said, lebanese are caucasoid transmediterranids, as well as sudanese are negroid ethiopids and chinese are mongoloid sinids

>And even if you consider race a meme, why is that an argument against an ethno-state?
Race =/= Ethnicity
You're a retard if you want to make a state that only allows """whites""".

>You're a retard if you want to make a state that only allows """whites""".
I never said that I do want one state for white people, that wouldnt be an ethnostate.
Why is it such a problem for you anyway? You wouldnt have to live there even if you met the criteria, anybody who didnt explicitly want to be there probably wouldnt be welcome, you will always have Canada to enjoy laughing at the ethno-tards failing from afar.