Brit/pol/: late night no links edition

Stop gambling.

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I don't know, I can't help but think that our politicians just aren't very effective.

>Smokes

Basedboy detected

Killing without due process couldn't possibly backfire.

Smoking is OK.

>deano that compulsively bets on sky casino and brags to his mates at the PPI claims company that he makes more on betting than he loses despite the fact this is mathmatically and logically impossible detected

Eddie is a positive influence on these threads.

>Contributing to the international corporative cartel that is tobacco manufacture.

Have you forgotten your bourgeois-prole dichotomy?

look m8.. me along with the british public are a simple lot, ok ? we see paki terrorists, we want them dead.
bang bang, job done
consequences and all that other bollocks can fuck off

He is usually pretty comfy this time, he talks about how he nearly killed someone.

kek

>Gambling

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Goodbye.

Corporations and private property are the problem, not production.

Carry on then genius.

is this the new JUST hair?

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Yet you still buy cigarettes

>despite the fact this is mathmatically and logically impossible
It clearly isnt. Your defaulting to false absolutes is a sign you have no strength of character and are willing to tell lies to yourself for ideological confirmation.

im dying over here

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>he has never googled the history of tobacco production
youre supporting imperial tobacco

If you think the BBC has right wing bias, listen to radio four for a couple of weeks

How can cigarette production even be viable (and fair) without extortionate prices anyway? Can't he make life easy and just say "Cigarettes are a capitalist invention to keep the proletariat unhealthy and happy, we should boycott them". How does the mind of a Marxist work?

"Hurr u r still alive yet u are a commie checkmate!"
That's not how communism works.

Mate, if you could make more out of gambling than you spend, you're rainman, in which case, you'll be banned from the gambling institution an every institution within a 300 mile radius. You don't fucking see people put their hat on, kiss their girlfriend and kids, pick up a briefcase and say "bye honey, I'm off to work" and go to the fucking bookies do you? Gambling institutions need to make a profit, therefore, statistically, you need to lose more than you gain.

I know about tobacco production. You just don't understand socialism and its aims.

I don't, it's a meme in liberal circles that the BBC is right-wing. I cannot imagine living in such a world.

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Oh good, for a bit I actually thought you were serious

>"Hurr u r still alive yet u are a commie checkmate!"
>That's not how communism works.

Not my argument at all, can you at least try.

Have all the trip tumours been sent to bed early by their mummies tonight?

Please don't make me go through this again. I've drank like 7 cans of Kronenburg right now. Just read the fucking book.

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Avoid justifying a somehow state owned tobacco production system then, that avoids all 'exploitation'.

>Mate, if you could make more out of gambling than you spend, you're rainman, in which case, you'll be banned from the gambling institution an every institution within a 300 mile radius.
You could place one bet your entire life, win, then never gamble again.
>despite the fact this is mathmatically and logically impossible
Is clearly false and again it only serves to highlight how weak your reasoning is if you need to create absolute positions to rally against, which throws the rest of your positions into question.
What other leaps in logic have you had to make to see the worlds problems in absolutes and dichotomies?

what's 'other'?

There are people in this thread right now that believe driving licenses are a good idea

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>absolutes and dichotomies
never understood this, I find a lot more joy in observing people and deducing, then reading works of someone who lived in a completely different social situation, almost 200 years ago.

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>I know about tobacco production. You just don't understand socialism and its aims.
Socialist aims are unrelated to your mental gymnastics, you are directly supporting a corrupt and exploitative network you claim to know about for no other reason than you enjoy it. Its not like food, water or other technology, its not something you need to survive.
Why have you not stopped smoking, then formed a collective to buy land and start your own ethical tobacco plantations?

What would you propose?

Everyone kill themselves and rid the planet of humanity

andrew neil is the only rightwinger and that's a stretch. regardless, he's one of the few committed to fairness and impartiality so even if he was a commy, i wouldn't object to him being on there.

Fair enough

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how long does 4000 tournaments take?

Starting with you pal on you go

why are you being nasty at this time?

I'll justify it: the workers want it, therefore its produced.

>that avoids all 'exploitation'.
The fundamental character of capitalism is that labour is collectivized, as in, you are employed by someone to make shit for someone you will never meet. and if you have a product, say like a screw, that product was created through the labour of many, say, one to mine the metal, one to process the ore, one to melt the metal and shape it into a wire, one to operate the machinery that twists it and so one. That screw is a conglomeration of many people's labour, made for someone they will likely never meet. This is collectivization of labour. However most of the value of that collective labour, doesn't go back to the workers, it goes to a group of people, the capitalists. Hence, capitalism is collectivist in labour, private in distribution. This has the side effect of numerous contradictions, a flawed system and most of the wealth going to a minority of people who also accumulate all the power. This is how the bourgeoisie exploit the proletariat.

In socialism, the state takes control of the productive processes mostly, anything else is collectivized. In this transition, labour is collectivized, you're still making things for people you may never meet with many other workers, but distribution is collective rather than private, in that the state uses your produce to provide the proletariat with things like culture, healthcare, housing, education and so on. This continues until gradually, the entire world is socialist and the culture has changed so much people are used to this and the need for a state withers away, leading to communism.

Sorry I couldn’t resist, just a joke pal I think you’re great

That's since 2010.

>Everyone kill themselves and rid the planet of humanity
this is a far left ideology

To be fair I was thinking 'You go first mate', bit I didn't post it.

No, everyone dying is a byproduct not an aim of far left ideology

Yeah I dived in

This is great and all, but shoving this square peg into society generally fucks things up big time, doesn't it? Like when your precious works start sleeping in British Leyland factories, covering for each other because they know they can get away with.

But are you serious about driving licenses'?

Well yeah you could, I admit that. But over a certain number of games, you're always likely to fail more than you win and even you do they'll ban you.

>only serves to highlight how weak your reasoning is
Alright, you know what fine. Everyone in the world should make one bet in their life time and then statistically they'll still fucking lose.

Socialism isn't asceticism you know. Also, there is no "ethical consumption" under a capitalist system. If I had the capital to buy land for tobacco plantations, then surely I am growing this tobacco with the aim of profit to keep the "co-op" or business or whatever going and hence I need to exploit workers.

Its not a "square peg" at all.

>like when your precious works start sleeping in British Leyland factories, covering for each other because they know they can get away with.
Socialism doesn't mean you can just do whatever the fuck you want at work, there's still rules.

Nah

We propose a new machine

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>Socialism doesn't mean you can just do whatever the fuck you want at work, there's still rules.

Lmao yeah like if you don’t mine x amount of coal per day like fucking stackinov we shoot you are your family

*Alexsei Grigoryevich Stakhanov

That literally never happened. The average USSR citizen worked 40 hours a week. Overtime was actually very hard to come by.

Also, Stakhanov was based.

>Its not a "square peg" at all.

>A system that works
vs
>A system that never has

You're making a positive claim here. Corporations are extremely regrettable, but would you really boil the skin off a small business owners hand because of his role in exploitation? do you really believe that a small business owner that knows everyone in his community is doing wrong? do you think he is involved in this dichotomy?

Stop being so misanthropic.

It literally did happen, working conditions were nightmarish

I’m not even going to argue with you about this I can’t be bothered

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>a system that never has
>beat nazi germany almost single-handedly and became one of the only two superpowers of the world without the ruthless imperialism of the US

>but would you really boil the skin off a small business owners hand because of his role in exploitation?
Err... I wouldn't boil the skin off anyone's hand. Also, small business owners are different from capitalists. They are petite-bourgiesie and much of their own labour goes into their enterprise, sometimes more than their own employees. These are not the people marxists call "the ruling class".

No it wasn't. If anything, soviet union workers were allowed to be more lazy than their western counterparts.

Fuck off king mong

I'm not replying to you anymore

Lads, is there such a thing as a Jow Forums overdose? I think this place might be the source of my depression.

Temper temper.

>2018
>labour theory of value
there's a helicopter waiting for you

Bob the Baker makes cookies and sells them for £1. His profit is 10p.
Carl the Commy buys Bobs cookies and sells them for £1.10. Has he stole anyone's labour?
Chris the Capitalist buys Bob's cookies and sells them for £5. Has he stole anyone's labour?

>I think this place might be the source of my depression.
Its not but it might be perpetuating it
It is possible to overdose on Jow Forums like its possible to overdose on any distraction.

What are your habit son here like and what content is it you reply to the most?

>When you think your workers will start writing poetry with all their free time

>When they actually just start leasing cars they cant afford and drinking all the time.

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Labour theory of value has never been disproved.

>Bob the Baker makes cookies and sells them for £1. His profit is 10p.
Yeah but that's assuming Bob the Builder owns the means of production. He doesn't.

Its more like Chris the Capitalist owns the means of production. Therefore, Bob the Builder can't make the cookies, or access the means of living because the means of production have been taken from him by Chris the Capitalist. Therefore, Bob the Builder is forced to sell his labour to Chris the Capitalist because he has no other choice. Chris the Capitalist takes Bob the Builder's labour, and then sells it, while giving Bob the Builder just enough back that he can survive while Chris the Capitalist gets the majority of the value back.

And don't even try and pretend like this is natural or "just human nature". The painful and bloody birth of the proletariat was sudden, deliberate and happened right here in Britain. We can pinpoint it to the enclosure movement.

I followed the progress of that group for a while to see what their plan of action was for Britain and lost interest after 2 years. What are they up to now? Have they grown any bigger?

>this is natural
But inequality is natural

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Mainly I lurk but occasionally engage in some threads. Brit/pol/ and religious threads spring to mind firstly and I think these threads are heaping a whole load of nihilism on me, it's seriously fucking up my point of view.

how hard is it to get perscribed valium/diazepam or other sleeping pills lads? preferably valium though, i don't want to put some nu-shit in my body if i can avoid it.

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Marx and Engles never for argued for equality as we know it today.

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I would have thought valium would be extremely hard to get.

Hey do you think you could be a CEO? Is it an easy job? What hours do you work at the moment?

Do you visit any other boards?

Well realistically we are completely fucked so y’know suck it up

Loads in space