First of all, it's "fewer" ya autist.
Secondly, this talking point has been used by leftists repeatedly in response to the outrage about the Philadelphia sanctuary city policy recently leading to the rape of a child because of an illegal they let go (Mark Steyn filling in for Tucker discusses it here: youtube.com
They reference this particular study: cato.org
It's fairly short, it was bipartisan, and (surprisingly) they don't fuck up the per capita part.
So Jow Forums, tell me how this study is a complete sham and a manipulation of the truth.
"Illegal immigrants commit far less crimes than native-born Americans and make America safer."
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They all commit crimes if theyre working without paying taxes...
correcting people's english when it's already correct is super fucking gay user.
overprescriptivisim, look it up
An illegal immigrant has committed a crime just by being here. Every single one is a criminal. It is impossible for an illegal immigrant to be innocent of crime because it is, be definition, a criminal.
>First of all, it's "fewer" ya autist.
Shut up, faggot. Try thinking for yourself sometime instead of parroting other retards:
en.wikipedia.org
>However, descriptive grammarians (who describe language as actually used) point out that this rule does not correctly describe the most common usage of today or the past and in fact arose as an incorrect generalization of a personal preference expressed by a grammarian in 1770.[1][2][3]
>Less has always been used in English with countable nouns. Indeed, the application of the distinction between less and fewer as a rule is a phenomenon originating in the 18th century. On this, Merriam–Webster's Dictionary of English Usage notes:[1]
>As far as we have been able to discover, the received rule originated in 1770 as a comment on less: "This Word is most commonly used in speaking of a Number; where I should think Fewer would do better. 'No Fewer than a Hundred' appears to me, not only more elegant than 'No less than a Hundred', but more strictly proper." (Baker 1770).[12] Baker's remarks about 'fewer' express clearly and modestly – 'I should think,' 'appears to me' – his own taste and preference....Notice how Baker's preference has been generalized and elevated to an absolute status and his notice of contrary usage has been omitted."
yeah, and if my grandpa had three balls, he would be a flipper.
This is kind of unfair because blacks commit much more crime than other ethnicites and greatly inflates the number for "native born".
Another thing is that the 2nd generation usually is more criminal than the first one.
They admit In their own fucking study they did a mediocre job of identifying who in their analysis are actually undocumented. Study was garabage
>per 100,000 people
But how many of those people are native born, and how many of those people are illegal immigrants? If only 10,000 of those people are illegal, and committing that percentage of the crimes, then person for person they are committing far more crimes.
If 10% of the population commits 50% of the crimes, that percentage of the population is worse by far. If 10% of the population is committing anything more than 10% of the crimes, than they are committing a disproportionate amount of crimes
FURTHERMORE, every ILLEGAL immigrant is committing a crime BY THE INTRINSIC NATURE OF THEIR STATUS
okay who gives it shit it was to be cheeky, focus on the main point
In case Leaf OP can't understand this graph
The "label" Native-born lumps in together Blacks, Hispanics and Whites and unsurprisingly leads to a number much higher than if whites were left alone.
Furthermore, if you isolate hispanic homicide rates you'll notice they're actually very close to illegal immigrant homicide rates.
By this logic, I assume we will be flooding South Africa with immigrants from white or Asian countries any day now, right? If we can justify illegal immigration by the fact that they commit less crimes than natives, then everything they hate (colonialism, gentrification, etc) is not only permissible but desirable.
>First of all, it's "fewer" ya autist.
Poor grammar is not a symptom of autism.
The reason for (((needing))) sanctuary cities was that illegals were afraid to report crime to the police. Does the study compare crime levels in sanctuary cities vs non-sanctuary cities?
It's per 100,000 of their respective populations. That's what I meant with
>surprisingly they don't fuck up the per capita part.
and
>every ILLEGAL immigrant is committing a crime BY THE INTRINSIC NATURE OF THEIR STATUS
yeah obviously. I agree ofc, but that is a self-evident observation and clearly isn't the substance of the discussion though.
There’s 10 people in a room.
Five are white.
Two are Mexican.
Two are black.
One is an undocumented immigrant.
Two of the white guys commit a crime. One of the Mexicans, one of the blacks, and the undocumented immigrant commit a crime.
40% of the whites committed a crime. 50% of the Mexicans and the blacks committed a crime, and 100% of the undocumented immigrants committed a crime.
But, two white people committed a crime, whereas only one person from the other groups committed the crime. Therefore, the white people are the worst.
absolutely based
How do they know how many illegal immigrants are here and how many crimes go unreported?
This is true. The rate is 100%
Oh, sorry. These are statewide data for Texas. Isn't Cali a sanctuary state? Compare these two, and then report results.
They don't, which is why any findings from this "study" should be taken as a rough estimate AT BEST, a naive fiction in actuality
Yeah, but the nogs we have are the same we've always had. The are not a threat in the way immigrants are
Not to mention either the crimes of tax evasion by not declaring cash income or identity theft by using a stolen SSN #.
Can people start reposting this or something? Maybe improve it and give it copypasta status? I feel like even this small thought experiment, and proving how leftist statistics work, will be a pretty effective red pill.
Native born includes niggers
Because its based on self reporting and illegals dont self report as illegals
This needs to be reposted over and over and over and over until every last person knows that it is before even reading. Before even thinking.
This. The criminal recidivism is AT 100%. Every day they wake up is them relapsing into criminality.
The whole "Illegal immigrants commit far less crimes than native-born Americans" is stupid to begin with because it "native-born Americans" include Blacks and native born Mestizos. Illegal immigrants commit far more crime than White (real) Americans, and that's all that matters.
This just proves Asians are superior
>undocumented immigrant
>somehow have crime statistics on them
If you had the information to document this information, wouldn't you just deport them?
Liberals are silly.
Woah woah woah.
You can't say that!
These hate facts just fuel bigotry and xenophobia towards Native Americans!
And absolutely none of them are driving unlicensed, unregistered vehicles, or committing hit and runs, no no no..
100% of illegal immigrants are already criminals
>Sneaking through borders=violation of immigration laws
>Working/earning any sort of income=violation of labor laws and tax evasion
>Using forged documents and credentials to obtain employment and social services=felony id theft, making false statements on government documents, and theft of services
>Not leaving/coming back after a deportation order=become a fugitive from the law for all of the above and anyone hiding you is charged with harboring a fugitive
>So Jow Forums, tell me how this study is a complete sham and a manipulation of the truth.
i don't know but comparing spic crime rates to a population that includes niggers isn't really fair. how about you compare illegal alien crime rates to white americans?
Leftist bullshit.
Shocking that it comes from a Leaf.
No human being is illegal. Not an argument.
REKT OP
They are trying to undermine using crime as a justification to keep them out, and this almost removes that cover for people who can't bear to be racist philosophically.
But not quite. It's going to cause a war if they keep coming. War's crime enough.
>No human being is illegal.
Oyy veyy goyim. Fuck laws and borders and shit. Remember the death camps.
It's a counter argument to the rhetoric that illlegal immigrants are coming here to do crime--beyond tresspassing--which isn't the case.
Illegals can be killers, rapists, thieves, but no more than the rest of society.
Any other argument is going beyond the scope, and into racial territory, which is taboo.
Of course human beings can be illegal. Simply outlaw someone and they are.
So, then wouldn't the countries the illegals are from, such as Mexico, be a crime free paradise?
Oh sorry, forgot they still have to use the "fleeing from crime and violence" excuse when they apply for refugee status.
>No human being is illegal
No one said they were. Their citizenship status is. Quit trying to conflate words hoping that Americans are fundamentally retarded.
This. Try going to traffic court in any big city in Texas. Any day of the week. It takes literally hours to work through all of the no license, no insurance, no registration, no english cases. They just let them pay the fine and go home.
>native born
>lumping blacks and whites together
anybody has a lower crime rate than africans
How about just keeping illegals out so that there are less crimes overall? I don't care if they commit 'less' crimes. They are still adding to crime.
>conviction rates
because illegals are deported when they are captured, they aren't convicted of anything unless the circumstances are severe
/thread
>illegals are deported when they are captured
I fucking wish
>conviction rate
Arrests would probably be more appropriate
White males should be deported immediately. They’re so dangerous to persons of color that they should be sent to their own land, far away from the innocent mexicans. Very far away. As far as possible. For the safety of the immigrants!
Also because they broke the law to come any crime other people commit due to their presence, such as if a nog loses their job and holds up a gas station because their employer saw an opportunity to get a more reliable illegal immigrant, that increase in crime rate can be legitimately pinned on illegals as a group
STOP THIS HURTS!
fewer just sounds better
Someone call the undertaker.
OP is fucking ded
>tfw
>No human being is illegal
China's one child policy my dog.
Literally illegal humans.
There's a Sci-fi film about it with the green goblin from spiderman and everything.
>Ilegal immigrants
>Illegal
>Another thing is that the 2nd generation usually is more criminal than the first one.
source?
No
I want to see the stats when african americans are removed from the data.
>undocumented immigrants commit less crime
but being undocumented IS a crime. That means 100% of undocumented immigrants commit crimes.
The human isn't, but their immigration is. Now go back.
No it can be econimical as well importing poor people increases crime so undocumented ones already show their willingness to fit that bill.
/thread
Economical*
He's right of course, no human can be illegal, it doesn't make any sense. However, a persons presence somewhere, including anywhere in an entire country can be illegal.
>trespassing isn't illegal
Night was shit btw.
>illegals commit less crime
>sanctuary city
If they don't ask people their immigration status, how do they know they're illegal?
>oh wow, these 10 million illegals commit slightly less murders than the 340 million people that were born here....
The way Cato, which is a open border organisation, comes up with these numbers is that they use the very limited data available and they extrapolate from it. Both the DNC and the RNC, especially RINOs, want more Hispanic immigration and de facto open borders. Many of them are actual true believers and many of them don't care what it does to the country as long as they find a demographic edge to win reelection.
Neither the DNC nor the RNC want real, complete data to come out. Very few major cities comply with federal requirements to compile complete crime data with regard to race/ethnicity and legal status.
See this article to get an idea of how hard it is to find accurate data:
Then look at this study that looked a multi decade data from the city of Phoenix:
papers.ssrn.com
The city of Phoenix fought the release of this data. They kept accurate data for decades and illegals commit crime at much higher rates than citizens. Astronomically higher than Whites. The city denied FOIA requests and only after a lawsuit did they finally release this data.
Finally look at this data from CIS:
They don't make America safer.
But they do commit less crime.
Why? Because a lot of native american communities are dirt broke, have little education, are neglected by government services and are full of a people so broken by what's happened to them that they spiral into depression and destroy themselves and any chance of avoiding crime.
Broken english is cancer.
>illegal aliens are almost identical to the hispanic rate
Really makes you think.
That wasn't quite the connection they shitlibs were making. They were alleging that right wingers were fearmongering irrationally on account of illegals being in America generally, using the sanctuary city case a means of stoking this fear.
The data they obtained for the study they reference is from Texas (which I learned today is 45% non hispanic White) to attempt to prove that illegals are less violent than natives.
>surprisingly they don't fuck up the per capita part
do you read?
This, more or less.
youtube.com
This video breaks everything down. California has shoddy numbers ON PURPOSE. It's similar to how countries are stopping race reporting because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative.
Native born includes blacks, mystery solved.
Try again.
that's really good information. Thank you!
Those illegal immigrant homicide rates would be zero if they weren't here. It would need to be zero for anyone arguing that they should stay.
Not citizens, native americans.
Sorry I thought were talking about indians.
based random critical analysis blog, literal fucking red pilled knowledge being dropped.
The racial composition of a county is the #1 predictor of crime rate, the family composition is #2. Socioeconomic status is a VERY DISTANT 3rd.
It's emotional based from their perception.
Including the bullshit the MSM pushes on them. They think they're pieces of shit in the eyes of an American, that depresses them, then they commit crime.
An out of control downward spiral. And it's not fixable.
>The racial composition of a county is the #1 predictor of crime rate, the family composition is #2. Socioeconomic status is a VERY DISTANT 3rd.
see I don't deny that.
But also see I dun goofed with the phrase "native-born american".
They all committed a crime by coming here.
Illegal immigrants are more likely to go over the border when they commit a crime so they don't get convicted which is what this is measuring
Feeling real proud that I live in Vermont right now.
Sorry if someone pointed this out or if it doesn't actually make any difference to the findings, but it says 'criminal conviction' rate, wouldn't it stand to reason that its harder to get a criminal conviction on an illegal alien. Also this study is tossing all native born into a one pile, including whites, blacks, legal Hispanics that are now citizens and possibly children of illegal aliens, the pink bar represents 'native born' not 'legal-citizen' and children of illegal aliens, particularity poorer ones tend to have just as high of a crime rates, particularly those close to the border & when Hispanic gangs are involved
>having Bernie as your senator