Jow Forums communism general

And not at all communist, especially if we are using the absence of a state to define real communism.

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One can be for better treatment of workers, yet against the murder of school teachers and poets.

Communism has been rightly consigned to vague memory.

>What are non-wage benefits

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Marxists are fucking scum. Gas yourself leftist kike rat.

>One can be for better treatment of workers, yet against the murder of school teachers and poets.
You a democratic socialist then user?

but what about us normies who really enjoy making our employers rich?

China really gained momentum when they ditched communist nonsense. Today China is closer to facism than anything marx or lenin would want.
Communism gave China only dead sparrows.

Same here; laughed like a weasle

When do we get to the part where they find gold inside the bigger lepperachauns head?

Hello cucks. This general is for the discussion of Cuckoldry, the ideology of revolutionary open relationships and sexual desire.

Cuckoldry is the next stage of relationship following the monogamy.

What exactly is cuckoldry according to cucks:

>Cuckoldry is a stage of relationship in which the reproductive means of the wife are bull-owned, and husband gets to bed not in order to have sex with her but to prep the bull.
>Cuckoldry in it's full form is a pleasurably degrading, bull-worshipping relationship that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a relationship cuckoldry teaches us that we must replace the standrad marrige, which is controlled by the husband and a wife, by a cucked relationship, which is controlled by the bull. Then, a period of prepping follows in which the bull is pleasured by the cuck. When the bull class has been prepped, there will be time for wife to get mounted by the bull, and eventually the functions of the husband will become indistinguishable from the functions of a porn shot fluffer, and his genitalia will 'wither away' as Marx said.

I don't have any websites but i'm pretty sure OP can help me with that.

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No, I'm a national socialist, like any right-minded man should be.

Communism does not have a monopoly on workers and their rights.

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Back in da day WE WUZ KANGZ we travel da stars and oda planetz in our space MELANOID ships an shiet.

Woke thingz u need to now to be WOKE

>Dr. Seuss, dat cracka with da rhymes iz da prophet of Satan
>Honkeys wuz made by black science manz as soldiers for fightin our wars for us. But dey rebeled. But ANCIENT BLACK MELANID MAN was wise an shiet and gave honkeys tiny dicks so honkey bitches will allways prefere a nigga.
>Rapture will be raptors (like dem dinosaurs) fallin from da sky and eating honkeys.
>Star Wars an Predator? Tottaly happened. Stay Woke.
>Da Earth is eampty inside an shiet.
>Aborted babies don't be dyin. They are flushed down da toilet an live in da sewers.
>Honkeys drink ya blood.

Resources a nigga need:

msta1913.org/
utravioletholocaust.wordpress.com/
moorishsociety.org/
kfc.com

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Ocasio-Cortex = Zionist sellout
youtube.com/watch?v=0Wr3QszPtq0

What're your thoughts on progressing to socialism via capitalistic means?

> No, I'm a national socialist, like any right-minded man should be.

> Communism does not have a monopoly on workers and their rights.

What rights does National Socialism guarantee workers?

Ask the democratic socialists

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformism

Thank you for this condensed crap hashish of the Manifesto.

I like to be reminded daily that lefty cum goblins aport nothing to society save for the function of social anchors, and providing a social dumpster to where dispose of the chaff.

"overtake US by 2020"
a better term would be "collapse by 2020"

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The people come first. A worker ought to be able to provide, alone, for his family; thereby solidifying the nuclear family.

For example, the DAF
> stated its aim was 'to create a true social and productive community'.[1] Theoretically, DAF existed to act as a medium through which workers and owners could mutually represent their interests. Wages were set by the 12 DAF trustees. The employees were given relatively high set wages and security of employment, and dismissal was increasingly made difficult. Social security and leisure programmes were started, canteens, breaks, and regular working times were established, and German workers were generally satisfied by what the DAF gave them in repayment for their absolute loyalty.

Poland on a Crusade! Godspeed, son.

Leave it to the Polish to make fun of communism. They were forced to suffer it for decades. They know how to fuck with wet pussy neo-marxist.

From a Leftist Doublethink thread

>Human nature is a social/economic/historical construct. Using appeals to nature are stupid.
>Homosexuality/Transsexuality/Anarchism/Communism/Free Love are natural. Thus, everyone should reject the unnatural aspects of capitalist society to come to a more natural state.

>Genetic/Racial determinism are utterly wrongful.
>But socioeconomic determinism is fine

>Marxian/Socialist economic/social/historical theory is a fine and good source of knowledge or inspiration.
>But those other authors, political trends, and ideas from the 19th Century and before, no, those are totally invalid, reactionary trash. Not relevant at all today.

>Capitalism has been tried before, and it's failed! Look at this Porkie meme, you deluded bootlicker! Rich people are evil!
>But we'll use socialism, and democracy into the economic system. REAL DEMOCRACY. REAL SOCIALISM. REAL COMMUNISM

>All consciousness besides class consciousness are evil ploys of capitalists.
>Racial/Gender/Sexual identities are valid and perfectly complimentary to the class struggle (I understand this can be flipped to critique the right, but still...)

>Individualism is a foul manifestation of capitalism.
>But the end goal of communism is complete individual liberation

>Dialectic Materialism is a completely valid historical theory.
>Those other uses of Hegel, validating German Monarchism and Liberalism as THE INEVITABILITY. No, those are wrong interpretations, fascist.

>We need to fight for human rights
>Human rights are historical contrivances made up by capitalists.

>Poor people are exploited by ebil rich people.
>No, value is not subjective. The point on rich my exploitation theory is laid out on is built on sound Dialectical and Historical theory...

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>Communes and Community-based forms of economic and social organization are best. With no hierarchy, no ownership.
>Customs? Authority? No, those are too oppressive/reactionary. Everyone, everywhere will wholly conform to the principles of Leninism/Hoxhaism/DeLeonism/Maoism/Techno-Titoism in order to live free lives liberated from them. Enforced by everyone on everyone! No state needed.

>The proles are exploited by evil capitalists.
>Millionaire Musician is exploited by the Millionaire record exec a block away.

>Workers of the world unite! All other differences are artificial byproducts of evil tricky capitalists!
>No, Joe Bob factory worker there doesn't have more in common with Jim Bob flower shop owner, his bonds with Chang the Toy Factory worker are stronger and more real than that!

>The schools turn everyone into foul capitalist drones. Prussian education is wrong.
>Teach the children to fuck one another, for progress! Liberate them for the sake of their future!

>Don't buy into that Capitalist hit peace from the Mises institute, they are evil exploiters!
>Here, look at this AFL-CIO article!

>Dumbass Christians, thinking that Jesus will come from the sky and lead them into an eternal, blissful state on Earth.
>You see, the robots will magically make all work obsolete, allowing INEVITABLY the overthrow of the capitalists, to a perfect state of luxurious liberation after! It's totally right! Totally scientific!

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livejournal.com/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
livejournal.com/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

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It has to be some Canadian or Belgian starting these threads. Poland-bro is spot-on.

Remember, kids: Communism kills.

If theres anything I support, its anti-communism. Undebatebly the absolute worst idea ever to momenterily occur in someones head.

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> implying China is communist in any way

Gucci.

>not real communism

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> he hasn't been to China
It is literally the least Communist country on the planet.

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You mean a ton of capitalist money and market liberalization doesn't do more than 100 Million Dead Chinks and Sparrows?

I have some questions about communism and if I were to support it, how my life would be affected:

Under communism, will I be able to keep my daily driver, my track car and my hunting & fishing rig (offroad vehicle for getting to isolated spots in state forests etc;)?

Will I still be able to buy aftermarket parts to tune my track car, and will state and national level motorsport still exist for me to participate in and spectate?

Will state forests remain open for hiking, offroading, fishing, hunting and camping? I don't care if national parks become closed.

Final question, will I still be able to buy land in the countryside to raise chickens and goats and grow vegetables and build a decent garage to play around with my cars?

> buy land
> communism
Pick one.

Hello amigos. This general is for the discussion of Spainfag, the larping, basement-dwelling originator of daily autistic commie threads

Spainfag is the next stage of cuckoldry who follows the failed idea of communism

Who exactly is Spainfag according to everybody who sees his threads:

>Spainfag is an unemployed /leftypol/ drain on society who advocates for gibs cuz he is too lazy to work. He has never produced anything and is thus a waste of resources. He preaches “from each according to their ability and to each according to their need” because he has no abilities and needs to die
>Spainfag in it's full form is a sperging, no class cuck that follows the maxim “lalalala I can't hear your logic” and argues anything you say with cringey pedo memes that are poorly photoshopped to support communism
>To achieve such a high level of autism Spainfag must have been dropped on his head as a baby and been molested by family. His mind is now controlled by the zionist-communist class. A struggle will occur in which the people finally fight back and the zionists will be liquidated by the working class. When the zionist class has been completely vanquished, there will be many classes based on peoples' individual abilities and work ethic, and eventually the functions of the state will become minimized to ensure a free market with low taxes which benefit society as a whole, and the welfare state as such will 'wither away'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Spainfag uses a philosophy called retardation, see here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

It is recommended to sage Spainfag threads and post anti-commie memes for maximum keks. Hoppean snake & Pinochet helicopter memes, and factual anti-commie infographs work best

Resources:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe
kikebook.com/HoppeanSnakeMemes/
youtube.com/watch?v=8xBsJUYySNo

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Nature Connected and Determined
Contrary to metaphysics, dialectics does not regard nature as an accidental agglomeration of things, of phenomena, unconnected with, isolated from, and independent of, each other, but as a connected and integral whole, in which things, phenomena are organically connected with, dependent on, and determined by, each other.

The dialectical method therefore holds that no phenomenon in nature can be understood if taken by itself, isolated from surrounding phenomena, inasmuch as any phenomenon in any realm of nature may become meaningless to us if it is not considered in connection with the surrounding conditions, but divorced from them; and that, vice versa, any phenomenon can be understood and explained if considered in its inseparable connection with surrounding phenomena, as one conditioned by surrounding phenomena.

J. V. Stalin September 1938

Dialectical and Historical Materialism

Always check for this. dog bless this copypasta

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A stateless society breaks down in the conceptualization phase leading to any attempted implementation resulting in a small oligarchy running a totalitarian state. This will happen every time communism is attempted as it is a retarded ideology that will never work.

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is this the jew meetup thread? I'm getting hammered out there comrades

I just read through OPs post and this is the thing that really bothered me - how do you redistribute anything to the needy without a state? Won't those organising the logistics of redistribution essentially hold power over society? I worry that this period would inevitably be exploited by psychopaths as has happened every other time the revolution was executed.

Why is it that commies hate the only form of socialism that works? I mean considering Hitler killed about as many Jew's as Stalin did or is it because Hitler didn't try to wipe out his citizens too like Stalin did?

Don't worry. Communism doesn't make sense to anyone else either.

Well what about the other questions? And if I work hard (I work hard as fuck in a complex blue collar job and make a fair bit now) will the state simply give me a bit of land? I just like to know where my food comes from, that it's natural and the animals were raised and dispatched in a way I see fit. Also I need the garage because cocksuckers in my neighbourhood almost run over my legs when I wrench out in the street

Let's not forget how Marxism-Leninism proved itself against Fascism in the most definitive arena of humanity - war.

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You don't 'earn money' under communism. All profits and wages go to the state; you get the state-mandated food supplies. And fuck-all else.

You have zero right or ability to 'buy' *anything*.

>Still socioeconomic reductionism

You proclaim it free of metaphysics, despite the fact that it is mainly Hegel's idealist philosophy hacked onto bad Whig History.

Yet, it is somehow superior to all other historical systems and viewpoints of similar holistic pretensions.

By almost losing while they were allied with the rest of the developed world. Gj.

I think Russia won *despite* communism, not because of it.

Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of the Marxist-Leninist party. It is called dialectical materialism because its approach to the phenomena of nature, its method of studying and apprehending them, is dialectical, while its interpretation of the phenomena of nature, its conception of these phenomena, its theory, is materialistic.

Historical materialism is the extension of the principles of dialectical materialism to the study of social life, an application of the principles of dialectical materialism to the phenomena of the life of society, to the study of society and of its history.

When describing their dialectical method, Marx and Engels usually refer to Hegel as the philosopher who formulated the main features of dialectics. This, however, does not mean that the dialectics of Marx and Engels is identical with the dialectics of Hegel. As a matter of fact, Marx and Engels took from the Hegelian dialectics only its "rational kernel," casting aside its Hegelian idealistic shell, and developed dialectics further so as to lend it a modern scientific form.

"My dialectic method," says Marx, "is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, ... the process of thinking which, under the name of 'the Idea,' he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos (creator) of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of 'the Idea.' With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought." (Marx, Afterword to the Second German Edition of Volume I of Capital.)

>Won't those organising the logistics of redistribution essentially hold power over society?
That's exactly what happened in every attempt at communism, hence Stalin guzzling lavish banquets in his summer home.

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Isn't this what Lefty pol is for? Or has lefty pol become so identity politics focussed you can't talk about it?

Sounds more like cattle than humans to me

Personal property is distinguished from private property in that you are not extracting profit from the labor of others with your cars, so there's no reason for them to be seized, unless you acquired them without working for them.

Do your aftermarket parts come from other countries? Capitalist countries would have reason to sanction a communist Australia, maybe through blockades or embargoes. But communism doesn't affect it.

State forests would be expanded; what was once a mine owners private holding would be open to the public.

Your last question is too specific for me; I would point you to the dacha culture in the Soviet Union. Land might be granted to you, or you could lease it. Some simply occupied unused land.

When describing their materialism, Marx and Engels usually refer to Feuerbach as the philosopher who restored materialism to its rights. This, however, does not mean that the materialism of Marx and Engels is identical with Feuerbach's materialism. As a matter of fact, Marx and Engels took from Feuerbach's materialism its "inner kernel," developed it into a scientific-philosophical theory of materialism and cast aside its idealistic and religious-ethical encumbrances. We know that Feuerbach, although he was fundamentally a materialist, objected to the name materialism. Engels more than once declared that "in spite of" the materialist "foundation," Feuerbach "remained... bound by the traditional idealist fetters," and that "the real idealism of Feuerbach becomes evident as soon as we come to his philosophy of religion and ethics." (Marx and Engels, Vol. XIV, pp. 652-54.)

Dialectics comes from the Greek dialego, to discourse, to debate. In ancient times dialectics was the art of arriving at the truth by disclosing the contradictions in the argument of an opponent and overcoming these contradictions. There were philosophers in ancient times who believed that the disclosure of contradictions in thought and the clash of opposite opinions was the best method of arriving at the truth. This dialectical method of thought, later extended to the phenomena of nature, developed into the dialectical method of apprehending nature, which regards the phenomena of nature as being in constant movement and undergoing constant change, and the development of nature as the result of the development of the contradictions in nature, as the result of the interaction of opposed forces in nature.

In its essence, dialectics is the direct opposite of metaphysics.

You know what else is dialectical?

The suicide and destruction of communism in the face of Western liberalism.

What is a wage if not money earned? That you are unable to buy things is simply not true. Source: parents are soviet.

ebin :DDDD

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By what? Killing a good 100 million of their own people and 70 years later still only a 2nd world country and thats with the end of communism almost 3 decades ago??
While Germany rebuilt itself into a first world country and the corner stone of the EU??
>commie logic everyone

Your parents did not live under what these communists call 'true communism', as Lenin realised that to have 'true communism', the world economy also had to be socialised.

What world do your parents prefer, by the way, this one? or that?

Take this to /leftypol/ we don't you fags here.

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That is just wrong. The only rerason they were able to industrialize so quickly was because of the socialist system

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They are useful idiots, hitler wanted to unite his people and said marxist socialist is distorted how ever the real socialism is what hitler uses and had been used for centuries.

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Or through forced labour.

Stalin's officer purges were just a prank, then? It was through the Russians' sheer will and bravery, not 'communism'.

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Only factor markets would be socialized, consumer goods are distributed normally like how the "free market" functions, but with labor vouchers to avoid capital accumulation and thus the concentration of wealth. Eventually automation will get to a point where most human labor is unnecessary, and this is when people can simply take from the stocks of consumption with little to no labor cost. If you're curious, Paul Cockshott is the man to read.

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there isnt real communism as long there is leaders, rulers, or it goes system like North Korea or 1984. That's why we need to get world ruling (((bankers))) and debt out of power!

youtube.com/watch?v=aUN1I5skKZs
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congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5404/text

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sealed indictments

It is happening!

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True, forced labour makes manufacturing munitions a breeze. Bretti gud XDDDD
But why do you support communism when it killed so many jews? After all that is why you hate Hitlers socialism isn't it?

based and redpilled

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So THIS is the true power of communism!

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I hope America soon has a Nguyen Ngoc Loan of her own.

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They prefer that one.They miss the cooperative, unified and progressive mindset and the material security.

How about that without a state nothing prevents me from behaving capitalistically, thus becoming an upper class

Have you found a way to make it work?

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Yes, robots. shhh, its a secret

Doesn't Jow Forums find it suspicious that the media and by extension the ruling class is unified in its condemnation of communism? Why is this narrative of evil communists accepted while others like those about the Nazis are called out as lies? That is, Jow Forums recognizes that the media is a tool used by (((them))) to pursue their private interests, but doesn't make the connection that communism must then also be a threat to their interests, and a more potent one, judging by the blood, time and money spent on denouncing or subverting it for the last century.

Get the fuck out commie scum

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>Being retarded for a long time makes us less retarded

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>my hunting & fishing rig
>raise chickens and goats
>grow vegetables and build a decent garage
You'll go to gulag for owning the memes of production.