Why are people so threatened by nihilism?

You got the wrong pic, the other one where he talks about athiesm and nihilism

>Why the fear?
Because the prospect of nothingness rightfully scares the shit out of most people, and a healthy, functioning society can't really function if people are constantly picking at the scab of mortality, wondering about "the point of it all".

For my money, nihilism is in the back of my head, always, but I try to keep God in the front. It's an acting excercise.

>at worst, you lose your chains
that's at best, sperg. at worst, you fucking kill yourself and many others.

anyways, should a nihilist like yourself really be using such delineations as "better" and "worse"?

Because deluding oneself against reality is a evolutionary response present in every successful species. Imagine if some early proto-ape could comprehend the minuscule nature of their existence in time and space and that their life would amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things and that most meaninful experiences in their lives are driven purely by instinct to survive and procreate, and, well, they'd give up on the spot. Their species would die out right there. But the brain evolved to make life meaninful and to reward you for your self-centered actions and so that's what most species do.
But meaninful existence is even more in question in modern times, and the average drone getting up at 6:30 AM sharp to pile up in traffic on highways with all the other drones doesn't want to, simply cannot, come to terms with reality, else their very existence would fall apart. So they have a kneejerk response.

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>nihilism means nothing matters dude lmao XD

American education

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Good argument. Nihilism is a buzzword, faggot. In modern usage, it does quite literally mean that no judgements are absolute or final.

I very well might have read more about it than you, you meme-ing cunt. Why don't you define it in one concise statement?

I bet you think Nietzche was a nihilist, don't you?

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becuase the only true adherents to nihilism are psychopaths,
schizophrenics and those with dementia.

interestingly enough, theres alot of self-proclaimed nihilists that felt that they have no other choice but to believe in nihilism.
which is exactly the case of those with serious mental illness, they had no choice in the matter.
except for meth induced psychosis.

those that wear the label like a badge of honor are most likely extremely nieve, and still looking for their own identity, until then nothing matters at all.

Nihilism is merely rejecting established any moral,religious or ideological value. Any of those can be refuted and rejected, Nihilism doesnt really whst you think, it is the truth, you just can decide ignore it or not.

Yeah, but the counter-argument would be that a person who believes they have a purposeful life is ultimately deluded into thinking so via his biological imperatives towards survival and his cultural upbringing, among any number of factors that give a person "meaning".

you're kinda right, i think, about the naive and the identity-less being "nihilists", but you're almost stumbling onto the positive conclusion of nihilism: When you look at the void and see nothing, no intrinsic value in being itself, you can then create meaning for yourself and for the world around you, thus overcoming it in some way---but ultimately the void will win, i think.

that's me at my most nihilistic, that even for all our purpose and progress and striving, ultimately everything will be lost in space and time---shakespeare will be forgotten, humans will die out, and then what has this all really been for but a brief hug-fest pretending that death doesn't await us all

also i believe in god and am not sure that anything ive just said is correct, but who cares

>this
It's basically the redpill for psychopaths and sociopaths that's when they get ready to fuck shit up

Yes goyim, nothing really matters so you should just stop trying to make things better. Just give up.

At best, it’s an edgy high school tier “ideology”. At worst it’s kike programming.

Nothing is more cowardly than taking the easiest possible path: nihilism.

>rejecting established
but that seems to be a very finite valuation. at what point does moral, religious, ideological truth become established? it's arguable that overturning those ideals just creates more ideals, which by your own definition, can then be refuted using the same process that conceived them in the first place, leading to an infinite regression of negation.

i find it interesting that Nietzche still confirms the existence of truth and of virtues, and condemns hedonism---it almost makes him traditional, especially by today's relativitic standards.

It is actually.

Das rite nuthin fookin matters

I want my transcended 2smart2live 110+ IQ award now.

you've been trapped in ideology

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oh snazzy *sniffs* slavoj. a great man. he's the best philosopher to use against modern american liberal ideology because they get so confused that a man who is fundamentally a leftist can have so much disdain for cathartic political movements and endless "progress".

Nihilism is the idea that nothing matters, so you can do whatever you want. It's a philosophy of chaos. And so, the adherents of this philosophy reflect this lifestyle in their daily lives.

If we are all an accident, then nothing matters. If nothing matters, then you can indulge in every corruption imaginable. No standards. No morality. Essentially, you end up in a dark world of depravity and darkness.

The opposite is true to those who put themselves at the center of the Universe. To those of us who believe we were created, then everything is important to us. We strive to get better, smarter, faster. We matter. We were created with a purpose. We aren't a mistake, on a spinning ball, in the middle of nowhere. We are the creation, and our goal is to reflect that which created us. Thus we hold the highest standard of morality and it's reflected in everything we do. There is nothing like understanding that we are.

based cocaine man

long story short: because the virgin nietzsche and his cringe "nihilism" were blown the fuck out by the chad camus and his based and intellectually honest absurdism.
for what it's worth, literally every time i've discussed philosophy with a self-proclaimed "nihilist" i was dealing with an absurdist who just never knew absurdism was an option

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>leading to an infinite regression of negation

Not really, if we start with rejecting the existence of any moral, it ends there, moral cant possibly exist if you just dont believe it, my gun will shoot you regardless of your arguments.

Maybe nihlism could be the statement that if theres any meaning in life, this one cannot be interpreted or understood by any language, as with language anything can be destroyed, only nature reveals itself by its mere existence as it is.

Nihilism doesn't necessarily imply that you shouldn't make your life better. It's also not a path: like believing the sky is blue is a path. It's simply a fact.

this is just one half of nihilism, that the worst of humanity follows. it's my estimation that the best of humanity are also nihilists, they can also see past absolutism and see the fact that humans will likely not live forever, but then they strive to do good in spite of that realization. that sort of defiance, that desire to create meaning in an otherwise cold and silent universe can be a massively powerful and sustaining force.

as slavoj zizek says, christianity is so interesting because Christ dies as a nihilist----he dies not understanding the point of it all, saying "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?"

But that realization of meaninglessness only makes him more noble, in my opinion---that he strove to create a more beautiful and healthier world in spite of all the chaos, confusion, and lack of final answers.

Nihilism does not produce good cogs for (((civilization))). It terrifies (((them))) that we may just stop giving a shit about the paths and morals they've laid out for us.

Nietzsche classified it as a mental disorder and gave people suggestions on how to get out of that mindset

If you're gonna go through life not giving a shit about anything but your immediate gratification then you're setting yourself up to be very unhappy

we can't reject the existence of morality though---we can only reject moral absolutism. for instance, despite your apparent belief in nihilism, you would still have your feelings hurt by a girlfriend who cheated on you or if your mom beat the shit out of you. it's a rejection of ideology, nihilism is an anti-ideology, in a sense, but it is CERTAINLY not a rejection of morality. morality is intrinisc, at least to humanity. we would not have lasted long without being social creatures who depend on each other. loyalty, bravery, familial compassion, honesty, etc. were all TRUE and existing IN THE WORLD and IN OUR BRAINS before we had words for them.

>that conclusion agrees with your point of "nature reveals itself by "the thing in of itself"
>but its almost like you are arguing for the NOTHING MATTERS XDDD philsoophy when you say "rejecting the existence of any moral", and that makes your argument very confusing, and it makes your earlier vitriol towards me kind of frustratingly tedious.

totally agreed---but the haunting fact is, even if you "get out" of that mindset, death and nothingness still awaits.

essentially, nietzche's philosophy is just modern zoroastrianism, an acknowelegdement of divine being in of itself, and the demiurge, the chaos that will consume everything until it creates something anew again.

nihilism is not just nothingness, it's transcending the nothingness, but that doesn't mean the nothingness isn't there. they're both there, and only in recognizing and absorbing both of those truths do you get a closer, clearer picture of Truth---though you likely will never see that either, only just get more and more accurately approximate

nobody fears nihilism retard. shit's like teenage philosophy 101. liberals also love nihilism

that's all great and all but what is the philosophical position that holds the entire universe coming into existence being an event that may or may not matter and as such whatever we do in life may or may not be something of importance, and given that there are no set rules from which we can derive what we should do it's illogical to assume that something is or is not significant and thus we should probably not bother?

not what i was implying. "nihilism" in itself is a state of the modern world. you don't choose to be a nihilist, you choose to not be a nihilist. someone who identifies as a "nihilist" is most likely not a nihilist, just a retard going through an angsty phase. "nihilism" is as much of an ideology as "ignorance." hence, nihilism is a non-ideology.

that statement is not an endorsement of "ideology," it's just stating a fact.

There is only a small subset of individuals who could be considered capable of forming their own values withing a nihilistic context. Anyone who through sheer arrogance demands society remove essential structure for people is simply selfish to the extreme.

>Morality is intrisic because humanity wouldnt survive otherwise

Meant its existence as something absolute, yes, morality exist as a social tool so the fuckers dont kill themselves, but you and I can see that those rules have not the same value as the law of gravity, does morality holds any value anyway?

Because most right wingers can't seem to grasp the very idea that life can be perceived as suffering and pointless to some people, and that's because people on the right lack empathy.

>does morality holds any value anyway?
And now you see why the Leviathan is necessary. There will always be a certain subset of incorrigible bastards who need to have a giant boot caving in their skull, lest they ruin society for everyone else.

Because it’s the weakest fucking mentality in the whole world

i can't say that i fear nihilism, but it does disgust me.

i'll act uncomfortable next to a cockroach, but am i afraid of it? no.

Maybe. But dont you see the world is basically a bunch of bastards killing each other and the one who claims the throne gets to say whats 'moral' and whats not?

Christians didnt get to establish the morality we use by being good christians, but by force and steel

I suppose I'm not THAT cynical.
It's a distinction between "might makes right" (which you say, essentially) and "might ENABLES right". Morality needs force to back it up. But as a corollary, you're absolutely right that force can just as readily be used against it.

Nihilism allows you to build your own temple. To think for yourself what morality is. It is the true parth to liberty

Typical OP, ignores the quality discussion for trolls

I enjoyed this convo

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>Failing to define nihilism in context

There is moral nihilism and existential nihilism.

Your thread is useless until you pick which one you're talking about.