Was it really that bad?
Was it really that bad?
William Miller
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Leo Bennett
Yes.
Asher Harris
on the bright side it saved us from few years of progression of western cuckery
Nicholas Nelson
Ryder Hall
Decades of CIA trying to fuck up your economy? Yes of course
Gavin Ortiz
Fuck you
Landon Martin
No, even worse.
Sage and hide.
Anthony Cook
Your country is licking putins ass and you say fuck you lol
Juan Wright
Some will tell you yes, others will tell you no. Some will provide you with secondhand testimony, others will tell you it is untrue.
In the end you'll choose the one that conforms to your pre-established world view and you'll probably be wrong.
Logan Sanchez
Of course! Just a little cannibalism here and there wherever it was tried but who cares, right? Shortages of food, the state controlling your life, the economy in ruins, seems great huh?
Isaiah Young
It's not my (the younger generation's) fault that our fucking pensioners voted for this corrupt gypsy motherfucker literally nobody you could speak to on the streets wanted that piece of shit
Asher Thomas
Fuck you
Wyatt Carter
This can be said for many countries today.
Luis Mitchell
>Was it really that bad?
It was. The fact that people could even contemplate a reality where it wasn't are just off their tits. It was a despicable authoritarian state and awful to live in. The only plus side was that you wouldn't be homeless.
Carter Roberts
>nobody wanted him
>he won third time with the 70% of the votes
Lel
Grayson Anderson
No, the USSR wss based and redpilled and had no degeneracy
Landon Kelly
Lol check your facts you cuck, more than 50% voted against him but in the previous cycle he made the election system so fucked up that basically nobody else could win. I would say that you should read about it but I'm already surprised you can even read and write with your tiny russian brain of yours
Bentley James
>30 million dead christain ukrainians
yes
Daniel Ortiz
Revolutionary communism is bad, millions upon millions dying bad. Once a communist state passes that stage, it becomes a rather poor and conservative police state. So it really depends on which Communism you mean. Yes, Lenin and Stalin were that bad, but Khrushchev and Brezhnev were nowhere near as bad.
Isaac Fisher
No, it was way worse, at least for us.
Henry Ward
Yes.
Most people who want USSR back are those who are lazy, incompetent, megalomaniacs, ideologues, party members or simply nostalgic for some period in their personal lives (now old and on state pension).
Everything was provided regardless of quality and you could even get drunk in the workplace or sit around and they couldn't fire you, because ''there is to be work for everyone''. At worst, you were transferred somewhere else. Everyone had a job and was paid equally regardless of your talent, skill or will to work. There was little incentive to work hard or to excel. Some collective farms managed to become well-off, but those were usually composed of former „kulak” class (diligent hard workers), were ethnicly homogeneous and were located in rural areas.
There was unofficial „blat” system which meant having right connections could get you rare goods and advance in queues. Wearing western clothing (jeans etc.) and having western goods (through black market) increased you prestige, but made you a target for a potential robbery.
Yes, living wages were decent nominally, but they had little value and you couldn’t buy much, because most of the time there was nothing to buy. You had to wait in queues for a car for 5-10 years, unless you were a party member or had good connections. And this „standard of living” was only post-Stalin era.
Education, healthcare was free, but of questionable quality. In medicine, there was constant lack of technology and tools. Only education worth its name was in hard sciences and the brightest minds were recruited to work for military industrial complex or space industry.
Then there are former communist party members and military personnel (officers etc.) who long for Soviet times, because being part of the system had lots of benefits - travelling abroad, western goods, high paying and prestigious work positions etc. And not always because of competence or skills.
>To be continued
Adam Watson
Many party members were random workers, military personell, farmers (most imported from USSR), some locals (including artists).These types usually climbed the ranks due to their ruthlessness and greed. In power positions they tended to become spoiled, petty and arrogant.
>A Side note:
Some of the old party members still hold power here. It is an open secret. A large portion of older people are fully aware of that, young ones - rarely. None of the oligarchs have been properly prosecuted and still can operate in business and politics. A few judges and personnel involved in organized crime cases have been murdered. Our KGB files are still a „hot potatoe” for politicians, artists and some businessmen. Some archive files have misteriously dissappeared and the investigative committee gets saboataged from time to time.
Older culture workers and artists tend to have a soft spot for mid-to-late Soviet era. They recieved welfare and state support if you towed the party line and had the ''politically correct art''. Rarely one could be a free thinker or had to mask his/her views wisely. These days they vehemently oppose opening of the KGB files...
There are a few old normies, who reminiscence the ''old times'' , because of their youth expierences (having friends, family, falling in love, student life etc.), not because of the system. These individuals generally didn’t get to live through war, KGB terror and genocide (in form of deportations) and nationalization of their properties. They were the generation after.
And most importantly, there are russian-soviet chauvinists, who lost their dominant ethno-cultural status and manufacturing benefits of colonized republics (goods exported to feed the other Soviet republics) and want it all back.
>To be continued
Brandon Myers
Yes yes it was.
Christian Morris
People who tend to be intelligent, independent-minded and hard working despise Soviet era and has little good to say about it. They can express their capabilites in market economy much better than in planned socialist system, which only retarded them. None of the people who and who’s relatives lived through Soviet terror want it back. None of the nations who were occupied by the soviets want that era back either. For them it meant mass immigration almost to a replacement level (especially in Baltics), ethnic and cultural discrimination.
Matthew Gray
I noticed nobody has mentioned the JQ...
Sebastian Rogers
Interesting read.
Caleb Foster
The hammer is your father pounding you into the ground.
The sickle is your mother slicing you evenly to be passed to the masses.
Jaxson Taylor
>streets
lel who gives a shit about people on the street.
same with rural bumfucks. Only good for producing, but they should have no say in how civilized people govern
Jeremiah Ortiz
No, during commie time the GDP/capita ratio beetween eastern block and the west was 0.4, today it's like 0.1 to 0.3 for the EU members.
>B-But they had no iphones
Neither did anyone in the West.
Nicholas Russell
Jow Forums is so in love with countries that were recently communist but shit on capitalist countries for their degeneracy.
Jace Jones
well said
Carter Lee
>has little good to say about it
>Communists built railways, schools, houses, hospitals, hydroelectric stations, large farms
>in a country with a medieval level of development
>ethnic and cultural discrimination
But the population of Latvia grew.
Jaxson Martin
Nathan Garcia
It killed trillions.
Connor Smith
>ethnic and cultural discrimination
>what is red latvians
not to mention, that latvian rural culture is useless
Jaxson Long
Yes, it did thanks to mass immigration from USSR.
Isaiah Walker
>medieval level of development
pic related
>Communists built railways, schools, houses, hospitals, hydroelectric stations, large farms
They did so to colonize it and fill the region with soviet workers after locals were in part deported. A lot of the production wasn't even consumed locally, but sent back to mainland Soviet union. The region was heavily militarized, so these were large part of the ''expenditures on infrastructure''
Carson Myers
220 millions of deaths in 90 years. Was good for the goy
Dylan Cox
yes
Jayden Nelson
queues, rationing, inefficiency, stupidity, abuse of power, no hope for the future, poverty, corruption
it just does not work, never has never will
the problems of capitalism are much more manageable
Nathaniel Ross
Commies also built Chernobyl. Funny how it goes.
Carter Walker
oh look, a fucking retard
en.wikipedia.org
but thanks for the hospitals tho ;-)
Aaron Torres
The most important institutions in society are communist:
Military - effectively distributes food, resources and medical care to each memeber
Conglomorates - Decide the best allocation of the goods they produce according to statistics on consumption. Barcodes and inventory systems ensure that they are able to track each aspect of the production chain and adjust production accordingly
Noah Jenkins
>Fpbp
Owen Hughes
Clearly yes.
Kevin Morris
huh? what does the military have to do with food distribution? they are for defense and war, they are not a big logistics enterprise.
They had huge planning and statistics departments. Communists tried everything to make it work they tried command planning and cybernetic planning (whatever the fuck that was). Nothing worked. Still shortages and inefficiency. It didn't work and cannot work because of stupidity, abuses of power and corruption. You don't seem to understand or factor in human nature.
Parker Rivera
you should know better than most of us, you were under it's heel
Kayden White
blockchain brah - learning about cybernetic planning will help you
Ryan Morgan
Aiden Nguyen
>Was it really that bad?
That can be their new slogan
>Communism: C'mon, it's not THAT bad...
Brandon Powell
Yes. The Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not to keep them out.
Funny how that works, right?
Ryder Bailey
The jewish bolsheviks killed about 60 million white christian russians so yeah..
Matthew Williams
No
It was worse