Welcome to the Earth To Mars General. (previously Mars Independent General) This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play. This is real. This is going to happen. We need you to consider the choice.
The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and Elon Musk has made it clear that commercial emigration will come in to play only a few years later. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who sell their properties on Earth for the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. lets face it - a majority european colony on mars is the only way to truly secure our future. >Plan: /etm/ is a new general and a work in progress. feel free to contribute ideas. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.
/etm/ >inb4 space is fake kys >inb4 muh economics kys >inb4 STOP LARPING the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire each other on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples. ./The general will be posted a few times a week or a few times a day.
>Remember why we fight. This is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.
>also, I've changed the name of the general from /mig/ to /etm/. I need to update the general a fair bit, but i've been busy lately - as always, the general continues to be a place on Jow Forums to talk about Mars and other space related topics.
>for anyone who wants a quick profile on Mars Equatorial Diameter: 6,792 km Polar Diameter: 6,752 km Mass: 6.42 x 10^23 kg (10.7% Earth) Moons: 2 (Phobos & Deimos) Orbit Distance: 227,943,824 km (1.52 AU) Orbit Period: 687 days (1.9 years) Surface Temperature: -153 to 20 °C First Record: 2nd millennium BC Recorded By: Egyptian astronomers
>There are signs of liquid water on Mars. For years Mars has been known to have water in the form of ice. The first signs of trickling water are dark stripes or stains on crater wall and cliffs seen in satellite images. Due to Mars’ atmosphere this water would have to be salty to prevent it from freezing or vaporizing.
a few interesting words in regards to business opportunities on Mars >Water Purification/Production Besides oxygen, of course, the only thing that will be more important on Mars than food will be clean drinking water. Scientists believe that there is water on Mars; however, they are not sure if it’s drinkable. Consequently, if there is water on Mars, someone will need to purify and make it suitable for consumption. If there is no water on Mars, then some really smart people will figure out a cost-effective way to produce H2O from hydrogen and oxygen. Either way, water will be big business on Mars. >Hospitality and Entertainment Nobody likes to eat or stay at home all the time, so there will be a need for entertainment, virtual reality centers, hotels, and restaurants of all kinds. If tourism to Mars ever becomes popular (and I think it will,) the need for hospitality and entertainment providers will be huge. As with all other things on Mars, eating out or taking a vacation will probably be expensive. Therefore, for those savvy chefs, hoteliers, and producers that get in on the ground floor, there will absolutely be plenty of money to be made in these industries. >Construction/Infrastructure Depending on the environmental concerns and requirements settlers face when they arrive on Mars, it’s hard to tell how construction and infrastructure will need to be approached. One this is certain, though, and that is people will need places to live and work as well as other necessities such as bridges, walkways, and streets (or something similar to streets.)
In the beginning, governments or authorities may handle initial construction projects. Still, I don’t think it will be long thereafter that the private sector will be doing most of the building. Building homes, condos and whatever else on Mars will be expensive and possibly dangerous. Therefore, expect contractors — big and small — to earn good livings in this field.
>another cut from a different article there are many potential near-term business opportunities connected with human missions to Mars with significant potential markets for the associated technologies and capabilities required for creating a sustainable human presence on the surface of Mars. These include innovations in life support, agriculture, radiation shielding, energy, on-site resource utilization (aka living off the land), filtration, and many other necessary technologies and capabilities. Many of these technologies would not require the massive level of investment for development that large mission elements like heavy-lift rockets, crew vehicles, propulsion, and habitats require. With the proper stimulus and the necessary entrepreneurial innovators, these technologies could be developed in a competitive manner, and they also likely will have application to improving life on Earth and therefore also have a significant market on Earth—thus making them particularly attractive to entrepreneurs, small businesses, and others.
>more Whether humans reach Mars through a government effort, a commercial model, or a combination of the two, there are remarkable opportunities that will accompany that journey. These opportunities are not only for discovery but also for innovators, entrepreneurs, and others to create new or better products that contribute to the sustainability of humans on Mars and also benefit people on the planet Earth.
>more While cosmonauts and astronauts are learning valuable spacefaring skills on the International Space Station — and the U.S. is using virtual reality to train scientists — the majority of work to prepare for interplanetary expeditions is being done on Earth...and where best to field-test equipment and people for the journey to Mars but on some of the planet's most forbidding spots. Seen from space, the Dhofar Desert is a flat, brown expanse. Few animals or plants survive in the desert expanses of the Arabian Peninsula, where temperatures can top 125 degrees Fahrenheit, or 51 degrees Celsius. On the eastern edge of a seemingly endless dune is the Oman Mars Base: a giant 2.4-ton inflated habitat surrounded by shipping containers turned into labs and crew quarters. There are no airlocks. The desert's surface resembles Mars so much, it's hard to tell the difference, the types of geomorphology, all the structures, the salt domes, the riverbeds, the wadis, it parallels a lot of what we see on Mars.
Scientists from across the world sent ideas for experiments such as testing a new spacesuit called Aouda, the cutting-edge spacesuit, weighing about 50 kilograms (110 pounds), is called a "personal spaceship" because one can breathe, eat and do hard science inside it. The suit's visor displays maps, communications and sensor data. A blue piece of foam in front of the chin can be used to wipe your nose and mouth. >Something to consider, for your or your children's future there will be a huge demand for engineers, medical experts, management "officers" and any sort of cross between those and other fields. So people with that kind of background could secure themselves a bright future on Mars.
>interesting read French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer. The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation. Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."
How about starting a crypto currency to be used as Martian currency?
Joseph Young
Will be Europe the owner of planet mars?
Luis Hughes
I'm not sure if currency has been spoken about on here and I dont think ive read anything about proposed Mars currency myself. Im going to have a quick google
Bentley Ortiz
Let’s beat them to the punch, nigga!
Joseph Parker
Larp
Sage and reported
Tyler Gutierrez
“Academic space law circles are already discussing this issue, and the European Space Agency (ESA) is thinking about it too,” says Chris Newman, a bonafide space law professor from Sunderland University in the UK. “Legislators and policymakers are realizing that space is a proper area of economic activity. There’s a cultural shift going on: space is moving from being exclusively for the scientific elite to something commercial and available to the masses.” “The granular detail of currency transactions and trading agreements between the colonies is going to be tough,” says Newman. “We only have to look at Brexit to see the difficulties that international trading arrangements can bring. Are we going to export that hostility to our space colonies? Ideally, we’ll aim to do more than just replicate Planet Earth’s economic issues.” from here inverse.com/article/29905-mars-coin-currency
Christian Watson
>LARP from OP: the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire each other on the subject of space exploration & colonisation.
Asher Martin
Bumping this
Jack Miller
cosmic rays will start to fry your brain and heart once you leave low earth orbit. no magnetic field to protect you on mars.
I don't want to be a pioneer. I rather wait til minimum infrastructure is in place and I won't get instacancer.
Jacob Thompson
The commercial-tourist phase probably won't happen till the infrastructure has grown a lot, but because of advancements in 3D printing and robotics, it might not take that long... easily in our lifetime it will be safe to live on Mars (safer than what it will be like for the first settlers)
Lucas King
What will we do about gravitational effects? Spinning domes? Fuck it who cares? Terraforming seems like a non-option with current technology.
A manned mars mission, private or otherwise, would increase interest in space tenfold. However, going back to the moon for short term research or a stepping stone is something that really needs to be done first. A somewhat long term facility could be built where people could stay for months on the moon. It would give valuable experience and be the beginnings of space based infrastructure, something that all future space colonization plans need.
When it comes to mars, I hope we get it done in my lifetime. If not a full colony, at least a manned mission would be a defining moment humanity could point to as something that it has accomplished.
Caleb Bell
Time will tell. Our longest experience in zero-g was 2 and a half years. Beyond that we have no data. It could very well be that humans won't survive in low-g environments like Mars. I'm not so sure everything will go down as smoothly as in sci-fi like The Expanse. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd generation of Martian born humans will die at 30 of raptured brain arteries and other ghoulish things.
Aiden Hill
>going back to the moon for short term research or a stepping stone is something that really needs to be done first As far as i'm aware, a base on the darkside of the moon is primarily needed for conducting the final isolation tests on humans in preparation for the Mars journey (it can't be done on the space station because the earth is still visible) and i'd be surprised if Trump didn't announce something moon related very soon.
> A somewhat long term facility could be built where people could stay for months on the moon. It seems more likely that a new space station is going to be built, check out this video "3 Companies Developing Game Changing Technologies" they talk about The Gateway Foundation and their plan to build our first spaceport
Daniel Morgan
There is alot that can go wrong and when shit happens there wont be any rescuing. Its just you and your companions.
The first couple of years Will be crazy. Living on a tiny area with others. When the sandstorms are raging for months and you wont be able to go out you Will be there, locked Up with Them and there is nothing you can do about it.
Someone might freak out and make misstakes wich leads to the death of many. Someone might even get a psycosis and open Up the door and take everyone else with them.
There is alot of shit that can go wrong. This mission is not for the weak but for real men like myself.
Leftists and liberals need not apply.
Josiah Ward
>you guys unironically think europeans are going to be the first people to send people to mars and colonize Haha, alright boys we'll let you play around with your rockets as long as you're in bed by 9. The adults will handle this one.
Jacob Cooper
>american education
Im talking about you, you dumb fuck. White Americans ARE Europeans.
Gavin Collins
And by adults you mean who?
Joshua Cooper
Americans are european when convenient, and mutts when its not. Mars will be a mutt ethnostate. The Eurabian people can fuck way off.
Xavier Campbell
If you think a civilization advanced enough to go to Mars would do so to create a "European" colony, you are a fucking imbecile.
Having the technology to terraform Mars would mean we would be close to having the technology to create advanced AI that could teach us how to store large quantities of information in photons.
We would literally all exist as a singular entity made of pure light at that point, and you think we'd be making fashwave memes and wearing togas while walking around in some Roman LARP-city on fucking Mars!
Mars' core has solidified. Mars does not have, nor will it ever have, a magnetic field. Mars had a civilisation and it died millions of years ago leaving just scant traces of it's history behind for NASA to pretend isn't there today. Mars is a dead planet in every sense of the word. Stop. Fucking. LARPING.
It's incredibly demoralizing to know our species can't move past accumulating wealth as a life goal. We've resolved only some of our blockers like orbital decay, but long distance space communications, debris avoidance and life support/habitability will prevent us from leaving Earth any time soon. These are issue that must be addressed before we depart the only planet we've ever known.
This will never happen. There is simply no point in living on Mars.
Owen Johnson
with time comes technology that would seem like magic to only a few generations before us. the only way to overcome is to be passionate about it. and have a collective pool of resources and thoughts. and you cant do any of it if nobody gives a shit.
One good comet or asteroid and humans are gone forever. We need to spread out.
Wyatt Thomas
Alright you fucking niggers, I'm a real engineer and I just found out that my life has been one. JEWISH. >LIE.
They have taken everything from me now. SO, I'm giving up my hardware AI and computer architecture projects to make this happen. THIS IS NO LONGER A LARP. The only way this will become a reality is in the form of an opensource project. IPFS - interplanetary file system, is the protocol made by Tim Berners-Lee to replace the WWW by decentralizing it. You want Jew free internet? Fucking work for it. You NEET fuckers need to stop fucking around and pick up every relevant skill, and it starts with how we manage this project. Get Linux, get anything other than Chrome/Firefox, download ipfs >sudo apt-get update >sudo apt-get install That fucking easy. NEXT ITEM- CAD. Which one of you fags has a copy of AutoCad? We can't get anything done without using the right tools.
Owen Lopez
Fucking Cohagen. What a douche. I want no part of your little "colony".
Tyler Butler
i am but a humble iron worker, friend. you guys design it, ill fabricate it
Quantum physicists theorize that we can store up to 1 terrabyte of information on a single photon. There are 10^89 photons in the observable universe.
Liam Cox
This is a cool fucking image, but the crust is way too thin. It needs to be about about ten-thousand times more thicc or it wouldn't produce any sort of gravity.
Andrew Anderson
Brother we're all in this together, this is unstoppable now. We are in the embryonic stage. Aim small, miss small. The way this works is the same way an artist works. We have one solid end goal. >Go to mars to GET IT FUCKING RIGHT THIS TIME Here's what we've got > Our first step isn't going to be build a rocket, it's team building, it's organizational structuring. IT'S WHAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE GOOD AT. First things first, a name for the project. The symbol is a swastika by default, but that doesn't mean it's just a fucking NSDAP copy. We need mission patches. At this point, it's about exposure and establishment.
Eli Perez
How will you get past the van allen belt that has already been passed decades ago somehow?
Hudson Powell
The red planet will be white!
Christopher Reyes
Gotta go leave the house to hang out with a friend/business partner. I'll be back much later and much drunker.
That made me feel a little ill to look at. I would hate to live there. Imagine looking up and seeing the ground. Eurgh.
Ryder Evans
lol i was supposed to buy this ages ago. no gf though so i don't think i need a board game right now
John Cooper
nah bro, the nuclear sun blast outside of the earths magnetic field is totally conducive to carrying delicate radio signals from millions of miles away, sent by a transmitter stuck on a go cart on another planet, they probably attach some kind of really high tech foil to the wheels and stuff.
I can't get signal in a big warehouse but a limitless cascade of ultimate sun energy hyper beams is totally fine, we need to start a whatsapp group so we can convo people on mars.
Jordan Moore
in-situ resource utilization will only take us so far. We need to breathe and eat, so we'll have to figure out how to create air and food out there.
Adam Williams
>Space X Interplanetary Transport System: its just another maglev train in a tube . its more pathetic that thats all the hyperloop is. japans maglevs go faster
This will help in the short term. So long as we can find frozen water/methane on other planets, we only need to perfect the portable efficient fuel cell to process them.
It's not going to be like the age of sail where half the passengers die during the trip.
Caleb Young
first for turbinium
Leo Johnson
>What will we do about gravitational effects?
Long term, probably genetic engineering so the body doesn't rely on gravity to survive.
Colton Cox
water is literally everywhere man. cassini probe found some super interesting shit on Enceladus saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/resources/7649/ingredients-for-life-at-enceladus/ >The discovery means the small, icy moon — which has a global ocean under its surface — has a source of chemical energy that could be useful for microbes, if any exist there. The finding also provides further evidence that warm, mineral-laden water is pouring into the ocean from vents in the seafloor.
Progressively lower environments so the body evolves.
Cooper Ramirez
Agreed. Our entire existence has been making and selling sh*t to each other. What a waste of time and resources.
Connor Collins
my cousin is raising her kids with ipads in their hands. im shunned while the rest of the family tells me to shut the fuck up for just mentioning 'hey maybe theyd like to learn an instrument? i could teach them' mind boggling it really is.
