Redpill me on socialism. Was it really that bad, compared to liberalism?

here yes, and this is the main reason why we had a (((revolution)))
ceausescu was starving us so he coukd free Romania of (((international debt))) so both west and russia had to orchestrate a coup to get rid of him, as we all know that a country without debt is a rising global threat

didn't yugoslavia go to shit after tito died

Lol fuck off you dickhead

eastern bloc socialism had far less degeneracy than the west and racial homogeneity so take that for what you will

I am actually slav myself, that's why I dont like "muh ussr" argument, as russia was a shithole under every regime. It is like saying that capitalism failed because of .

>whites
>shitskins
Fuck you

Yes.

Yes

No

Yes

Liberalism isn't a problem as long as it's being protected. Liberal values have gone by the wayside to corporatism and globalism as a guise for feudal loving international oligarchs.

Liberalism is great for "the people" but it's horrible for multinational organizations, banking cartels, super corporations etc. Those people who run and operate those entities would love nothing more than to see a feudal society reemerge. "One law for you, different law for me". That's how they act anyways.

T. Former Bunkerfag (Albania)

Our industry was booming and we were slowly risisng as a nation and removing our debt, but there was a heavy price for that, the people would have to go without heat, hot water, electricity and have to wait in lines to get one piece of bread per day. And in the censorship and propaganda department, it's literally the same as with what the Jews do to you, you can't criticize them or you'll be banished by society and even sent to prison, communists were just more up-front about it.

yugoslavia was always shit

Western, southern and eastern slavs are very different from each other, the only thing that connects them is the language and culture, same goes for germanics, baltics and so on. And true, Russians pretty much ruined themselfs and half of Europe with their shit ideology.

In Poland only when workers started going on strikes and that affected the production bigly.
Other than that, no.
Western goods were harder to come by and often only available to buy with western currency or special allowances from the state, but domestic brands were ample and quality of food was superior comparing to today.

>Liberal values have gone by the wayside to corporatism and globalism as a guise for feudal loving international oligarchs.
But this is what liberal values lead to. Democracy & capitalism & individualism, and you get jewish-owned media telling you why you need to take diverse rocket scientists.

Well, yes, I should've put "russain genetics".

They are not even Russian at this point, mostly kazakh, tatar and whatever else there is mixed mutts.

Classical Liberalism is not about Democracy. But it is about individual freedom. And Capitalism is also about Individual freedom. That however does not mean that you need to operate it as a completely open anarchist society. It's why the founders established a Republic with stringent rules and safeguards but dirty politicians have allowed those safeguards to be stripped away over the years. We are watching in the U.S. at least a response to that with basically the military taking control of our operating procedures right now.

>be Jow Forums
>shit on socialism for being "corrupt"
>while living in a capitalist country controlled by a corrupt pedophilic Jewish cabal of financiers
>shit on socialism for "not working"
>while the lowest ranking countries on the HDI are almost entirely capitalist
>shit on socialism for "identity politics"
>while simultaneously acknowledging the entire SJW movement was born in and thrives in capitalist countries
>shit on socialism for "collapsing"
>while a socialist state is the second most powerful state on Earth and projected to become the first soon
Just accept you guys are totally wrong about socialism and use it as a buzzword to disavow things that hurt your feelings and threaten your deluded c∪ckitalist worldview.

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International socialism (communism) and International capitalism (neoliberalism/neoconservatism) are just two sides of the same shekel.

Internationalism = Jewish rule

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Fuck your socialism, leaffaggot

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China is a mixed economy.

Cool meme from 2006 user

>But it is about individual freedom
Yes, this includes the freedom of extremely rich to own all the media and brainwash people about degeneracy and diversity.

>implying socialism wasn't also run by kikes

>muh lowest ranking HDI countries are capitalist
AKA African shitholes. 3rd world shitholes are shit because of the people who inhabit them, not the system they run under. Nigerian socialism would be just as shit as Nigerian capitalism.

>identity politics is capitalism's fault
what is cultural marxism

>a socialist state is the 2nd most powerful state on Earth and projected to become the first soon
China. Is. Not. Socialist.
Anyone who thinks they are is fucking retarded.

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So basically comparing two cities in entirely different context and history which are simply impossible to genuinely compare?

fucking retard, I swear to god. Also it really take an European to talk of New-York as something to be prideful of, because anyone living within a thousand km of the city know its a cesspit of corruption who'll never bother going there since they can get anything they could find there elsewhere for a third the price.

Hence restrictions. Once again, it isn't about total freedom to do fuck all, it's about the most amount of freedom for the most amount of people, (A.k.a. the common man). It's been abused. Needs to be corrected. It is being, somewhat corrected.

The answers given here will not be detailed or neutral or insightful. This board is all just itself an echo chamber, just like any of the echo chambers of the left. Don't expect that any true red pill will be so easily attained. Not when there are so many other ignorants and other people who want you to be an ignorant. If you really want to know truth, you will personally go dig in: to books and researches where there is depth, and to people who are actually looking for truth, not just looking to fit in where they currently are.

Socialism, to paraphrase Thomas Sowell, is a political ideology trying to masquerade as an economic system. True liberalism, wisely, leaves economics to a Capitalist system, where the free market allows prices to act as the system for rationing scarce resources with alternate uses. Rather than some asshole, who thinks he knows a fuck load more about what everyone, in every situation, needs and deserves, and proceeds to shit it all up till nothing works and we are all starving to death.

Be a leaf.
Thinks that corrupt liberal democracies exists, because jews and capitalist collaborators.

Thinks socialism fixes it. Centralizing the economic power and the political power into the same hands as he was just talking about.

Are you alright leaf?
China has no Jews, if you want the same, and ideology exists to fix that problem. Ask Germany they know.

Same fundamental flaw.

>what is cultural marxism
This is exactly what I mean here. Under liberalism you cannot oppose so-called cultural marxism (Frankfurt school was against soviet-style socialism, btw) >China. Is. Not. Socialist.
It inst socialist compared to the USSR, but the gov is still involved in the economy.

>implying socialism wasn't also run by kikes
So "the kikes" run everything no matter what, how is that an argument for or against anything?
>AKA African shitholes
Makes no difference, they're capitalist African shitholes, capitalism in and of itself does absolutely nothing to solve problems of human development and quality of life.
>what is cultural marxism
Something that literally doesn't exist and is a boogeyman you guys made up to try to separate the inherent degeneracy of capitalism from capitalism itself.
>China. Is. Not. Socialist.
Funny how you guys mock the "not real communism!" meme while actively participating in it unironically. Seems kind of mentally deranged really.

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I think true socialism if it occurs in a country, the country is dead. I dont believe that former soviet states will ever get better again, its in the DNA now, only the people who kept their head down, turned on his fellow men survived. I think a country can accept socialism/communism/sharia only once then it's over, forever.

>Was it really that bad
>get 10-25 years in slave-labor-camp for any random (real or made-up) reason.

Since Stalin took power USSR shifted from global socialism to "socialism in one country"

If you were lucky to not get shot immediately, that is.

What do you mean it is in their DNA now? we were pretty much forced to accept socialism as the rest of Europe didn't bother to help us escape from Soviets.

fucking leaf. you literally dodged all his arguments

I don't have to spend 5 hours a week standing in a line anymore

Are you from East Germany? Was there a deficit of basic goods as well?

>cesspit of corruption

You've obviously never been to russia or any other society destroyed by communism. Get some perspective buddy.

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>but socialism has jews too!
>but Africans are just dumb niggers!
>but [insert made up buzzword]!
>but this obviously socialist country isn't socialist!
He made no arguments.

You obviously never read literature from the russian empire, russia was always full of corruption.

government involvement in the economy =/= socialism

Just as much? How many political prisoners are tortured, sentenced and killed around the world now?
I mean 99,8% of Jow Forums would have, were it like USSR now.
And it ain't the people most advocating socialism that would of survived.

Unless it's universal healthcare, right?

To you, anything is socialism simply whenever you think it's convenient to label it as such.

Socialism is literally when the government owns companies, and this is exactly the case in China.

>Are you from East Germany?
Yes
>Was there a deficit of basic goods as well?
Nobody had to suffer hunger here
you aways had the food that grows here but if you wanted exotic food was very difficult
There was a lot of improvisation
there was shortage of almost everything in terms of building material, etc.
You had to wait up to 17 years to get a car
Building a house was horror because you needed to have contacts (you always needed contacts) to get the material
you also rarely paied with money, but with rare goods
often times you heared
Haben wir nicht (we don't have it)

Was it "your" house, or it was considered a gov property?

If you had actually read some Russian literature you'd know what a great country it once was.

But anyways, you did Russia. Now do all the other countries ruined by communism. There's at least 10 in our continent.

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>Nobody had to suffer hunger here
Maybe not in the 80s, and especially in that area, but that doesn't take away the fact that millions died in hunger because of socialist criminals.

>Redpill me on socialism.
It's Jewish.
It's anti-White.

>Was it really that bad, compared to liberalism?
Liberalism is Jewish and anti-White as well.

It was my house
but most people didn't want a house
they wanted a commieblock apartment

The people who had it in their DNA to adept to the communist regime survived or thrived, a lot didnt. So when accounting natural selection or the traits to thrive in that situation and it's rewarded not alone by breeding you can see that your DNA changed, the corruption everything it'll never go away.

We had hunger in the years after the war
but it wasn't that bad in the following years because we recovered fast
theere was a shortage in meat and other food, but nobody starved because we had the common food

yes most definitely

Another thing I forgot to mention that when Soviets took over, they took pretty much everything people owned, both of my parents families lost their houses, factory and so on and were compensated with flats in commie blocks.

You know that not everyone agreed with the regime, right? sorry, but that whole DNA thing is just stupid, most older folk that lived through it are happy that its over and young people don't care.

Confirmed. Had family in the DDR.
>Nobody had to suffer hunger here
This was true.
>you aways had the food that grows here but if you wanted exotic food was very difficult
I remember one of my aunts put her name on a list for an upcoming shipment of strawberries
>You had to wait up to 17 years to get a car
Last I heard, it was 10 year wait for a Trabant. Maybe a Wartburg?

Also:
The thing I remember most was the smell of burning coal (not that kind of coal burning). It was everywhere. People used coal to heat their houses and cook their food. It was so pervasive, after a while you didn't notice it anymore.

>russians
you mean the jews did

Jewish idea and all the work was done by Russians.

The waiting time increased in the late stages of the DDR
>strawberries
a lot of people grew them theirself and even sold some to the local Kaufhalle (Konsum or HO) to bring them to the people who didn't grew them

anarcho-communism is the best

bolsheviks were jews, and if by work you mean war, then yeah, the russians fought the battles

When leaders make incorrect decision then it's shtf for the whole country. Your, and all your fellow citizens' food safety, depends entirely on whether a few most powerful individual's ability to make proper decision.
Not to mention when all of a sudden people of your type become class enemy

unironically based and redpilled

Well, communism is the liberals end goal, more or less. So yes, it was worse.

It can't because when you compare East Germany to West Germany... it's the same shit. Hungary and debatably ROMAnians aren't slavs, as well.

If communism is voluntary it is contractualism and therefore not communism.

Only stupid people will deny this.

go commit die

On one visit there one of my uncles knew a guy who had a cherry tree and would let us pick them. We spent the afternoon using a pole with a basket on the end pulling down cherries. We also used to go into the family outings in the forest to pick mushrooms and wild blueberries. Another branch of the family had a small farm. They had a milking machine but the tank was metered. So they would milk by hand to keep some for themselves. Homemade butter.

Looking back, I think that this is what Germany was like before the war.

here's a redpill.

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Retarded. You cannot have state central planning and anarchism at the same time. Don't feel bad about your retardation, the ancaps are almost as retarded as you.

everybody had a job, but money was pretty much useless, as most trades were done with contraband (high-valued international goods such as chocolate, cigarettes, jeans etc). It was such a case that it was customary to give doctors a 10-pack of Marlboro's or Kent after your consultation, a sort of "thank you" bribe. Cars were pretty rare and as other anons pointed out, you usually had to wait quite a lot before the state granted you with a car; moreover, based upon your car registration number, you were either forced to drive your car on a Saturday OR a Sunday, but not both (fuel shortages). There were electricity outages every now and then, TV used to broadcast only the state program, and only 2 hours a day at max (and you could usually find Russian, Bulgarian or Serbia movies if you were lucky enough to catch the frequency).

State also enforced a very strict approach with the population - every single thing was bugged, people were ratting themselves out to authorities for dissent and whatnot and the Securitate was suppressing any types of liberties, such as listening to Europe Free radio, buying a pair of jeans or having long hair as a man.

Having lived in both a communist state and a so-called democratic one, I'd argue that neither of them are good in essence. The first cracks down on the population hardly while the second leaves the population unhinged, and when I say that I mean uneducated and ready to vote for the nearest political party that will deliver gibs. Both of these systems lack the abilities to properly unite the people, to form a national cohesion that might turn things for the better.

tl;dr fuck communism, fuck democracy.

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>unironically advocating for the inevitable pension&social welfare crash generated by unsustainable socialist policies

here's a redpill: handing out unlimited gibs will never stimulate an economy, similar to having a free medicare system, but the patients having to sit on a 6-months que for some cough medicine

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obviously it's not state planned
capitalists and government officials will be hanged

then who will make sure that people share their wealth if it's not for gov men, fuckboy

It's nice to keep on hoping for free shit...

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>Redpill me on hydrochloric acid. Is it really that bad, compared to sodium carbonate ?

can't have wealth without a government to make the money

>obviously it's not state planned
Under communism, the state owns the means of production. So how can there be no planning? Who decides what is made and how much of it and who it goes to? You can't have communism without state planning and the planners then become the new elite. Even back in 1872, Mikhail Bakunin called Marx out on his classless society bullshit.

>Under communism, the state owns the means of production
wrong, so your opinion is not valid.

Traitor

Explain how. Protip: You can't.

Socialism does not equals with Communism.Socialism was here before Marxism.
Also the good only good thing in communis were the state owned factories, and that we did not rely on NATO and Wester shit we had our own products.

the workers own the means of production under socialism. government can or cannot exist, it doesn't matter.
the people own the means of production under communism. Government is abolished.

>and that we did not rely on NATO and Wester shit we had our own products.

lolmao. You relied on the Warsaw Pact, with USSR as the unequivocal head of it. Members were not equal in rank and any Moscow-made decision was compulsory for all, or the risks of sanctions and even invasion were on the table (look at Ceausescu's decision during the Czechoslovak invasion, and how much Romania was affected economically by it). Moreover, your "own" products were nothing more but Soviet replicas of lower quality (except the internal agriculture yields, which generated good food) or stolen technology from the West via diplomats. Don't kid yourself, it was far, far worse. Heck, you should know it, Yugoslavia and Romania both lived under the imminent threat of a Soviet invasion, even though we were best buds.

who delegates the distribution of things?

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distribution is never mentioned in any of Marx's works.

>Yugoslavia lived under imminent threat of Soviet invasion.
Lol and then what?
Also we had not imported any goods.

The jewish bolsheviks killed about 60 million white christians so yeah.

in his diseased riddled utopia, the people/workers of course.

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Ask the former soviets

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It had some good points
But still a shitty totality

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