Jow Forums communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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>It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody—almost everybody—voted for it. We didn't know. We thought it was good. No, that's not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.

>What's whose ability and which of whose needs comes first? When it's all one pot, you can't let any man decide what his own needs are, can you? If you did, he might claim that he needs a yacht—and if his feelings are all you have to go by, he might prove it, too. Why not? If it's not right for me to own a car until I've worked myself into a hospital ward, earning a car for every loafer and every naked savage on earth—why can't he demand a yacht from me, too, if I still have the ability not to have collapsed?

>It took us just one meeting to discover that we had become beggars—rotten, whining, sniveling beggars, all of us, because no man could claim his pay as his rightful earning, he had no rights and no earnings, his work didn't belong to him, it belonged to 'the family', and they owed him nothing in return, and the only claim he had on them was his 'need'—so he had to beg in public for relief from his needs, like any lousy moocher, listing all his troubles and miseries, down to his patched drawers and his wife's head colds, hoping that 'the family' would throw him the alms. He had to claim miseries, because it's miseries, not work, that had become the coin of the realm—so it turned into a contest between six thousand panhandlers, each claiming that his need was worse than his brother's. How else could it be done? Do you care to guess what happened, what sort of men kept quiet, feeling shame, and what sort got away with the jackpot?

>When all the decent pleasures are forbidden, there's always ways to get the rotten ones. You don't break into grocery stores after dark and you don't pick your fellow's pockets to buy classical symphonies or fishing tackle, but if it's to get stinking drunk and forget—you do.

>Any man who tried to play straight, had to refuse himself everything. He lost his taste for any pleasure, he hated to smoke a nickel's worth of tobacco or chew a stick of gum, worrying whether somebody had more need for that nickel. He felt ashamed of every mouthful of food he swallowed, wondering whose weary nights of overtime had paid for it, knowing that his food was not his by right, miserably wishing to be cheated rather than to cheat, to be a sucker, but not a blood-sucker. He wouldn't marry, he wouldn't help his folks back home, he wouldn't put an extra burden on 'the family.' Besides, if he still had some sort of sense of responsibility, he couldn't marry or bring children into the world, when he could plan nothing, promise nothing, count on nothing. But the shiftless and irresponsible had a field day of it. They bred babies, they got girls into trouble, they dragged in every worthless relative they had from all over the country, every unmarried pregnant sister, for an extra 'disability allowance,' they got more sicknesses than any doctor could disprove, they ruined their clothing, their furniture, their homes—what the hell, 'the family' was paying for it! They found more ways of getting in 'need' than the rest of us could ever imagine—they developed a special skill for it, which was the only ability they showed.

>God help us, ma'am! Do you see what we saw? We saw that we'd been given a law to live by, a moral law, they called it, which punished those who observed it—for observing it. The more you tried to live up to it, the more you suffered; the more you cheated it, the bigger reward you got.

>The guff gave us a chance to pass off as virtue something that we'd be ashamed to admit otherwise. There wasn't a man voting for it who didn't think that under a setup of this kind he'd muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself. There wasn't a man rich and smart enough but that he didn't think that somebody was richer and smarter, and this plan would give him a share of his better's wealth and brain. But while he was thinking that he'd get unearned benefits from the men above, he forgot about the men below who'd get unearned benefits, too. He forgot about all his inferiors who'd rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors. The worker who liked the idea that his need entitled him to a limousine like his boss's, forgot that every bum and beggar on earth would come howling that their need entitled them to an icebox like his own. That was our real motive when we voted—that was the truth of it—but we didn't like to think it, so the less we liked it, the louder we yelled about our love for the common good.

>What good would our need do to a power plant when its generators stopped because of our defective engines? What good would it do to a man caught on an operating table when the electric light went out? What good would it do to the passengers of a plane when its motor failed in mid-air? And if they bought our product, not because of its merit, but because of our need, would that be the good, the right, the moral thing to do for the owner of that power plant, the surgeon in that hospital, the maker of that plane? Yet this was the moral law that the professors and leaders and thinkers had wanted to establish all over the earth. If this is what it did in a single small town where we all knew one another, do you care to think what it would do on a world scale?

NIGGERS TONGUE

My anus

“This is a great awakening moment of workers. They might be small in number but they do not realise what they have achieved. This is a turning point for Chinese workers’ resistance.”
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"Most labour resistance protests in China revolve around wage and pensions disputes. It is rare to see workers focusing solely on their political rights, such as establishing a democratic union."


SCMP.COM
Chinese Maoists join students in fight for workers’ rights
Leftists show support for employees of stock market-listed company, who are campaigning for the right to form a trade union

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How does Communism benefit the White race as a whole, ensure the White race's survival and leads to the betterment of the white race?

It would reduce wage disparity which is what leads people from developing nations to come over to your country to make a few extra bucks an hour.

>It would reduce wage disparity
So it would punish success?

>which is what leads people from developing nations to come over to your country to make a few extra bucks an hour.
but Communism doesn't care how many non-Whites flood into White nations.

Spurdo give me strength!

No success is socially constructed. For example, I think a boomer driving a porche boxer probably has a small penis but his friends probably give him high-fives. Similarly I think Elon Musk deserves some credit for all he has tried but other people will say hes an attention seeking faggot.

The one unified measure of success at the moment is how much money you can get, regardless of how you get it, for the most part. If society isnt based around Shylocking other people then our perspectives of what success is will change.

And my point is that foreign nationals only come to those countries for money. Not to wear berets and get photos next to to the eifel tower. If the wage difference isnt so drastic then they wont go.

>Spurdo give me strength!
Why the fuck did you bump this thread you fucking retard?

>No success is socially constructed.
It can't be. Because when they're left to their own devices, White naturally succeed and non-Whites naturally fail. The only way non-Whites can succeed is by sacrificing White success.

>The one unified measure of success at the moment is how much money you can get,
Yes, because Capitalism is a soulless, materialist ideology. Much like Communism.

>And my point is that foreign nationals only come to those countries for money.
At the expense of Whites because every job a non-White takes from a White person in a White nation is one less job for that White person. On top of the anti-Whites promoting non-Whites above Whites in White nations.

>If the wage difference isnt so drastic then they wont go.
They still would because those non-Whites will fail if left to their own devices. So they're attracted to White success and will attempt to flood to White nations to parasite off of White success. And that's only possible if anti-Whites have forced open the floodgates.

Success is a social construct based on what you can control. You can equalize resources or even workload and pride but you cannot equalize controls

The worst form of tyranny is attempting to make unequal things equal.

Fuck communism and fuck you.

>gomeunissim

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During feudal times most countries in the world had functioning societies. Yes there were wars but none of the issues we see today in the world. Even in the UK the peasantry got 1/3 of the year as a holiday and society was still able to function.

After the Mercantalist movement the British Empire set up the infrastructure for proto-capitalism which meant that all these nations had a very hard time continuing without adopting capitalist policies. And as Britain had a First Movers Advantage the heirarchy has stayed largely the same.

And we should probably figure out what success is at the moment. US GDP is up 4% this year but it still seems like more of a shithole. And I dont just mean culturally. We're kind of reaching that point where growth is pissing us off. We don't want more skyscrapers or poluted cities. I think what many people want now is a sense of purpose and a strong community - which is something that pre-capitalist nations managed pretty well

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In elitist culture it is your ability to have social influence. Thats not the case in lower class culture where control is largely based on who can offer basic needs. IE girls in Thailand marrying fat cunts because they can provide for them. Its the equivelant of servitude due to necessity.

>During feudal times most countries in the world had functioning societies.
And those societies were racially homogeneous. They however didn't need to be racially aware because multiculturalism and diversity wasn't an issue yet.

Now we need a racially homogeneous and racially aware society.

>US GDP is up 4% this year but it still seems like more of a shithole.
Because while individual success can be gained, the whole system is built upon a bed of sand that is destined for collapse.

>We're kind of reaching that point where growth is pissing us off.
Because we've realized that what we've been told our entire lives is a lie. But OP and those like him want us to replace a broken, Jewish anti-White system with another broke, Jewish anti-White system.

>I think what many people want now is a sense of purpose and a strong community
You only get that with White Nationalism, National Socialism or Fascism. Because those ideologies are the only ones that care about the homogeneous people and put the people before materialist goods and money. (which of course the anti-White and the Jews hate, because they lose power)

Socialism is a wonderful idea. It is only as a reality that it has been disastrous. Among people of every race, color, and creed, all around the world, socialism has led to hunger in countries that used to have surplus food to export.... Nevertheless, for many of those who deal primarily in ideas, socialism remains an attractive idea -- in fact, seductive. Its every failure is explained away as due to the inadequacies of particular leaders.

I am socialist and respect Hayeks work - I actually think it fits together well with some leftist thinking. Go to any mainstream capitalist economist and they will tell you hayek is outdated and wrong.

Well thats because most modern economic thought is neo keynessian. I always agreed with the idea that fascism and communism should both be classified as left wing. Also as a side note, Hayek was for a time a socialist himself (thought to include it if you didn't already know)

Forgot to include who I was quoting.

- Thomas Sowell

Jow Forums is commie now, deal with it

I agree but I believe the technology wasnt ready for Socialism. Even Marx said it was a progression post-capitalism.

1. Dictators have often made bad decisions.
We can now have decentralised allocation systems through cryptography and computing systems. No more corruption or hoarding of goods.

2. We now have highly advanced predictive models and inventory systems. Think about how a multinational company distributes its products to each shop according to the statstics on consumption

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>Jow Forums is commie now, deal with it
Communism is Jewish and anti-White...therefore it's politically correct.

Jow Forums = politically incorrect.

Therefore Jow Forums can never be communist.

>We now have highly advanced predictive models and inventory systems. Think about how a multinational company distributes its products to each shop according to the statstics on consumption
Interesting point tbqh

Пpивeт, тoвapищ!

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nice autism logic

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Go back to /leftypol/ commie.

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Was that painted before or after he made antisemitism a crime punishable by death?

I know, I run a business myself. The problem is once you remove prices, distribution will be fucked up. The Role of prices is absolutely critical, hell even Lenin realised that (his new economic plan where he realised he needed the "old class") and without imputs in an economy, even a supercomputer would be useless at distributing goods effectively. A key point to remember is that prices aren't some arbitrary things people decide on. There is a lot of trial and error to see what the market needs

>nice autism logic
Hey, if you want to claim Jow Forums is anti-White and Jewish go right ahead. Don't get pissed when we prove you wrong.

Nope

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I'm a ceo of a startup, does that make me a bourgeoisie?

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Die in a fire
You disgusting rat faced vermin are not welcome in the west

>using Jow Forums screenshots to try and make a point about anything

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No bourgeoise are mostly unironically jewish and these cucks all come from /leftypol/ and can't deal with other Jow Forums's because they keep getting btfo.

wow wtf I hate communism now

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Being a kikes slave is worse
3rd position is the only position

petit-bourgeoisie

>i it doesn't prove anything
Okay commie.

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See Communist states in history. Those who can control distribution of resources become more powerful and thus of higher class.

>Die in a fire
>You disgusting rat faced vermin are not welcome in the west

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ahh makes sense, their marxist doctrine doesn't actually define business cycles at all lol. To them, the exploitation happens by companies somehow in existence already. Also you have the economic calculation problem that no commie can debunk.

Fucking stalinist, people like you are the reason why the soviet union failed

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>Fucking stalinist, people like you are the reason why the soviet union failed
Jews are the reason that Communism always fails. Because its a Jewish, broken system.

I am a natsoc and can seem a lot of traits compatible.

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>muh 3rd position hurr durr
the only possition you are in is the doggy position, proud boi

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Grow up and get a job you degenerate faggots.

Can see libertarinism compatible.

>Yet another daily reminder that no matter what happens, you can take solace in having never been a leftypol trannie shilling for communism on Jow Forums
Feels good man

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pffft

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>the only possition you are in is the doggy position, proud boi
Of course you deny the existence of the third position. you don't want the goyim to see that there is a choice between judeo communism and judeo capitalism.

Was that picture taken before or after he fucked a Jew?

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no, the soviet union failed because of its imperialist expansion (which was admittedly justified at the time because of russia's ridiculous borders)

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Value and currency is at the crux of all of this. And because currency represents a subjective value it is what Ricardo called a "variable numeraire" or a shitty measuring stick.

This isnt just a pedantic observation because there is a lot of manipulation and "gaming of the system" that occurs because of this.

Eg. Inflation effectively errodes the wealth of the poor. Capitalism is zero-sum in the sense that money is a claim to other peoples labour. (Eg. I have $10 and you have $5 so I have twice the claim to labour that you do).

Mix that with capital accumulation from interest and you have rich people making money for nothing and the poor losing money for nothing.

There are so many nuanced points about how money mechanics can be manipulated that eventually you see the importance of having an accurate representation of value.

Ricardo, Smith, Marx all tried to find the "true" value of goods through their work. It was the main motivation for all of them. I think Leontief and Sraffa have come closest in recent times. So i'd check out how they represent value using only inputs and outputs

Trotsky had way more merits than Stalin, his vison of the intertational widespread of communism was right, fuck you killer

I agree, the biggest threat to the white race and the west is Marxism. Everything from their Dialectical materialism, to their "exploitation" and even the core Labour Theory Of Value is simply invalid and has been debunked by any real world economist. But it goes deeper than that. Its like a cult and it must be eradicated.

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>implying I don't like jews
Long live Israel muthafucka!

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nice Larp bru

all fucking commies must fucking hang
>in all fields

>(((trotsky)))

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yeah because trotskyism really worked out well in the US, right?
>drinking from the same well you've poisoned
pic related, trotsky's legacy

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>tfw I'm legitimately struggling to tell if it's satire or not

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>caring about shitskin kids
k

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commies on suicide watch.

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wow an infographic on the internet. has to be true. totally hate jews nau...
You are pathetic. Zionism will win. Hail Trump btw!

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I don't, since they do exact same shit in western civilization.

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Back to r the donald.

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No.

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Hahahahahah
Look at those numales.

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youtube.com/watch?v=PPznfiB5OJ0

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