Okay people lets talk about the current state of affairs inside the United States. It seems to me that the puppet masters are taking the Wiemar program and implementing it in the United States. Over 100 years of propaganda, now refined and as dependable as physics, is finally being used to shatter the United States. Now anyone with any real sophistication in the true course of history knows that the United States of America is on course for a self-fulfilling prophecy. What do I mean? That ever since the creation of philosophy, it has always been the dream of rulers to create a government for the world based on wisdom. This wisdom of course is the realization that imagination and knowledge is the means of creation which while previously having been only used by God, is now accessible with limited functionality to human beings. The Old World, having been dominated by religions which, although subverted, have prevented the implementation of such dreams; attempted to raise from the New World the greatest attempt in human history to institute this dream. The United States, serving as the vanguard for this idea, has successfully acquired global power after the great wars and used it to play part in a conflict which annihilated the old world entirely.
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However, in an attempt to undermine the Old World, they willingly created the government of the United States and showed the people that an alternative to monarchy was possible. If the people could maintain this government despite our efforts, than this truly is the final step. We did not however. Now these same men of thought are attempting to 'evolve' us to the next step. If man does not need God (The Pope) to rule them, why does he need Principles (Republican Government) to rule them, he should be ruled exclusively through intellect (Global Technocracy) and only the wisest among us should rule. Men cannot be forced, but must will this on themselves. This powerful idea is the underlying mystery to the events of the 20th century. Today, with the lessons learned in the past century, this plan is ongoing and more effective. It calls for the forces of the United States to come to climactic showdown with socialism and Islam, domestically and abroad. The resulting devastation, as learned in the great wars, will mold the human mind and destroy ideals long held to be true but now finally shattered by the trauma of war and calamity. Self-governance and Monotheism. All at once the final barriers to that great dream which first originated in the dark, torch-lit halls of the ancient world will finally collapse in the minds of men. What happens after I do not know, nor am I sure of what I have laid out. I will say this: It is more persuasive and more real than any other narrative I've ever come across.
To some of you, this may seem far-fetched, even stupid and I don't mean to claim myself as an inside source, or as having knowledge that you yourself cannot access. Its possible I am wrong about details which may prove to be fundamental, but it also appears clear that this specific site is the last true place where people who know more about these things can be contacted. I don't want someone from some special cult, just a regular person like me, who through their own curiosity and desire to find that pervasive thread of truth in life has across ideas so remote that they leave one feeling isolate, but so rational that they cannot be dismissed. I don't want aliens, or demons, or anything of the supernatural. All things in life exist in this reality as we see it through the senses, what comes after is reserved for that great source of creation.
Who among you can discuss this with me?
>his wisdom of course is the realization that imagination and knowledge is the means of creation
Would you mind helping me see how you have come to this conclusion?
Several of the themes you are talking about I've covered in KB topics:
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Of course. It strikes me as self-evident that the biggest power a human being has is his ability to combine his intellect with his imagination and use this in combination with his physical nature to produce concrete changes in his reality. Not only is this evidenced in the creation myths of man, but it is seen in the figurative and literal features of early human civilizations.
History can be plainly seen to be an ever accelerating invention process, the most incredible consequences of which are changes in the abstract thought of man. Let me explain, why is it that technology changes human thought? If inventing agriculture leads to the end of nomads and results in the erection of walls and the organizing of simple states and philosophy arises from that, then isn't it fair to say that man's ability to think and create physical action is the greatest tool. Labor is the fundamental battleground of human political thought in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries, perhaps it has always been the battleground?
Now, consider how this was not known by the masses for most of history. I mean to say that despite humans having done all that, they still had not become conscious of this aspect of their nature. The rulers demonstrate this awareness due to their self-proclaimed divinity. The ancient ruler was a god, who ruled the masses as subjects and used them to his will to create the realm he imagined.
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Do you plan on reading this aloud at your next masonic luncheon?
I have seen your threads, but you lack humility and arrogantly state you know these things to be true as fact. It's condescending, which would be fine if you provided evidence of it. Referring to your own threads, while admirable at the broad range of topics, its too disjointed and lacking any depth I can get into.
I'd be interested in discussing this with you though.
I am not a Mason. I will say what I am and who I am against. I am a Christian and an American. I believe in God, in judgement after death and eternal life. I believe in the expression of this nation as written in the Declaration of Independence. I am against Freemasons, Communists, Theocracy, Zionism and Colbert.
I do not agree with what I stated above, but I do believe that this is what is happening because others who have worldly power do believe this and act on the world in accordance with this doctrine. I despise it myself and believe it should be resisted. However I am unsure of much of this and only wish to discuss it here, where I believe its possible.
Okay, I think I can easily humor this. But it is hard to accept. For example, I struggle to make my imagination and my intellect move my body. The affects are there, but its like I am stuck in molasses. What do you make of that? Im aware its happening, as it is happening, and I still do not create the good my imagination and intellect deem as good.
Idk this is what comes to my mind. What comes to yours?
How old are you, what do you do for a living, and do you have autism?
The answer is that you do not know everything. Surely, when people try and fail, they learn and fail again despite it. However if you persist you will only learn more and eventually will gain success. This is something known as focus, not only in the immediate sense, but in a longer term sense as well.
When you focus on something you know to be true and good, you work towards it and learn. Using this knowledge, your actions improve and you can create successfully. Things that are not rational, that are based in ignorance and that are also unhealthy to your body and thus your capability for action, are things that go against your attempts to succeed.
You struggles, as I can see them, arise from a lack of knowledge and/or irrational + Unhealthy behavior. I don't want to seem to go past what I can read into you, so disregard this completely as having any merit, but its something to consider.
It's no surprise than that if a man who wants a family and a career as he imagines it tries to create it but because of a weakness he develops drug habits, then he will fail. He fails because he loses or compromises his focus and therefor cannot complete the actions to fulfill his wish.
This is known as the fallibility of man and why utopia is impossible.
Alright, before I continue, a side note: Are you familiar with Spinoza? (now back to the response)
So you are saying that: I lack adequate ideas, that allow me to sustain focus on what I've deemed a good creation? How am I supposed to get the adequate ideas, or knowledge that would make me move?
I am 28 years old. I create scripts for hotel adverts and I do not have autism. I write the way I do because I believe that this way, now lost among people, has clarity and is more honest.
Now I am passionate about these topics and I do sometimes get carried away with the writing style, but I believe the way people write is a reflection of how people think and if you train to write in a clear and expressive manner, you can have that reflected in how you think, speak and behave.
I do share two traits with autists in an unironic sense, a desire for detail and a strong attraction to clarity in things.
No, I'm not aware of Spinoza. I don't want to necessarily say that you lack ideas because surely you know your situation much better than I possible can, but if you are having issues making something work in your life it seems fair to believe there maybe an idea you aren't aware of. Now, as it is, you must fail in order to learn and discover such an idea.
Yea, thats as far as I've figured but.... The failing is the not creating isn't it? Over and over, over and over, over and over. Perhaps the source will send me insight. Any way I did not mean to derail your thread, quite selfish of me.
Or even this, it is irrational, perhaps an unconscious fear. Have you faced fears hidden deep in you?
So you are saying what the USA is trying to do is good?
You are saying they are trying to provoke reaction from people with these insane policies?
Thank you, I have an idea.
No, it's fine, you are the only one who has engaged me so far. It seems a banal thing now, but for centuries this idea was something a majority of people were ignorant of. People had no power, they were slaves. First to nature, then to divine kings. Philosophy was something that gave rise to these thoughts because the social dynamics of early civilization led to collaboration and self-reflection, to think about thinking and thereby create a system of behavior that best reflects truth and unlocks human potential.
There is no coincidence that the cradle of western philosophy is Greece and it is in Greece that the kings are overthrown and the tyrants hated. Alexander the Great, an autocrat, ruled Greece in honor of those ideals and so he was considered not a tyrant, but a sort of philosopher god. He wanted however to rule the world, mix the populations to create a common identity, and rule as a world ruler as the highest wisdom. Sound familiar?
So your daily struggles are not only your own, but are also woven deep into the nature of history which so often feels remote and impersonal. The reason you struggle in life is because you don't know yet how to succeed, but also haven't accepted that because you are fallible, you may never learn what you need too. I also do not know how to truly adopt this as a core sentiment myself, so I struggle too.
The USA is not a single thing. It was created to free the people of the American colonies by Freemasons who wanted to usurp the authority of the Monarchical order in Europe. Even on the day of Independence, the fundamental divide between American Idealists and Masonic idealists existed. Remember that it was the armed insurrection in Massachusetts that finally made independence a reality. Where did this insurrection come from? I can't say myself where, other than perhaps a fraternal group of militant patriots. Perhaps someone who knows more than give more information.
However the Masons at least wanted the United States to be the enemy of the monarchies of Europe and usurp the power of Europe in general. Today, the United States is waging the same revolution it started so many years ago. Europe is gone, but the so-called enemies of men's minds still exist: Individual Freedom and Monotheism. So some in the US want peace and some want war. Leftists are dupes for nihilism and fascists are scarecrows for nationalism. Zionism is a proxy for western liberalism which is synonymous with individual freedom. Islam is a proxy for monotheism and the dangers of belief in God.
When nihilists and fascists fight each other and zionism fights islam. Lack of belief and belief in race/nation annihilate each other while individual freedom and belief in God annihilate each other. The result, and we can get into why, is the destruction of the human psyche and the priming for new beliefs, metaphysical and political.
Well then let me share with you what I have learned from this interaction, and maybe you will know what I am saying. I think you are correct when you said, It is from irrationality that I do not move. But I did not perceive it in thise moments I was trying to move towards the good. I felt nothing and heard nothing in my head as a thought, I just knew I was not moving towards it. But where does that irrationality hide ?
SO I decided to ask myself, why I was not doing it right now, what I deemed good. Why am I Procrastinating? it seems there are thoughts that are ideas that are subconsciously working to keep me from doing them...Not fully consciosu yet but I am on to something here. I can catch glimpses of them. An inadequate idea that has an irrational feeling attached to it, dictating me......
and now I am doing what I have deemed good for me......hmm. Are you familiar with plato or Evolas "metaphysics of war"?
I had a hard time understanding what you meant. You must always consider that because you are not perfect, it is possible your mind cannot do the things you imagine. Now as an optimist, I wouldn't ask you to accept that as fact, but only repeat that failure is the path to success. Focus on what you need to do and don't stop. You will see the true power of a human being when this is done persistently.
It's no big secret, but to really understand this is a gift only some get. Anyone who recognizes this symbol knows how often it appears elsewhere. You should not see it as a supernatural symbol, but a representation of focus. In the context of Egypt, it is a symbol that represents the beliefs of inner priest caste surrounding the Pharaoh. If you focus, you can learn and by knowing, you can alter reality.
The priests knew that the Pharaoh wasn't a god, how could they not, they raised the little fucker. However, its not so clear that the Pharaoh didn't know that or that the people didn't know that either. So where does power lie? In the hands of those who know what others don't, achieved by learning where others didn't by focusing dogmatically on the things they want to create. It's some ancient shit.
Have you read the High Level Insider threads? This is more or less his message.
History has been two-fold: an Old World, where an elite held all of the power and knowledge over the masses who were essentially mindless slaves.
History, as we know it, has been grappling against the aristocracy to free the minds of the masses and allow them to ascend. Many of the major events / wars that we learned about in the history books happened, but were actually subversion attempts against the masses. Things are connected, and didn’t quite happen for the reasons we were told.
Some of the overarching champions of the masses that everybody knows being Plato, Jesus, Washington and Kenndy - and the mention of Washington leads us to the second fold in our world’s history, which is the New World Order - as you said, the American enterprise. This is the project to bring about a global sweeping awakening for masses. The American Revolution was the start of it, and the process is ongoing.
>I had a hard time understanding what you meant
I apologize. What you are saying about focus or attention, I used on my self. I posed the question to myself: "Why, in this very moment are you not doing what your imagination and your intellect have deemed good to create?" ( I did this in between typing with you) And I attended to my self for an answer.. and I could feel something and perceive fragments of some deep thoughts...ones that told me to not move etc... but they are not fully conscious so I couldn't tell you the exact thought or the exact feeling. Only that I know they are there, and it is only a matter of time until they surface. Thank you for humoring me though, it has helped.
If he really were a high level insider, then he would be the source to have the least beneficial outlook. I would say that even if he were not, his decision to title himself as such betrays his motivations. If you believed as he claims, that everything in history is planned and controlled, that these figures are all tricks, and that the only axis of conflict is this struggle of aristocracy, you would simply be accepting the masonic model of history as fact. What a relief however, to be told that you are not responsible for yourself but only a victim of this great lie.
If you believed what he said, how could you believe in anything again. This is the tactic of a cult leader. You undermine the foundation of every belief in the mind of an initiate. which in turn destroys the trust they have with their institutions. All men need to believe however, so you default to the cult. You believe the leader or mentor and trust him. He becomes the source of truth. It's likely he is doing this unknowingly or knowingly, but I will reserve judgement on that. It's clear though that such things stated as pure fact do not come from an honest person.
Let me be clear. I despise that symbol. It represents to me the worship of human wisdom and promotes the enslavement of men. A world where the wisest rule, means a world of brutal intellect, where men become bodies of meat and units on a stat sheet. Genocide, enslavement, deception, apathy and chaos. These are the things smart men use to control the masses. What I write earlier is an expression of what I believe is the ideology that move much of the power in the united states.
No - he wasn’t suggesting that everything in history was totally controlled.
But it was reactionary to points where the masses gained traction in becoming aware, and attempts to subvert that.
You’re coming off a little arrogant, my friend. The only things i believe in are the equality of all men, and the law of the jungle
But if I read your posts correctly, you believe that the wisdom of god is what should rule men?
That symbol is the eye of Horus - Horus slew Set and lost his eye in battle, and offered it to his fallen father, Osiris. It represents protection and sacrifice. Horus was a Christ-like figure in ancient egypt ; he contended that the afterlife wasn’t purely for the elite who bought it, but for everybody - i intepret “the afterlife” to be the second birth into consciousness. Its not an evil symbol, but i guess that depends on how you interpret it
I'm sorry, I don't want to be arrogant. I only reacted based on what you have told me. What I've seen myself are statements about events that are made as factual with no evidence. This is a big thing to miss don't you think? If I made one claim and never backed it up, how could I move to others and be accepted? No discussion in those threads about the credibility of the ideas, but only more questions assuming it was true. Why? He is treated like an oracle, which is cultist. I would be interested in what he has read about reactionary coups of popular movements. I've read some things that lead me to think the same.
Now as far as what you believe. I'm glad to hear you can state your beliefs. All men are created equal, but are not equal. This is what gives rise to the temptation for your second belief, to survive the weak by being strong. Animals are slave to this law, but humans beings can think and circumvent it by self-control and create artificial bodies like government that can dramatically reduce the relevance of the law of the jungle. If the strong do survive, who defines the strong? Is it not more accurate to say that that law means that the least moral survives? To be strong, you must do whatever it takes to survive, so you need to be freed from moral constraints tied to ideals not relevant to immediate survival?
>as dependable as physics
Hardly.
All it takes is a contrarian wrench.
I look at the the law of the jungle as one of two sides to order.
Moral laws and governmental laws are all well and good for the moral and law abiding masses - but ‘evil’ has no regard for neither of these ideals; as you put it, ‘evil’ believes you become strong and powerful by throwing morality out the window and doing anything necessary.
To contend with ‘evil’, ‘good’ must look at life through the lense of ‘law of the jungle’, and you must consider your enemies chess moves to not follow the rules, and you must plan accordingly and sometimes act in-step in order to contend.
In other words, the laws written by man are really meaningless. I let the Holy Spirit guide my daily actions (i.e. don’t do anything that i know will harm somebody in some way either directly or indirectly) - but always remember that there are other humans walking the earth whose connection to the Holy Spirit is dead, and neither do they believe in the written laws of man.
Okay, so I'm glad to get to discuss the Osirian cycle with you. So let me just say that I disagree with your interpretation but it could be that both are correct. I think the idea that they represent protection of sacrifice is true, but its only a part of it. Why is it protection and sacrifice? The battle of Set and Horus is outwardly a projection of the solar cycle itself. Light and Darkness. When the sun rises again after being slew by night, the cold and blindness of vulnerable man disappears. This is why protection and sacrifice is associated with Horus, because the sun dies every night but returns to save men.
Now from that you can derive personal meanings and associations in your life. This is the purpose of a religion, but Horus meant also something else inwardly to those responsible for manifesting his image in Egyptian society originally. Light banishes darkness, intellect banishes ignorance. This myth however has much more to it that we can get into. I'd like to know more to about other things you might now about. This is some pretty niche shit after all.
Like, why is Osiris split into 14 pieces exactly?
I believe the HLI because his responses to peoples questions resonated with me - i wasn’t in those threads to ask myself; but i’ve done my homework and found that his answers make a lot of sense.
So, he is either a very smart and pro-active conspiracy theory propagator, which is always a possibility ; or he is truly an arbiter for the light
God rules men regardless of what they believe. Monotheism creates the quest for truth by establishing an objective moral framework for men. This evolves into material science. It also creates the notion of individual rights as subjects of God, not men. I believe men should govern themselves in accordance with a higher truth, I believe that is God and I believe those who do not will be punished for that, but I also believe that in the United States other men should not tell you what to believe.
I interpret mythologies and bible study literally, or always find a way to do so. I always bring it back to the confines of reality.
So i only believe literally that Set was a cruel and harsh pharaoh who treated the masses as slaves and kept them intellectually in the dark, and he dethroned Osiris in order to implement this.
Horus originally sought to execute and de-throne Set out of vengeance for his father ; but then he later realized that he was obligated to awaken the masses and free them.
It is all very literal in my mind - you can represent it with eye balls and suns and moons. But it literally means and represents to me somebody who the masses view as a hero who freed them from physical and mental oppression.
Somebody who put their flesh on the line and their own life in danger to help other people. For no other reason than that little voice in his head urged him to do it. Because, by Law of the Jungle, it makes no sense to do it ; yet, the Holy Spirit (that little voice of reason) triumphed over the Law of the Jungle (Set’s mentality towards life and rulership).
>masses as slaves and kept them intellectually in the dark, and he dethroned Osiris in order to implement this.
I understand. It's a very pragmatic way to view this. I again however would like to indicate that the story is very specific. It is too convenient to wish it away with later developments on a historical tale that had real world context lost to us.
Why did Osiris get locked in a casket? Why did Isis resurrect him with sex magic and give birth a Osiris who was actually Horus? Why is Isis go on a quest to piece Osiris back together?
A little hyperbolic. Human behavior at large today is mostly directed through economic changes. The economy is not random or mysterious and is understood to operate on understood dynamics. I'm not smart about that, but I've read things that are convincing in this regard.
Like altering interest rates has a predictable effect on purchasing power by affecting inflation. However small changes in inflation causes variations in the prices of consumers goods which in turn produces a predictable change in behavior. This, in conjunction with the traditional propaganda, can really cause some changes that are measurable and repeatable. I presume of course. I am still young and trying to learn new things.
I don’t know - i have to read it again and see what populates my mind when i read it - it can be hard to tell when something is just symbolic language (for example, Jesus’ virgin birth) ;
versus, the person who was writing the scriptures or markings being on a lower level intellectually than the people who were acting. For example, writings could have been done by somebody who was the equivalent of a slave in education ; they wrote what they saw, but didn’t understand what they were seeing. I view Genesis in the Bible to be written this way; a slave observing his master (who demands to be called God) ordering things to be done and then approving of them.
I have to sleep now, but i’ll read your follow-up in the morning, and I’ll re-read the specifics of what Isis did and see how it makes me feel
It seems that a difference in belief in God between us is what creates this disagreement. You are inclined to see the story of Genesis as that of a slave observing his master who unjustly claims the title of God. This of course, is the belief of the Gnostic medieval cults. Now of course this view cannot be true because when a slave disobeys his master he is not granted his freedom. Who grants freedom as punishment for disobedience? It can only make sense if they already had freedom and simply broke the rule of Eden. They freely chose to eat from the tree. God ejected man from Eden because he chooses not to destroy our free will. Our moral choice is the one thing God chooses not to control, he limits himself and allows us to reject him. This is hardly the behavior of a slave-master, but more of a father. Actually, it strikes me as how a rebellious teenager who would view their own father, interpreting his discipline as slavery. It's only fitting that those tearing the world apart over who will get to rule over us believe in things like that.
He only talks in vague predictions without evidence.