This general is for the discussion of Marxism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism.
Socialism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is Socialism according to Marx:
>Socialism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Socialism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Whatever anybody says negative about leftist politics, cities will go far left to Libertarian Socialism. I do think small/rural towns will form enclaves in a great balkanization of America. The sins of the father has to be paid; >colonization >exploitation >plundering of natural resources >usurping and impeding people's/nation's self determination
Elijah Smith
Shutup Liberal
Wyatt Williams
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" XDDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
You gotta and a > eg; >t.oopsy binnish benis lover Because this; t.hurrdurr ↑indicates you↑.. so you called yourself brainlet, sweetie. >t.autisimo malfunction
I just don`t think that debating anticoms is constructive in any way, shape or form. They are not interested in debating the merits of the ideology nor its flaws but rather going for the anecdotal evidence and slippery slopes. If not that then its the poisoning of the well fallacy regarding "da joos"
Why do you pretend that perfect summary of Communism is actually a summary of Capitalism? Atleast show some pride in your fucked up ideology, if nothing else.
Jaxson Wright
>implying capitalists work No, they sit on their ass and live off of past gains. You have to go back.
starting, running, and owning a company does not equate not working you dense mother fuckers never seem to understand thinking can be work too. Guess thats because thinking is too hard for you.
Aaron Hill
all white, please show me non white socialist countries that are safe........ oh thats right, you cant.
Angel Collins
>he has the opportunity to study Marx and his works in the original langue >refuses to do this
I own rental properties,its assumed financial risk. I spent years of my life saving and working to buy property. If it goes bad I lose years of my life. Are just magic money makers? NO. I pay taxes, I pay general maintenance, I pay for repairs. I had to work hard and save my money to buy them. If you think all I do is sit on gold and collect money your a fucking idiot.
Cameron Rogers
Commissar is inspecting collective farm...
Commissar: How is production?
Worker: Oh wonderful!
Commissar: Really? How are the potatoes?
Worker: Oh if you could place them in one pile they would reach the foot of God!
Commissar: THIS is a communist country, there is NO God!!
Worker: That’s okay, there are no potatoes...
Benjamin Young
yeah, they are you fucking moron. You have seen any European native compared to a Nigerian right?
You are not representative for the majority of banking,landlords nor stock owners. We don`t give a fuck about your anecdotes, now give up your toothbrush capitalist.
Labor Value theory is so fucking stupid you have to be a very low iq goy or a shill to spouse it
Caleb Stewart
Anecdotes my ass, you dumb mother fuckers. In your system of government I would have been denied my opportunity to do what I have done. I would have to starve with all of the other low IQ commies.
Noah Barnes
You are a representative of nothingness. Quit larping, get a job, quit whining and, let's see now, get fucked.
Kevin Sanchez
Never gets old
Gabriel Hall
Since communism is about not working you thought that the opposite, capitalism, was about working. Is not. Is about supply and demand, free will and enforcing contracts
James Martinez
I would prefer not to go back into working life, the reason why I started studies in a trade school was to avoid employment for the foreseeable 2 years.
Zachary Ross
One time Castro was giving a party speech to a large crowd...
As he was giving his speech, a loud voice in the crowd could be heard saying “Popcorn, peanuts, crackerjack!”
Castro frowned, but continued on with his speech, until again the voice came “Popcorn, peanuts, crackerjack!”
About the fourth time this happened Castro stopped his speech and said “when I find out who’s doing that, I’m going to kick him so hard he lands in Miami”
The entire crowd said “POPCORN, PEANUTS, CRACKERJACK!!!”
Oliver Gonzalez
Here's one of the basic problems with Marxism: Simple-minded ideas given complex names so that simple-minded people are fooled into thinking it's profound knowledge.
In the pic, the "Everybody Else" category on the left was not a single mass, but a very diverse group of people. You had artisans, tradesmen, laborers, shopkeepers, etc. As for farmers, you had tenant farmers who paid rent in cash or crops and you had freeholders who owned their own land, usually as an inducement to settle an area.
Belief that complex societal arrangements can be shoehorned into simplistic categories is why Marxism is fundamentally flawed and doesn't work.
Hunter Cruz
You are describing being at the bottom of the pile here
You are suffering from temporarily embarrassed millionaire syndrome.
>Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. - John Steinbeck
You may not realise it, but you could be a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
Do you plan to someday in the future have more money?
Are you concerned that your taxes are too high, because someday you might pay too much tax.
Do you ride the bus only because this year you can’t afford that luxury car you’re going to have?
Do you live pay cheque to pay cheque like most people just because you haven’t had your lucky break.
You aren’t rich and it’s very unlikely you ever will be. The economic and power systems of this planet are not designed for you to get rich. The American dream doesn’t exist and it never did.
Stop being a temporarily embarrassed millionaire and just be a Socialist.
>Here's one of the basic problems with Marxism: Simple-minded ideas given complex names so that simple-minded people are fooled into thinking it's profound knowledge. Looks like it's marketed for women
Jacob Thompson
Well, socialism / communism won't do any good for you and you know it. You just want to find some excuse for being a whiny tit and something to occupy your lazy mind. Start your own business. If you start preparing now, for example shoveling snow, your business could thrive in just couple months. There's going to be snow this winter. Guy with a shovel could make easy money. Once you run your own business and see how much is taken away from that, you will lose any sympathy for the socialist ideas. Trust me.
You won't learn anything useful from your school either. Waste of time and energy.
Luis Cooper
And yet you defend Capitalism which has failed and caused the deaths, starvation and homelessness of millions.
Why Finnish schools are so good? >BECAUSE OF THE STUDENTS. The school system itself is quite pathetic.
Alexander Nelson
I have learned plenty of new things in school in the past week alone or rather rebuild my knowledge on subjects that I`ve been lacking on since end of high school, particularly chemistry and mathematics.
I have no desire of doing any kind of manual labor job otherwise I would have not applied to study to become laboratory technician/assistant. I don`t have any aspirations to return into private sector either since I already wasted 3 years of my life working for art dealership.
Ayden Jenkins
>Jesus Christ formulated his ideas when Karl Marx and Jefferson weren't wearing even diapers. >we should therefore not admit they had similar ideas
>the highest earning corporations had a maximum tax of 90% >Simple-mindedness at its best again. >Mongoloid thinks he understands US Tax Code Corporations never paid a 90% tax rate. There was an individual tax rate of 90% but because of offsets, carryovers, and shelters, nobody paid that. Back in the late 60's, there were headlines about how 21 people with incomes over $1 million dollars legally paid no taxes which led to the passage of the Alternative Minimum Tax.
Levi Campbell
Neither do you
Juan Wood
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Challenge our ideas, don't sperg out. I did, but you chose to avoid trying to refute me and instead claimed I said things I didn't say. So who's sperging here?
Dylan Cox
We already live in socialism. All your taxes supports the wealthy and keeps wealthy.
Hunter Harris
t. brainlet
Our schools are excellent because we INVESTED in our education and make it FREE for everyone regardless of income.
Our system didn't just magically produce good results out of thin air, we designed it over generations so we pay teachers well, expect them all to have a Masters degree and we provide free meals for everyone.
US system is unequal and only the rich can afford good schools for their kids.
>Why Finnish schools are so good? No nogs. No spics. No beaners.
Dylan Campbell
Apparently you are a female. Your warped logic reveals that to me. Listen, your only change to survive is to lose weight, get a rich man and be a house wife. That provides everything you want now from the government. Just let your man teach your kids about the politics and the world in general.
Samuel Smith
Bullshit. Our system doesn't magically pour intellect to stupid brains. The reason for the good PISA scores is the student material itself. NOT the system.
Anyways. I'm out.
Jonathan Johnson
It’s commonly stated that no one actually paid the full 90%, either because they found tax loopholes or they simply wrote off more costs. This is a bit of a non-sequitur as tax loopholes exist today as well, and nobody pays today’s low top marginal tax rate.
It works fine when jewniggers aren't spending trillions of dollars to sabotage it. Though why I am even engaging with some infant regurgitating Peterson is beyond me.
Hello Mr. Navalny
Connor James
The OP pic couldn't possibly be more subhumanly retarded. Maybe I would be open to socialist views if every single one of their people weren't total brainlets.
Anthony Smith
So what are you guys views on Analytical Marxism.
Nicholas Cruz
Communism is rational. Are we apes seriously going to fight with each other over resources forever? Or could we use our brains and actually plan what we produce so 90% of people don't have shit lives and we also don't kill the planet.
John Hall
>No nogs. No spics. No beaners.
Common myth. Swedish speaking Finns and gypsies who make up 10% of our population in total and generally receive lower result than Finnish speaking Finns in test scores.
>I have been trained to worship the cult of money and I actually believe in the Prosperity Gospel Sounds pretty brainlet to me.
Nathan Young
classic
Lucas Campbell
In Sweden, despite test scores 'plummeting', they have been consistent for Swedish children. You can see Sweden's PISA ranking drop and judge for yourself what's going on.
>Communism is rational. people arent equal. not in their potential or capability. not in their imagination or aspirations. any system that artificially supports the inferior is doomed to failure, they will exponentially be a burden on the productive in society as time marches forward, we are seeing that in the current world order and have seen it in past Communist orders.
Communism will work when we genetically modify and clone an entire species of equal beings.
Joseph Barnes
If you weren't simpleminded you would know you can't judge any tax regime by looking solely at rates, you have to look at rules too. Not only have rates changed but rules also. >tax loopholes exist today as well No they don't and it's not that easy. >In 1985, I could income average. Now I can't. >In 1985, I could offset income with losses from other sources. Now offsets are capped. >In 1985, I could write off interest on personal loans and credit cards. Now I can't. >In 1985, I could write off mortgage interest on an unlimited number of houses. Now I can only write off mortgage interest on two houses. >In 1985, I could claim an unlimited amount of deductions. Now deductions are subject to a phase out. >In 1985, Income from social security, i.e. pension from the gubmint wasn't taxed. Now it can be depending. See now what I mean about how you have to take rules into account? You would know this if you ever had to fill out a US tax form.
Bentley Ramirez
Top earners are largely making their money from capital gains, and those tax rates are much lower.
Nobody has to be equal for communism to work. Communism just ensures all people have access to the necessities of life and the means of production. Equality isn't actually the goal. It's making the means of production work for the needs of humanity instead of profit.
Ryder Moore
Imagine killing hundreds of soviet scum for the safety of your country and its people, only for some of those descendants to be shilling for the very same vermin that wanted to destroy and conquer your lands.
OP is a disgrace to his country and to Simo himself.
It's a cat-and-mouse game. >not putting assets into a trust There's a reason the Big Four (is it still four?) accounting firms get paid the big bucks.
Hunter Gomez
>Top earners are largely making their money from capital gains Short term capital gains (assets held less than a year) is taxed as ordinary income.
Long term capital gains (assets held more than a year) is taxed at a max 15% rate. However, that gain is not subject to adjustment because of inflation. You might wind up paying taxes on inflationary phantom gains.
Dividend paid have a max 15% rate on the personal level, but are also taxed on the corporate level, typically at 35% since it doesn't take much to hit the max corp tax rate. So in reality around 50% of corporate dividends goes to taxes.
You hit the max corp tax rate at around $2 million in profit which covers a lot of small to medium businesses. I reality, corporations don't really pay taxes, their customers do. Corporate taxes are built into the cost of whatever the corporation sells. So it really becomes a stealth VAT.
Are we clear now?
Brody Jackson
>We never fought against an ideology that suppresses freedom, we fought for freedom Simo would have pissed in your sauna.
