Russia

What do you mean by grandfatherdom and landness.

What would forcing a conscript to suck your dick solve? I mean how would that help in combat situation?
Is there a deeper strategic purpose to this or all Russians are degenerate faggots using it as an excuse to express their faggotry without being persecuted?

Caucasians are evolutionarily a more powerful race.

Attached: 1483292438682.jpg (403x604, 51K)

Exactly. It has nothing but negative consequences to your morale and your patriotism.

Russia has had a deep hierarchical divide for hundreds of years, where a small elite ruled a great majority of peasants by iron fist. This same mentality stayed even in communist times.

sorry, I do not think there are words for it in english. Grandfatherdom means that people who have been in the unit for longer have the power to haze the new people. they are called the grandfathers. in some units it works by landness instead, so it is like the region with the most people in the unit haze together. 2 from north versus 3 from siberia means the siberians will haze, for example. These are units where horror stories about people making you say chechnya is cool or writing dagestan on your back come from. but they are very rare in the scheme of things, most of the time it is not run that way, but with grandfathers. and even when it is run by land, it is not always chechnyans that do it, for example, it can also be people from any given normal russian region. So i don't think it's accurate to spread the horror stories that chechnya runs our army or something

Russian soldiers are pimped by their superiors. Your ass is more safe in American prisions than in Russia military.

Ok, fine. But these pics of dudes sucking dicks of their superiors.

What. The. fuck.

books.google.com.pe/books?id=dlO4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT139&lpg=PT139&dq=russian soldiers pimped&source=bl&ots=SIg9dVF2mE&sig=yWH5ydW7vqj5G-TqrwQqhF8kxII&hl=es&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwic17Gz_-_cAhVFlVkKHbnUBb8Q6AEwCHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=russian soldiers pimped&f=false

Attached: 414141.jpg (635x311, 76K)

>Pampered US trannies who cant even be yelled at or the general gets discharged
or
>Abused, hardened and clinically unstable powder kegs who will go off at the first opportunity they see

Attached: 1506626697786.jpg (402x431, 23K)

>Why not the middle road between these two extremes

>sorry, I do not think there are words for it in english. Grandfatherdom
Seniority.

eh, it was not like that for me. i think it is not like that for most people. obviously there are always horror stories, and things were worse after collapse, but they are cracking down from above in the last decade. Obviously I am not trying to defend such things, that is fucked

I was just responding to the OP, though where he said you will be hazed and humiliated by minority groups, which I do not think is true. More likely the minorities get hazed a little extra if they are very minority.

Oh I'm stupid, I even knew this word but did not think to apply it to the situation. Thanks.

Eh, thanks for your answers.

This is /pol, so people typically approach subjects with provocation or "edginess". But I did hope a russian would come by and talk.

Spasiba.

Grandfatherdom = "dedovshchina" for which there is a Wikipedia article

pravdareport.com/society/stories/15-02-2007/87441-army_prostitute-0/

Russia not only has a demoralized national army but its population is aging and slowing down at this rate the amount of fit male population for war will be reduced drastically to even secure strategic near bases like Ukraine, compared in size of human numbers of NATO or the US alone.

And this is kids why Trump bombed the shit out of sandniggers and commies in Syria and they did nothing. The same needs to be done in all the proxy dictators in the baltic and balkan region, same with Iran. The time to fragment Russia into little states needs to come for the greater well of their own people and the end of the nefarious Kremlin mafia.

Attached: 1524705598914.jpg (347x226, 34K)

This is also why service was shortned from 2 years to 1 year to stop the worst of dedovshina.

it's not a problem. i did not read the op as anything offensive, just as a normal Jow Forums-style introduction to talking about a topic. i am going to sleep now, so good night, hopefully other russians will come talk about their time in the army for you too, I appreciate your politeness)

Good night

Attached: 1534343249619s.jpg (250x184, 4K)

yes –a good change, for many reasons. my experience also comes from before this change, but i assume it had a positive effect

American soldiers fight in the ME for the dollar hegemony which benefits all their countrymen, Russian soldiers fought in the ME to secure the income of oligarchs selling your gas and collecting the money in offshore accounts. How do you fucks even cope with that?

Its like Gov in Russia rapes their dignity and people give two shits about it. Are you even aware you have a fake democracy? Or that you are under a Oligarchy run by KGB sociopaths?

Attached: 1499624312055.png (717x424, 526K)

There was a similar thing in the Polish army, although not as extreme.
It stopped when conscription stopped. Forcing people into the army during the peacetime is a way for subhumans to thrive.

seriously im wanting to sleep so i will not respond after this. obviously id prefer if the state served my wishes. afghanistan was a mistake. congratulations? it's not as though this is new news

I don't care about democracy, this is a stupid question

>American soldiers fight in the ME for the dollar hegemony

Lol no, They fight for Israel's yinon plan.

Yes my girlfriend always told me about her father when he did service in Soviet army it was horrible because of the extreme dedovshina in his unit in North kavkaz, keep in mind this was back in early 80s.
But overall i think 2 year service is better but i understand why this change was needed.

>Why should Russian army be feared?

Nukes. That's about it.

In a conventional war with no nukes, as soon as the US Marines landed within Russian territory all these low morale conscripts would fucking desert en masse, wear civilian clothes and go to the nearest US Army patrol to surrender, like it happened with Iraq. And don't get me started on the technology gap, the US Army vs Russia is in technological terms like an Alien civilization vs WWI peasants armed with bayonets.

Attached: 1523538823243.jpg (282x1024, 42K)

killed himself with a AK74

You have been brainwashed by the Soviet conspiracy. Call them Jews, Capitalists, Reptilians, Globalists, Satanists, Pigs... what ever narrative they feed you, you are now a useful idiot and apathetic of western institutions of rule and order.

There is hope my friend., you should care about democracy, you should care about your Oblast and not Moscow or St.Peterburg.

lol how gay do you have to be to actually go through with this? what a bunch of closet faggots

sry gulag fag, we got enough of our own commie fags to put up with.

Attached: DkqM8HyVsAAZm6D.png (666x498, 923K)

It's a domination thing. Just like in prison.

It's hard to understand Russia when you live in a western country, the mentality is completely different.
Russians like strong leaders. If Russia is great then their problems seem smaller. It's easier to starve for the greater good.

It's a remnant of the USSR days. Communist corruption is a bit difficult to fully cleanse away.

They are not wrong, Russians are enemies but Demoncraps are TRAITORS.

Attached: the traitor.jpg (600x800, 133K)

>Pampered US trannies who cant even be yelled at or the general gets discharged
>implying all of that shit hasnt been fixed

Its easy to say this. Russia has very poor regions, those Slav victims are still teens and come from rural towns. The military HQ is the only place they have to sleep and their superiors basically steal them all payment. After a while they flip them and pimp them, they weren't gay. I bet that you under a bunch of bullying inmates on the long run will flip sooner or later, escape or commit suicide.

It sounds weird to you because on the West you can bitch about it and get compensations or a news cover. In Russia police will ask you money to not rat you to your superior.

>file deleted

>the single anomaly vs a general practice
>Bulgaria
Lel

Language barrier Igor, it's not stupid. Today you learned a little something and so did we.

t. burger bro

>Russians like strong leaders. If Russia is great then their problems seem smaller. It's easier to starve for the greater good.
Its a narrative. Just like KGB feed too many generations the dream of "graduating as a Kosmonaut to explore the universe". Its a lie, the cake was always a lie.

Prove me wrong retard. Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Yemen, Iran etc, with no endgame in sight. All Israel's immidiate neighbors. They will literally give $38 BILLION in American taxpayer money away to some smelly middle eastern shithole and that's only the official numbers, and not to mention the military aid. Even though Israel never did anything for America, ever.

nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-military-aid.html

>middle ground
>abused US trannies, hardened and clinically unstable powder kegs that would sooner kill their own countrymen than their enemy combatants

The American people have become aware of all these senseless wars, invasions, regime changes and are unwilling to join the armed forces because of it. Why risk our lives for some shit the elites and NWO want. We need to stay the hell out of the Middle East, it's no wonder we're hated. I'll bet recruitment is at an all time low.

The US is light years ahead technologically of the Russians, that's why they can afford retarded shit like putting trannies and women in the army. A single tranny sitting all comfy on a warm room in the USA could easily wipe out with a drone an entire platoon of Russian soldiers all cold and shitty on their trench in Siberia.

To be honest they cleaned it up a bit in the last 10 years.
t. Proud Russian draft dodger who later moved out because fuck that.

Attached: Self-loathing multiracial cuckolds versus proud White men.jpg (1200x450, 478K)

38 billion taxpayers? ADD IT 2341234 TRILLION. You are so short sighted you can't read and figure it out. The expenditure bill is NOTHING compared to the outcome result. US soldiers went in not to steal oil, not to fight terrorism, but to protect the Dollar liquidity in a critical market of oil. Saudi Arabia wasn't invaded because they sell their barrels in the intentional market for dollars. All the places you named were took by the CIA (minus Iran) and give it back to locals under the only condition to sell for the american fiat, some betrayed and war sparked.

Dollar hegemony benefits the elite, but it also makes the retard that can only flip burgers live under the benefits of the first world nation due its currency power of buying goods.

Well and in lesser extent Freedom.

because they do Incredible shit with the Rookies. One guy was tied up for so long his legs and cock turned necrotic and had to be cut off later.
nytimes.com/2006/08/13/world/europe/13hazing.html

>A sergeant, possibly drunk, meted out punishment to a younger soldier, Pvt. Andrei S. Sychyov, who, like him, was a draftee. Rousted from bed at 3 a.m., Private Sychyov was forced to squat for three and a half hours. When he complained, as the pain worsened, the sergeant stomped on his ankle twice.
The episode might have ended there, an unremarkable instance of an abusive system of discipline known as dedovshchina, or the rule of the grandfathers. But Private Sychyov suffered injuries that resulted in infection, then in the amputation of his legs and genitals and finally in a public scandal.

I think there is a firm line between being hard men and doing pointless psychoshit. Soldiers should form a bond and help each other and not abuse each other for fun.

and the republicans are patriots.
"My people came to me — Dan Coats came to me, some others — they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be."
how's that reality working for (You)?

Attached: Dia2E7wVsAAebjW.jpg large.jpg (780x507, 47K)

>Nukes. That's about it.
True. If anyone wants recent example check out the russian mercs failure in ME.

>protect the Dollar liquidity
I wonder what are you guys smoking there in Peru. Dollar hegemony protects itself quite nicely by just not screwing those who hold those dollars. Others just can't keep up and keep their hands in other people pockets. That's it.

Russian helicopters are neat tho. US main advantage is on communication, cyber attacks and electronics. Does Glossnas even work?

>republicans are da REAL commies!

Some of them like Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio are far-left pro-ANTIFA extremists, so you are right to some extent.

Attached: ANTIFA DNC thugs-01.jpg (1098x1200, 224K)

No, people way smarter than you and me had concluded that the USA is a company. Sure low inflation and open monetary policies led to one global stable currency everybody works with specially in sovereign debt. But it also has the biggest market platform due to Pax Americana secured by the Navy and which recently is backing off regional powers like China to just charge you for passing goods in the middle of the ocean. Not only that but there are key resources that give liquidity to the currency necessary to sustain a fiat no longer backed by gold.

Truste me nigger, for more evil that the Pentagon looks they have always send the boys for the greater good. And in the long run has benefited all the western world. All this wealth shared like never before, look how Syngapore has flourish under the dollar hegemony.

The company main service is the dollar hegemony.

"Dollar hegemony" in third world nations that ultimately amount to nothing compared to western capital. The only exception being Gadaffi's gold dinar plan for Africa.

Over $5.6 TRILLION was spent just on waging war, are you aware how many barrels of oil that would buy from Saudi's at a 2011 max peak of 100$? Normal non saudi oil is at around 60USD right now.

Mere oil doesn't account for the losses of 5.6 Trillion in wartime expenditure you moron. It doesn't pay off, just like your shitty argument.

That was disgusting to read.

But yeah, I agree with you totally. Real men are not made through bullying and outright torture. I dont say you should have a PC softie military education, but unit cohesion needs a more brotherly atmosphere.

Attached: 1532796353860s.jpg (125x121, 2K)

>Over $5.6 TRILLION was spent just on waging war, are you aware how many barrels of oil that would buy from Saudi's at a 2011 max peak of 100$?

Zero if the war has lost. I willl not waste more time with an idiot that cant see the whole picture. Its not ignorance why you dont get, its your brain capability.

Russians are subhuman monkeys

Attached: Screenshot_20180803-180023.jpg (1439x2151, 753K)

Attached: Screenshot_20180803-180740.jpg (1440x2876, 1.01M)

youtube.com/watch?v=fFS3ZV95EoA

I want to have SEX with the Russian Army!

Wonder why Putin doesn't purge faggotry in his army.

This thread is shills trying to cope with the fact that Russia is the only super power left on this planet with a functioning economy and a strong army. They keep circle jerking with propaganda pieces from the 80's and 90's in nastalgia. It is literally the same as the dumb asses who keep posting pictures of Soviet infrastructure collapse from the 90's and claim that it's modern Russia.
Here are some (you)'s.

>Real men are not made through bullying and outright torture
The army needs killers, not "men". And shit like that makes you a killer

Great argument, you just keep regurgitating "dollar hegemony" as if Americans couldn't take care of their own economy without having to invade and destroy other countries over fake claims of MWD.

You keep talking like 6 Trillion is chump change when the GDP of your country is 211.39 Billion lmfao.

Keep pretending that you have any idea what you're talking about, I'll keep laughing @ you. The ME wars were a net loss to everyone involved except removing Israel's enemies and getting a little cheaper oil which they could have sustained without invasion, No bullshit buzzword is going to change that.

Because it doesn't work that way.
First of all Putin doesn't give a shit about things like that, he's an oligarch, he cares about his business.
Second of all it's not the same as pride parades or lgbtqwerty propaganda. In fact, the rapists would be offended to be called gay. For them the guy who gets raped is a faggot. It sound absurd, but that's how it works. Same thing happened in our prison system during the communism.

>Implying being a forced prostitute makes someone into an effective killer

Yeah, killer of themselves, alright.

In Turkey and Afghanistan it's the same way. It's because penetrating and dominating is "male", being submissive and getting stuffed is "female"
basically like this
youtube.com/watch?v=R4k2ZjketOk

Makes you think if Putin was himself a dominating hazer when in army, or even KGB...

you and your reply all can fucking die. God I hate Canadians

KGB was a different world altogether.
The intelligence, the army and the party did not like each other, they often fought for influence.
KGB was completely immoral and straight-up evil, but they were less animalistic, so probably no male rape for him. They valued themselves too much to allow it.

>t. Basedcuck Gaylord II

hazing is an essential military bonding ritual, as long as no one dies it's a must. doesn't matter though, if your annual budget is $100 for food training and housing It doesn't matter even a little how tough they are. Russian army will have mass desertions in a large conflict. Soldiers that aren't paid or supplied can't fight. and they can't genocide their own army now.

one guy who later got assasinated said Putin was a pedo

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3412134/I-wasn-t-ticklish-felt-good-boy-five-described-tummy-kiss-sparked-Putin-paedophile-claims-Russian-president-said-wanted-stroke-like-kitten.html

independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/alexander-litvinenko-murdered-because-he-accused-putin-of-being-a-paedophile-a6824806.html

The problem is, they don't bond.
They're called "grandfathers" because they're the ones that have been there the longest.
Guys who have 3 months left haze the ones that have a year left. This makes each group hate the one before them.
After the whole ordeal the oppressors leave, and the victims become new oppressors.

Ukrainian, obviously.

Here's some facts about Russian army.
>They didn't have socks before 2001, they used rags.
>Their hazing is next level tier, it is like going to a jail shower

hazing is homosexuality, repressed.

when Russia invaded germany and Poland, they even raped Russian women who we're captive.

they just did not give a f
still don't\

Raping is as Russian as Rubles

In Russia, you don't rape anybody, anybody rape you.

How does Russian cum taste like? God Canadians are some of the dumbest pieces of shit out there.
Why do you jerk off so hard to your mental image of Russia while denying reality? Why would a leaf even be so obsessed with Russia?

>Russia is the only super power left on this planet with a functioning economy and a strong army
kys

Attached: russia-population-pyramid-2016.gif (610x425, 57K)

>russia
>economy

Attached: 1533233222022.png (585x560, 202K)

>grandfatherdom
piztets retard

Stories told by refugee seekers . I thought I'd heard everything .

Kill yourself Ivan, truth is a hard pill to swallow

Reminder that most Brit cops have been raped by the 3rd world migrants they're trying to protect.

>t. russian rapebaby