Is individualism genetic in Europeans, or is it a product of the Enlightenment?
If the higher rate of individualism is genetic, what effects did it have before the Enlightenment in making Europe different from the rest of the world?
Is individualism genetic in Europeans, or is it a product of the Enlightenment?
Nicholas Perez
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Cameron Evans
It's something more. Our "souls" are bigger.
James Harris
Enlightment is not property of a country, nation or people.
Enlightment is generally born of an unquiet mind and spirit and so, leads to an unquiet grave.
Enlightment is proof of the brotherhood of men, since it can touch anyone, anywhere, and make those that it touches become akin to brothers.
But I don't expect for Jow Forums to understand that, since it tries really hard to separate people based around creed, sex, religion and geographical space.
Brody Rodriguez
soul envy..... just when you thought you had seen it all.
Logan Adams
It's a product of the the enlightenment but also white guilt. External threat increases in-group cohesion. Whites have been thought that THEY are the threat, so they do the opposite of cohere. They will bend over backward to NOT be seen as cohesive or ethnocentric. Then there sense of group identity gets transferred onto arbitrary stuff like ideology.
Gavin Torres
>Enlightment
It's 'enlightenment' you unenlightened buffoon
Jordan Campbell
(((meme flag)))
show your true face, coward
Daniel Myers
Enlightenment was more about legal changes then a cultural ones.
Hudson Davis
genetic
Ian Morgan
product of higher disgust sensitivity, which was genetically selected for in environments with an abundance of food.
Less hunger meant pickier eaters, and pickier eaters had higher disgust sensitivity, and higher disgust sensitive is the strongest predictor of conservative temperaments.
Disgust sensitivity is the corner stone of categorization and therefore, at it's maximum, leads to genetic predisposition towards individualism
Thomas Flores
I'm not sure what 'abundance of food' you're referring to. North-West Europe, which is the most individualistic, is cold and inhospitable, and was especially so in the Ice Age.
Camden Cox
they didn't have to be swimming in food
they only had to be less hungry than everyone else
Adrian Cruz
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Joshua Hall
Try "benighted"
Josiah Gray
Then why is literally everywhere in the world more conservative then Europe and North America.
William Roberts
what do you mean by "rest of the world", from a genetic perspective
and what do you mean by more conservative
Jonathan Sanchez
>muh Enlightenment
>posts painting from a movement that was a reaction against the Enlightenment
I hate you
Mason Gonzalez
I mean how the Middle East and Africa are homogeneous and how they kill gays there, even though they have less food.
I don’t see the correlation between food abundance and conservatism. Especially also considering China is communist.
John Perez
>Middle East and Africa are homogeneous and how they kill gays there
that's not individualism, that's pretty much the exact opposite
>considering China is communist
China has a lot of ethnic groups. And the penetration of buddhism, a radically individualistic ideology that is centered around the concept of self, correlates pretty well with the ethnic populations that historically innovated agriculture.
Benjamin Hill
Don't go patting yourself on the back too quickly, eurofaggot. All the European individualists emigrated to the Americas long ago.
Daniel Garcia
The enlightenment... was a mistake. The biggest mistake of the West, one could say.
Individualism is a suicidal game. Being atomized isn't what makes white people superior to anyone.
Gabriel Clark
individualism the result of satiation. At first it results in social structure and order. But on a long enough time scale it devolves into hedonism and solipsism.
hard times create strong men and good times create weak men and all that jazz
Nolan Barnes
I don't believe they were more hungry than anyone else.
Also individualists usually have *lower* levels of disgust, thus their giving sanction to faggotry and drug abuse.
Libertarians have the lowest levels of disgust for example.
Brody Evans
I don't believe they were less hungry.
I expect they were hungrier.
Carson Hill
maybe there's a problem with how we're defining individualism
I don't think individuals can give sanction, that's a role of an authoritarian centralist ideology. Islam tends to revolve around the concept of religion as government while Christianity is grounded in the belief that religion is inherently separated from religion (manifest in the belief that weak men cannot be virtuous).
Also, I think you're conflating the idea of faggotry as being inherently disgusting enough to elicit a response that violates the sovereignty of the individuals involved in it. That, in a historical context, is a more recent phenomena but much more common in Islam.
I doubt the the low levels of disgust that is typical of liberals was a trait of fitness within the period that religions, in the domain of magical thinking which cuts across the seven main electors of disgust, were formed and initially spread. They likely arose out of societies built around stricter social norms, and not those very norms became so strongly focused on individualism that it has enabled an unprecedented expression of liberalism.
Camden Sullivan
>religion is inherently separated from religion
*separated from government
Nathaniel Nelson
>Is individualism genetic in Europeans
Yes. Bipartite manorialism during the middle ages is largely the cause.
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>Many commenters on this matter like to blame Jewish influence for these shifts in social attitudes, and it is true that Ashkenazi Jews commonly hold and have promoted progressive agendas. But what these commenters ignore is this: why do people listen? Or more to the point, why have some people (and peoples) embraced these views and not others? A promoted agenda is only as good as the traction it gains. Clearly, the trend towards universalism has been the purview of Northwestern European societies almost exclusively. If Jewish influence has had any role, it is only in the form of a rush in a much larger prevailing current.
>Indeed, Jews are a vanishingly small portion of the population in many of the most progressive countries, such as the Scandinavian ones. Sweden for example is known for being a foremost champion of progressive causes.
Jackson Clark
>Libertarians have the lowest levels of disgust for example
This is based on terrible definitions that seem to switch most right wing libertarian into the conservative category if they have conservative political attitudes. For example it's entirely consistent for libertarians to be anti-abortion, yet that would be defined as being more conservative.
Most right wing libertarians just don't want the state doing much influencing socially and want it to be more influenced by the greater society. It's true we may not have the same level of sexual disgust as a common conservative but right libertarians specifically seem to be quite high in the other areas, especially if they are minarchists.
Matthew Martinez
>The enlightenment... was a mistake
No... it wasn't. Sorry, we're not going back to the year 10, Mohammad, no matter how much you want it to be so.
Austin Wilson
Individualism is genetic in Europeans. Everything we act out as a genetic component to it.
Its a false to suggest something is purely environmental.
Asher Anderson
>Is individualism genetic in Europeans
Never considered this before but it makes sense
Gabriel Mitchell
Polymorphisms of two loci at the oxytocin receptor gene in populations of Africa, Asia and South Europe
The oxytocin (OT) system is known to be implicated in the regulation of complex social behavior, such as empathy, affiliated behavior and parenting, and response to social stress
According to the data for the rs53576 polymorphism of the OXTR gene in 12 nations, the nations with higher frequency of A allele (Japan, China, Korea) are more collectivistic in comparison with those having higher frequency of G allele (USA, UK, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden, Germany, Finland) but at the same time the last ones seem to be more predisposed to major depressive disorder [17]. Although, these data should be accepted with cautious. Same authors demonstrated recently that AA and GG carriers of OXTR rs53576 demonstrated different brain activity, using functional magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), in reaction to racial ingroup and outgroup faces that received painful or non-painful stimulations, and suggested that these differences are linked to implicit attitude and altruistic motivation
Ian Baker
Genetic Influences on Political Ideologies: Twin Analyses of 19 Measures of Political Ideologies from Five Democracies and Genome-Wide Findings from Three Populations
Almost forty years ago, evidence from large studies of adult twins and their relatives suggested that between 30-60% of the variance in social and political attitudes could be explained by genetic influences. However, these findings have not been widely accepted or incorporated into the dominant paradigms that explain the etiology of political ideology.
Matthew King
>you have to pick between enlightenment and islam
Sargon, fuck off. Both are anti-life in their own ways.
Jace Allen
absolutely the beginning of the end
Gabriel Thomas
This is wrong. People in northern Europe used to die like flies during famines. For example look at the numbers here: