What is the appeal in temporarily inducing schizophrenia and psychosis for recreational purposes?

You're a fucking moron.
Quit spouting off like a neurologist you clearly don't know shit about psilocybin and it's properties

I don't skim. I read literature with an open mind. Have you read the Bardo Thodol? It is highly symbolic and has little to do with funerary practices as its name suggests.

What would be a goal? Just curious

because it’s fun. that’s why.
it’s fun to pretend that it’s a mystical experience, also, i don’t think you know as much as you profess to. have you ever done dmt?

Psychedelics have shaped me into the NatSoc I am today. Psychedelics should only be allowed for people with a certain IQ and mental fortitude. You will never fully appreciate the beauty and brutality of nature until you have done psychedelics.

Enlighten me, then, to your vast knowledge of psilocybin, itself a prodrug for the real chemical psilocin.

If you'd have taken enough and not a pussy "woah colors are brighter" dose you wouldn't be asking this question.

Not only have I done DMT but I have extracted it from mimosa hostilis root bark powder, which is harder to acquire nowadays than it used to be in the past.

some questions about your life you would like answering, an aspect of yourself you would like to explore

You're making a lot of assumptions based on very little. You should approach this topic with an open mind and not some sort of psychedelic elitism. I wouldn't be asking this question if I've only done meager doses, since the schizophrenic/psychotic side effects don't even appear on low doses but high ones.

Well it allows you to better see how your own brain operates

I dunno ask the adrenochroming fiends. Similar schizo effect.

I would utilize it to work on artistic endeavors back in the day. I really never took a high enough dosage to go deep soul searching

My life and my job are heavily oriented around abstract thought and creative solutions to problems, and nothing loosens up the mind like LSD.
Plus, it's an extremely weird state to be in, in every sense of the word, and I like weird things.

redpill me on the valve and uses of these drugs

Getting Schizophrenia is the true red pill

>calling the mystical qualities of a proper psychedelic experience psychotic/schizophrenic
psychedelic virgin detected

In the psychological sense, I am assuming you are speaking about. Yes, you can understand a great deal in the subjective sense, of you yourself. But there is no knowledge which you can replicate and turn into numerical data.

I am more interested in the neurology aspect, like how hallucinations are formed. This is done more aptly by studying the effects of schizophrenia.

Honestly wonder the same thing. Grew up with two druggies for parents and I never understood the appeal. The mere thought of inhibiting my rationality genuinely frightens me. Why would I ever want to make myself dumber?

I've done other psychedelics before
I only every had bad tense experiences on mushrooms

>be me, want to smell colors
>ate a small sheet of acid
>slammed down half a bottle of vodka
>felt really dizzy, vomited everywhere
>got back up, covered in barf
>spent an hour staring at my shoes
>shoes were super detailed
>saw all of the threads in the cloth
>nothing was really different though
So what gives? I've tried this like 3 times, once without alcohol. Where are all the cool colors and shit? Where's the life changing experience? I just become a hyper-focused slug. Either LSD is the most overrated garbage in the world or I'm already living in hell and I'm just used to it.

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i really dont care about ooga booga orientalism and beat generation occultism. i'll drop shrooms and read the bible.

It's because people with schizophrenia can't turn off their delusions. It's like asking why people see the appeal of lucid dreaming if those in a coma can't do shit.

What's the most you've done of either? Serious question user.

Mannn in the good old days we just drink beers until we're all wasted, now THAT was a time.

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Mixing drug is a sure fire way of showing how retarded you are.
Also, dont know about lsd, but on shrooms the city I was in seemd to be coated hair. And everything was a tad extra blue and self glowing.

>small sheet
>slammed down half a bottle of vodka
great, so you killed the effects of the small dose you took before you even began to feel it.
try doing actual reserach before you mess with potent substances

You had shit acid.

All the symptoms point to a psychotic/schizophrenic episode. The neurology is essentially the same as well, the same neurotransmitter activity.

I can argue the mystical properties which you assign it come from the fact that it is a temporary experience, and the mysticism is learned or perhaps remembered after a return to normal consciousness, when the brain has time to reflect. This stage, the comedown, is coincidentally (or perhaps not) where the most life-changing philosophies are reported. The peak is often times ineffable.

Get better acid and don't use anything else with it.

Also you won't see colors and shit that aren't there. It distorts and makes everything around you more vibrant. The more you take the more the intense the distortions. You might be able to hallucinate at ubsurd doses but I've never tried it. If you really want to hallininate try DMT instead.

I don't know. There must be some reason spirituality and psychedelics have been mixed together for most of human history though, right?
Better than that pedophile cult of the Catholic church at least.

You probably had some sort of research chemical and not LSD. You got bunked, friendo.

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Get out of here, Sam Harris. Come back when you've broken through.

What was your yield? Did you order powdered rootbark? What color were the crystals you harvested?

Hallucinogens are best used for microdosing, as a nootropic.
Tripping is a self-indulgent detachment and alteration of the senses. Also, too much egodeath from it can make you a selfless cuck.

The Bible has an interesting take when compared to the Bardo on the topic of death. A psychedelic experience is essentially death of the ego, a symbolic death of sorts, which the Bardo treats as just another stage in the death/rebirth cycle. But the Bible finalizes death as an ultimate goal, one which you must prepare for sufficiently or be punished for in the form of eternal damnation. How do you personally view death, from the Christian Bible perspective, in the midst of a psychedelic experience?

I've been advised under the table to look into trying them for treatment resistant depression, so I'm planning a trip to Amsterdam to try high doses of them.

The scientific evidence on them working to treat mental illness is just overwhelming at this point, but 68' er fuck heads ruined it for normal people and now they're associated with long haired shirtless deadshits sitting in gutters spaced out or religious retards thinking they'll turn you into Satan.

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>What was your yield?
Approximately 3-4 grams the first time, less the next couple of times.

>Did you order powdered rootbark?
Yes.

>What color were the crystals you harvested?
Initially they were off-white but turned slightly orange after oxidation. I recrystalized my first yield with n-heptane and the resulted yield was nearly translucent.

>What is the appeal
It's fun

>They are recreational for a majority of the public that uses them.
No they're not. The majority of the public you hear talking about them use them in a recreational manner. The majority who actually use them do not use them in a recreational manner.
>What is the appeal in confusing your brain and marketing it off as a deep, learned experience?
Your ego confuses your brain. When your ego is removed you are no longer confused. Depending on the life you've lived reality can then become your friend or a great beast.
If the meme flag is correct and you're natsoc then I would suggest laying off the strict moralizing because your numbers are low and once even educated adults see that they're joining a group of goody-two-shoes then they'll reconsider. Then again, to prevent people from seeing that you're frauds or how your views aren't logical you would need to ban anything that would cause them to see otherwise.

Carry on, I guess.

>temporarily inducing schizophrenia and psychosis
that's not what they do at all, opinion discarded

Also, for anybody who has tried mushrooms how many grams did you take to get much benefit?

I was wanting to try 2 or 3 on a first dose, but I saw one study where they gave guy 20 which by what measurements I've seen is blasting into outer space so I'm not so sure.

well i learned that jesus really is willing to forgive just about anything if you arent a conniving douche about it

Man in the good old days we just sip beers until we're all wasted haha... now THAT was a time.

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Its fun to drastically distort your perception every once in a while.

Shit that's pretty good. You must've been able to break through with that amount easily, not all at once of course, but on several occasions. Have you tried Salvia and if so broken through on that? I've had dmt that I extracted from acacia confusa which was slightly yellow to yellow crystals on several occasions, but I've never broken through on dmt. I've been past the point of total amnesia with salvia a shit ton of times though.

Jesus christ you stoners are retarded.
How is natsoc a fraud or illogical?

I saw another world and once I came back I started building a bridge to it.

To revitalize a depressed stagnant mind

You need to smoke weed while you do it not get drunk

>'for recreational purposes'
u answered ur own question; 2 each his own

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20 grams wet = 2 grams dry

If you consider the amount that would join who aren't completely white then you could understand the hypocrisy. Best not to do DNA tests and just judge by looks because your breeding pool would be tainted. Also, in order to be the superior race one would have to remove the Asians. You've already lost. The Nazis were even easier to defeat than the Asians in WWII. Sad, really.

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Alcohol counteracts the effects of LSD

You are brain damaged if you think anything of what you just said made any sense or proved anything illogical about natsoc.

Nothing like schizophrenia

I took shrooms and acid a couple times. Always got extremely depressed but came out on the other side of it with a refreshed perspective on life. The experience itself was pretty miserable but the outcome was good because I realized the people I was hanging out with were fucking losers. Only a couple months after I severed ties with them I heard they started doing meth.

I am really conservative and absolutely hate drugs, especially weed (because its so fucking common and accepted and "non harmful")

But when I was younger, I took shrooms (half eighth cause I didnt want to fucking really hallucinate) and it was actually one of the best experiences of my life. I cant explain it, but I really wish I could feel and see the way I did for that night every single day. Absolutely amazing.

Shit that ended fucking me up bad was weed. Smoked every single day from like 17 to 23. Pretty much fucked my brain up because of it.

Memorable experiences without lasting negative consequences are fun for human beings.

I use weed as an accelerator and beer as the brakes

Not necessarily. The damage isn't permanent and you will recover. Be glad that you weren't smoking synthetic cannabinoid a user. That shit would or could have left you permanently fucked.

Ive been fucked from it for last 10 years. Pretty sure it aint going away at this point. Unfortunately, a lot probably was synthetic... City weed from strangers not a good choice young me.

>reducing valve
Is this some pseudoscience magic crystal shit? What valve and how does one reduce it?

>Smoked every single day from like 17 to 23.
Ya blew it. Weed is best when you buy a small amount, smoke once or twice a day for a week or so then go several months without it.
You end up smoking retarded amounts just to get a normal high when you let your tolerance build up that much and the brain fog starts to set in.
A little bit here and there can open some doors of perception, but too much and you find yourself making stupid decisions.

It's just what boomer hippies thought was intuitive, so they repeat the analogy like it's a fact

I used to get cross faded all the time when I was younger but anytime I try it now I just feel sick and pass out.

You've obviously never tried schizophrenia

ffs psychedelics are just fun

I watched a couple friends smoke themselves stupid with synthetic weed. Then they had me smoke some salvia and I felt like a drooling retard for about five minutes.

I believe it, I'm in my late twenties and I've been doing all this stuff less frequently over the years, without really trying to. It just gets less interesting with repetition I think. Would usually rather do other things with the time.

True in my case. If I could change one thing in my life, that I know for a fact would alter my current existence unimaginably in positive direction it would be to never have smoke weed, or to have smoked it so little that it never became a part of my life that I could even remember 10 years later.

That's what I'm thinking.

I've had a psilocybing mushroom experience before in nature. It was a lot of fun. But god damn, there's so much supernatural /x/-tier bullshit in the "shroom community."

You are right its terrifying, but if you survive it you cannot see the world in the same way again, its valuable in that way.

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shutup faggot

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It is nothing like schizophrenia. Schizophrenia relates to dopamine and glutamate while hallucinogens relate to serotonin. Retard.

Its not something to be taken lightly, there's a reason why this shit isn't addictive, iv done mexican cubensis (psylocibin) 3 times in my life and i don't feel any impulse to go back to it. It can change your life for ever, it can deconstruct everything you think you know, its like death, its terrifying.

Some people have fun on it, iv never understood this, last time I took it I thought the only one that existed was my consciousness and all experiences prior to my mushroom trip were nothing more but distant dreams, there were no parents, no friends, no nothing it was as if I imagined all of it in my head. It felt as though there was only me alone in infinity, it broke me, I cried I gave up on everything, afterwards i felt a great deal of liberation but it changed my perception of life drastically, the whole world seemed quite ugly to me, I just played video games to distract myself from these thoughts.

I went in trying to find "the truth" and I realised there was no truth, only chaos, your thoughts shape your reality.

Your first time doing mushrooms don't do more than two dried grams. Start easy and see how you like it. My first time I did 1.5 dried grams and it was more than enough for me. I was flying, seeing colors, and laughing my ass off for six hours.

I tried mushrooms a few times. I didn't really think it was giving me a huge spiritual breakthrough, but it did change my perception of things. Like a tree in my buddy's backyard that I've seen almost everyday for years looked like a fucking squirrel. I still see it as that way now, it's crazy. I saw shapes in clouds. The only thing that really fucked with me was lights. Lights at nighttime seemed to move. For example a streetlight up the street kept messing with me because I kept thinking it was a car driving down the street. A building in a field had these security lights on the side of it, and as I was talking with my buddy I mentioned that it was weird that they had lights that would sweep back an forth like the cameras in Metal Gear Solid. He laughed and was like "wtf are you talking about they're not moving". I looked again and freaked out, because I was 100% sure they were sweeping back and forth.

Shit sorry to hear that. I spent a good 8 years addicted to that shit. It really fucks up everything from sleep, eating, functioning like a normal human, even smoking real weed does nothing when your receptors get fucked by it. Absolute poison.
If you were to have broken through on Salvia you would've been in for a wild ride. Most people don't their first time, but when they do they literally trip the fuck out of their minds. Not like pcp where they go punching through fences and eating people's lungs, but in their mind they are someplace else entirely for five minutes. Then they're left picking up the pieces thinking, "what the fuck just happened?"

>Some people have fun on it, iv never understood this, last time I took it I thought the only one that existed was my consciousness and all experiences prior to my mushroom trip were nothing more but distant dreams, there were no parents, no friends, no nothing it was as if I imagined all of it in my head. It felt as though there was only me alone in infinity, it broke me, I cried I gave up on everything, afterwards i felt a great deal of liberation but it changed my perception of life drastically, the whole world seemed quite ugly to me, I just played video games to distract myself from these thoughts.
That same impression can be received in either a joyful or a terrible/nihilistic way, which I think is basically the difference between a good and bad trip.

There is no such thing as temporarily induced skizophrenia.

>Retard
There are numerous dopaminergic hallucinogens, big brain genius.

Is it weird that a number of dopaminergic hallucinogens hit the Sigma receptor? Examples including DXM, PCP, ketamine, methamphetamine (does cause hallucinations especially with chronic use), cocaine (similar to meth though not as severe) just to name a few.

We are animals and our brain and bodies are hardwired for survival. The brain consumes more caloried than any other organ in the body. Each portion of the brain has a dedicated function and these are switched on and off according to stimuli.

Humans are also intelligent and spiritual beings. We can question our own existence, the nature of reality, whether we have a soul, and whether we are limited by our biological nature from seeing into higher dimensions. Psychedelics switch off inhibitors in the brain, allowing more of it to function at once and for it's respective sections to send and receive information to and from sections with which it otherwise would not communicate. The result is seeing reality very differently. What is seen was always there, but our rigid perception, which is necessary for survival, filters out that information.

Is is now mainstream science that psychedelics probably influenced the development of the hominid brain. While the altered state is temporary, the epigenetic changes were likely passed on to offspring. The difference is not in the gene sequence, but gene expression.

bigthink.com/paul-ratner/is-there-evidence-that-magic-mushrooms-played-a-role-in-human-evolution

to get high, desu

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>tips fedora

Have you ever tried psychedelics? "Temporarily induced schizophrenia" is the best way to describe it.

>why would anyone want to inhibit their rational thought
I personally don't like the very mathematical cold universe where everything is quantifiable. It's a very nihilistic existence where you're just a cog in a machine especially in modern human societies. As I grew older I got more and more disappointed at the everfading sense of wonder. I wanted magic to be real and my existence to have meaning.
Mushrooms are a periodic wind down for me that make me feel life is worth living. It's like a vacation from the autistic systemic life and a trip into pure emotion that sticks around with you. Nothing feels better in life.
Mushrooms also have a "presence" to it. Despite having people to care about and people who care about me I feel alone in my head but there's something that understands and accompanies me within the shrooms. It's like a gods to religious people I gather.

I'm very conservative and preservatory over my country though. Foreigners don't belong with my people and homosexuals are degenerate.

lel
>says the nederdraad where psychedelics are legal